Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:04:43

what do u think about sizing of the cbet ?
is it a mistake that i wanna cbet this a bit higher like 2/3 - 3/4

what do u think about sizing of the cbet ?
is it a mistake that i wanna cbet this a bit higher like 2/3 - 3/4

Jeff was mixing in some of these half pot cbets, i think mostly on drier boards. To answer your question, yes, I prefer a bigger cbet with my whole range here. I like to cbet 5/6th pot generally vs my opponents to set up bigger turn/river pots and just generally make pots bigger in position. This exploitable though because I'm putting in more $ with a weaker range than I might need to, but until someone exploits it (mostly by c/r me wider) then I keep doing it.

Can you explain the turn cbet at around 4:55 with A4dd? If we haven't seen villain c/c flop much, it probably means he has Qx or 9x most of the time here, so shouldn't we just check back the turn for a free card vs. that range?

Can you explain the turn cbet at around 4:55 with A4dd? If we haven't seen villain c/c flop much, it probably means he has Qx or 9x most of the time here, so shouldn't we just check back the turn for a free card vs. that range?

too many gutshots/OESDs to check there imo and we have some fold equity over better hands. even when he calls, we're close to breaking even given our equity.

too many gutshots/OESDs to check there imo and we have some fold equity over better hands. even when he calls, we're close to breaking even given our equity.

What better hands do we have fold equity vs.?

Also, it seems to me that villain would be c/ring most gutshots and OESDs on the flop. your thoughts?

What better hands do we have fold equity vs.?

Also, it seems to me that villain would be c/ring most gutshots and OESDs on the flop. your thoughts?

possible but we don't know, and it's also complicated by the fact that we only bet half pot on the flop, maybe he just wants to take his 3:1 and assumes his pair outs are good very often (which is definitely true for JT and similar). Even if he checkraises "most" of them, there are still a lot of combinations compared to other holdings. We have fold equity over 5x. We have one of the best semibluffing hands we can have and the risk of facing a c/r on the turn is almost zero, so I see little reason to not semibluff here, especially given that it's going to be a little uncomfortable bluff catching the river if we check behind the turn.

Thanks for your replies. Is it standard/good to c/c flop with 5x in villain's spot on this board?

Thanks for your replies. Is it standard/good to c/c flop with 5x in villain's spot on this board?

yea its pretty standard, obviously can put you in difficult spots vs aggro guys sometimes

Time Link to 00:17:05

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Imo Jeff's c/r otf is bad because he'll never get him off a Qx and he probably 4bets 88+ so it's hard to fold out any better hands. What's more if it's possible to do so why not make in on the turn? We can win more money plus get some when he's bluffing. We saw him double barreling 66 on Q99 in 3bet pot so if we want to c/r turn is better imo.

Btw. great argument about having bet/shipping range on the flop in that spot.

Hi guys, one question: it appears that you are using a mac plus holdem manager? how does this work or is it a different HUD? thanks.

Time Link to 00:07:25

could You explain why jamming this river is better?

when we x/c this flop our range looks like AK AJ AT JJ TT, 88 ? propably we will bet this flop w/88 to take it down.

Turn: 3c -> when we check call it = AK AJ AT JJ, if we x/c flop w/88 he expect us to fold this turn, right ?
R:3s : against our percived range JJ-TT, AK AJ AT 66 = 60%EQ

so EV(check) = 0.6 * 158 = +94USD

EV(jam) -> x*(EV)fold + (1-x)*(EV)call

EV(fold) = 158
EV(call) = 420 * 0% - 131 = -131USD

0= 158x + (1-x) (-131)

x=you need 45% FE to breakeven. good ?

JJ-TT,AKs,AJs-ATs,AKo,AJo-ATo = 53 combos + some slowplays (99, + sometimes KQ) propably close to .. lets say 58 combos?

Jeffrey1983 is going to fold AK AJ maybe JJ (half of a time) and AT (lets say 3/4 of the time)

AK + AJ = 32 combos + 4 combos AT and 3 combos JJ = 39 combos

he is going to fold 39/58.

lets do a EV calcs

EV= 39/58 * 158 + 19/58 * -131 = 106.24 - 42 = +64.24

EV(jam) < EV(check) even if we add those AT and JJ combos into folding rage EV will be ~75 = still lower.

So -> according to EV check is better than bet, maybe You have some metagame things why jamming this river sounds sexy ?

ps. sorry for my english

Time Link to 00:14:45

the 9-6 hand Wilt, when hero gets c/r on 10-10-8 ss, you mentioned possibly using it to fight back with as it wasnt good enough to call with and maybe making it 48.

