77joblo77
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Wow that was a great video and very refreshing too. Each time I hear about the awesome poker relationship you guys had when you started out I am so jealous! Where are my Krantz? Ansky?...
I mean I couldn't ask for anything more if I could find this kind of relationship with smart and ambitious full time poker players. I feel like it is very difficult to find especially when you are a micro stakes player like myself. I don't feel like a micro stakes player but the bottom line is: I am. I'm very ambitious and my game has improved so much but I'm still down there. I don't blame higher level players to ignore guys like me...the sad truth is I'd probably do the same in their spot.
All this to say if there are some of you out there who recognize themselves in what I have just written, contact me and we will start what could be the next group of poker prodigies.
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Would love to see you go through some of these drills.
+2. I find the hardest thing for me is sticking to some kind of structure for learning. I'm always trying to watch 3 different video series, read 2 different books, work on my mental game, review hands, etc. So instead of really doing a good job of working at one thing at a time I'm doing a little of this and a little of that.
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ade1124
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+2. I find the hardest thing for me is sticking to some kind of structure for learning. I'm always trying to watch 3 different video series, read 2 different books, work on my mental game, review hands, etc. So instead of really doing a good job of working at one thing at a time I'm doing a little of this and a little of that.
This is me, so true, a training series on how to train would have been invaluable to me. +1 to you going through these drills.
If I want to focus on one skill say 3 betting or isolating is there a simple way to search for relevant videos?
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MayContainNuts
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One question on the hand reading game. Fine you can take 10 random showdown hands and try to chisel a range street by street for villain but surely what we actually need to do is observe their play over a whole replayed session.
Then you have a more holistic understanding of a their play, of any game dynamics that influence their range and also you can develop solid reads and add them to your notes.
Otherwise everything is in isolation.
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Do you think that you should estimating your hand vs villain's range or your hand vs one particular hand in villain's range?
Also when you are doing these should you set yourself some kind of timer so you won't use 5 minutes figuring out your equity?
vs his range. you could set a timer but i would do that as a means of measuring your progress as you continue to drill yourself. see how much quicker you can do it as you do more and more. but i would not worry about using too much time -- the time it takes is the time it takes, you have to go at your own speed.
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One question on the hand reading game. Fine you can take 10 random showdown hands and try to chisel a range street by street for villain but surely what we actually need to do is observe their play over a whole replayed session.
Then you have a more holistic understanding of a their play, of any game dynamics that influence their range and also you can develop solid reads and add them to your notes.
Otherwise everything is in isolation.
the point is to drill yourself in the process of hand reading, so you can apply that process in-game to any situation. observing an entire session is another skill entirely
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This is me, so true, a training series on how to train would have been invaluable to me. +1 to you going through these drills.
If I want to focus on one skill say 3 betting or isolating is there a simple way to search for relevant videos?
Yeah I think an interesting idea would be for a video series would be having different coaches talk about their schedules as far as playing and practicing, kind of like the Blueprint series. Not sure if this would work though, but it could probably at least provide some ideas.
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HomeyG30
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Really enjoyed the video. I think your take on neural connections, modules, etc. is right on target for developing intuition at the tables. That's why videos are still the best method for a beginning or intermediate player to learn a wide array of concepts, drawing connections between those concepts, and recognizing when they actually apply to a given situation at the table. Videos are the fastest and surest way to get BREADTH of material. I know DC vids were for me when I was getting started. I still passively watch some videos on my iphone while walking, taking the train/bus, going to bed, etc. Nothing wrong with that.
Glad you talked about Recording and reviewing video/audio of your own sessions. That's a great idea for identifying leaks in your thought process. If you're not sure what your leaks are or what spots you're having trouble with, two or three should become obvious when you review yourself talking. Then you can zero in on plugging those very specific leaks for the next week or so of your training and play:
-solve problems: ask a question and then use ur HEM db and EV calcs to find the answer, make a notecard of your findings/solutions, then review that notecard before every session you play the next week.....turn the solution into a skill of unconscious competence ala Jared Tendler
-make all of your drilling that week centered around that leak:
----filter the hand-reading game for that specific situation or the specific line the villain takes
----grind pokerstove to master your equity in these specific situations, tweaking the variables (your two holecards, the villain's range width or composition, theboard texture) to see how ur equity changes
----flopzilla villain's range/board in that specific situation
You mention that EV calcs are more labor-intensive than the other drills. Certainly true if doing them on pen and paper, but not necessarily true if ur using Excel/openoffice calc and you have a few hands prepared to analyze in the same category/decision area (which will use the exact same EV formula).....that way after you do the first EV calc, you can do a bunch more in a span of minutes (when you tweak the variables or move on to the next similar hand.
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HomeyG30
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I think it would be awesome to do a video on live practicing at least with each one of the 3 first topics (A, B and C). It can get a little confusing at first, specially the B and C. Please, please do it...
I can tell you that a video course specifically on these drills is already being produced. I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to say more here on DC, but the three drills you mention will receive a very heavy emphasis as imo they are the core and can be implemented almost daily. G as well as others not mentioned in the OP will be added, but E, F, and much of H will not be included as many others have done a great job of covering these topics in depth already.