Just wondering what the worst kinda value hand you would do this with, and would you be doing it with oesd's or say the nut flush draw vs this particular villain??? or just calling the c/r with the intention of possibly taking the pot away from villain on later streets if he checks as a kind of semi-bluff or pure bluff on the river.

just wondering as iv'e just relized im very pretty much never 3betting in these spots ever, even if i had say AA or 10-x im just flatting, and with draws im just flatting aswell then betting alot of turns if checked to..do you think its pretty important to have a 3betting range in these spots? and if so why?

Thanks

Steve

could You explain why jamming this river is better?

when we x/c this flop our range looks like AK AJ AT JJ TT, 88 ? propably we will bet this flop w/88 to take it down.

Turn: 3c -> when we check call it = AK AJ AT JJ, if we x/c flop w/88 he expect us to fold this turn, right ?
R:3s : against our percived range JJ-TT, AK AJ AT 66 = 60%EQ

so EV(check) = 0.6 * 158 = +94USD

EV(jam) -> x*(EV)fold + (1-x)*(EV)call

EV(fold) = 158
EV(call) = 420 * 0% - 131 = -131USD

0= 158x + (1-x) (-131)

x=you need 45% FE to breakeven. good ?

JJ-TT,AKs,AJs-ATs,AKo,AJo-ATo = 53 combos + some slowplays (99, + sometimes KQ) propably close to .. lets say 58 combos?

Jeffrey1983 is going to fold AK AJ maybe JJ (half of a time) and AT (lets say 3/4 of the time)

AK + AJ = 32 combos + 4 combos AT and 3 combos JJ = 39 combos

he is going to fold 39/58.

lets do a EV calcs

EV= 39/58 * 158 + 19/58 * -131 = 106.24 - 42 = +64.24

EV(jam) < EV(check) even if we add those AT and JJ combos into folding rage EV will be ~75 = still lower.

So -> according to EV check is better than bet, maybe You have some metagame things why jamming this river sounds sexy ?

ps. sorry for my english

Sorry it took a while for me to respond. Good work, I agree.

the 9-6 hand Wilt, when hero gets c/r on 10-10-8 ss, you mentioned possibly using it to fight back with as it wasnt good enough to call with and maybe making it 48.

Just wondering what the worst kinda value hand you would do this with, and would you be doing it with oesd's or say the nut flush draw vs this particular villain??? or just calling the c/r with the intention of possibly taking the pot away from villain on later streets if he checks as a kind of semi-bluff or pure bluff on the river.

just wondering as iv'e just relized im very pretty much never 3betting in these spots ever, even if i had say AA or 10-x im just flatting, and with draws im just flatting aswell then betting alot of turns if checked to..do you think its pretty important to have a 3betting range in these spots? and if so why?

Thanks

Steve

Hey Steve, great question as always. I do think vs some opponent's its important to have a "fight-back" range on this board. It could be anything from the draws you mentioned to Tx to use to fight back with. The major considerations I'd be using for which hands to fight back would be how I expect him to view the 3bet and how he plays various turns. You get some guys who seem to bet the turn very often, and vs them I'm not too keen on floating in these spots when I'm going to have a tough turn decision. If they are betting the turn every time and checkraising every kind of gutter then sure you could call flop and raise turn and make some more money, but in practice it's tough to know exactly. Raising the flop can play a little easier vs medium strength opponents. It gets tougher vs very skilled opponents who realize that many players' fight back range on this board is mega polarized and be willing to just take the fold equity and stick it in with J9 or similar.

If the guy plays straight up on the turn then I like floating better.

Nice 1 Wilt cheers, great questions just got so many of em haha

Nice 1 Wilt cheers, great questions just got so many of em haha

That's how you learn though. Knowing the right questions to ask is a huge deal, and you always ask very well thought out and intelligent questions. It says a lot about your potential to succeed.

yea cheers Wilt, i'll get there in the end

Wilt, I made this post on 2+2 the other day in relation to a hand I was watching Jeffrey1983 play the Other night
Can you forward this link on to him and get his thoughts/get him to post back too it?
And what he was holding?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/2-4-hunl-analysis-correct-way-off-please-help-regs-1153188/

Or can you review the hand/proposed play yourself?

Cheers,

Ivee9

i'll try to find him and let him know, its been a while