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HomeyG30
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Do you think that you should estimating your hand vs villain's range or your hand vs one particular hand in villain's range?
Also when you are doing these should you set yourself some kind of timer so you won't use 5 minutes figuring out your equity?
Agree with krantz's response, definitely vs. a range. The only exception would be if you are very new to basic equities, then first drilling hand vs. hand equities would be a key building block, given that when you later get to estimating hand vs. range equity, it will essentially be just an overall average of all the different hand vs. hand equities.
For drilling hand vs. hand equities, there are a couple iphone apps like PokerCruncher equity trainer & quizzer that are solid, as well as a kindle book called "Texas Holdem Flash Cards" by K. Lenart.
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MrMahone
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Amazing video. I have been a deuces cracked,bfp and cr user for several years and I would put this video in to my top 10. This opened my eyes in different ways and I like the way Krantz is explaining while still beeing funny. You should def, start going to canada and get back in the game I am sure you get there in no time.
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MyKQ
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Very nice video. I must start doing some of those drills as "warmups" for each session.
I do some of those (mostly A, B, C and H), but way too seldom and without any real methodology. Now I just have to get up and start doing my drills !!!
Being a "serious recreational" player, I don't have 2 hours to spare every day for the drills, but a few hours every week with a schedule to follow will certainly be way better than nothing..
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KeysorSoze
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@Homey and others
Do you have a excel sheet with EV calcs you could share? I'm looking to set up a wide range of calcs for various situations, if someone's already done that and would like to share, that would be awesome. If not; then what videos/articles/books/threads would you guys recommend to get such EV calcs?
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HomeyG30
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@Homey and others
Do you have a excel sheet with EV calcs you could share? I'm looking to set up a wide range of calcs for various situations, if someone's already done that and would like to share, that would be awesome. If not; then what videos/articles/books/threads would you guys recommend to get such EV calcs?
Here are the two most basic and most common ones:
EV of a call: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IZPTAIRV
EV of a bet or raise (AI): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UP3Z2MIJ
-this can be used in any situation where you're shoving (3bet/5bet pre, raise turn AI, b/3b flop, bet-bet-bet AI, or when you're betting the river
-"Villain's call size" is how much additional he has to call (for example if he bets 10 and you raise to 30, he still owes 20).
Each row represents an EV calc for one HH.
For EV(call), its the most basic ev calc we always do. Just enter in the bet size you're facing, the current pot size (before the bet), and your equity (if on river, how often is your hand good?). Enter nothing into column A.....the formula is already entered in and it will automatically calculate you EV. There are a couple samples done already in rows 2 and 3
If you're facing a raise, then the bet size is how much you still owe, and the current pot size is the previous pot size + your original bet size. For example, if you bet 80 into 100 and get raised to 300: you owe 220 more ("bet size") and the current pot is 180 (80 + 100).
EV(Bet or raise) is the standard fold equity equation, although it can be used for a number of different situations (not just semi-bluffing spots). For example, maybe you made a thin value/protection b/3b shove oop on flop with AKo on AT9ss, or preflop you restole/5b shove TT vs. the CO, or you made a thin river value bet (but need to compare to EV of checking).
FE = fold equity
Pot size we steal = current pot size before we bet or raise
Equity vs. Calling range = our hand's equity vs. Only the portion of his range he bet/calls or check/calls (exclude his bet/fold hands or check/fold hands)
Cost to shove = how much additional money we are putting into the pot (our bet size or our raise size)
Villain's call size = how much additional money must he put in (if you bet 50 on the river, just enter 50; if he bet 100 and you raise to 300, enter 200.)
"1-FE" is a formula already entered in for hands/rows 1 thru 10, as is "EV="
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JimmyTheGent
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I can tell you that a video course specifically on these drills is already being produced. I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to say more here on DC, but the three drills you mention will receive a very heavy emphasis as imo they are the core and can be implemented almost daily. G as well as others not mentioned in the OP will be added, but E, F, and much of H will not be included as many others have done a great job of covering these topics in depth already.
Do you have any idea when the series will come out and what the name will be, so I can keep an eye out for it.
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grandcule
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This is so very true. I am currently doing some self improvement techniques and programs and am watching some seminars from David DeAngelo and in his deep inner game and man transformation series he talks specifically about this. Basically, what we need to do is make the outcome that we want inevitable. And we make it so that we force ourselves to do something every day for 40-60 or 90 days that we KNOW will push us to that goal we set. After 40.60 or 90 (depending on a person) days it will become a routine and we will not have to force ourselves to do it.
Listening to Krantz now saying it, it seems to me that either he is a natural when it comes to this, or he also read some books and watched some stuff, and he most likely understood it, and is using the techniques and that is why he is where he is in life, and more specifically in terms of poker success.
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I can tell you that a video course specifically on these drills is already being produced. I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to say more here on DC, but the three drills you mention will receive a very heavy emphasis as imo they are the core and can be implemented almost daily. G as well as others not mentioned in the OP will be added, but E, F, and much of H will not be included as many others have done a great job of covering these topics in depth already.
Is there any more news on the video course, i.e. is it out yet
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