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Thanks for the review !!
Sorry that I did not mention that but the first hand in the HUD viewer was not for analysis but for notes taking. The turn check was a missclick as I was preparing the recording. It is interesting though because the shove was intentional for value due to the nature of the turn.
Great vid! Love the reasoning you give for shoving in the last hand, that's i spot i would probably just give up because i wouldn't analyse like you did. Brilliant call on the high pair with a heart.
Keep up great work ![]()
hmm i play on ongame too but havent seen euro tables, whats up with that?
Time Link to 00:12:31
Hi CrackMonkey, I thought this was a pretty educational hand with the KJ on 8c4c4h flop on table 1.
1. I completely agree that against a player thinking in ranges that we rep nothing. I like to raise these types of flops more against fish and "Live" thinking players because I believe in their mind they can think, "Oh, he could have A8 or 99, or slowplayed AA" because they themselves make these incorrect plays, would you agree with that?
2. If you were hero here with 56 of diamonds, or JT of clubs, would you raise the flop anyhow, or just float for the reason we rep nothing?
3. What do you think villains calling range should be to a flop raise here? How about a 3-bet range for value, or a bluff?
-Thanks.
hmm i play on ongame too but havent seen euro tables, whats up with that?
This is a french Ongame skin. We can only play between french for the moment.
This is a french Ongame skin. We can only play between french for the moment.
ah ok
If we had QJ (open ender) do you like betting 3 streets as a bluff here?
I probably wouldn't be 3 betting QJ against in these positions against this player preflop here very often, though after seeing him call preflop with 69s I might change my mind. If I did 3 bet QJ here, I would probably cbet the flop and give up on that turn card. The 7 is going to give him a lot of pair + draws and he's probably not going to fold any A here, so even though we do have the double gutter, I'm not sure we're getting him to fold enough to make the semi-bluff profitable. I'm definitely not jamming this river as a bluff
Thanks for the review !!
Sorry that I did not mention that but the first hand in the HUD viewer was not for analysis but for notes taking. The turn check was a missclick as I was preparing the recording. It is interesting though because the shove was intentional for value due to the nature of the turn.
Oops.
As played though, if you misclick check the turn, it's better to turn your hand into a bluff catcher than try to check/jam and get value from worse.
Great vid! Love the reasoning you give for shoving in the last hand, that's i spot i would probably just give up because i wouldn't analyse like you did. Brilliant call on the high pair with a heart.
Keep up great work
Thank you.
It's one of those spots where you have a really good idea of what villain's range is preflop, then later streets confirm that range while narrowing it down a bit more by allowing you to exclude some hands that villain probably wouldn't play the flop in the manner that he did.
What's really important is being able to come up with a solid read, then have the courage and conviction to go with it and jam your stack in. If you lose, figure out what went wrong, if anything, and learn from it. How many times have you nailed an opponent's hand almost exactly, but lost because you didn't follow through with a bluff, or missed out on some value by checking back a river?
Hi CrackMonkey, I thought this was a pretty educational hand with the KJ on 8c4c4h flop on table 1.
1. I completely agree that against a player thinking in ranges that we rep nothing. I like to raise these types of flops more against fish and "Live" thinking players because I believe in their mind they can think, "Oh, he could have A8 or 99, or slowplayed AA" because they themselves make these incorrect plays, would you agree with that?
Depends on the type of player I guess. Some players are way too fit or fold, and some can't lay down any pair. Some players may think the way you've described, but you're probably more likely to sell some sort of slow play by calling flop and raising a turn cbet, at least at the smaller stakes. I do definitely agree that weaker players will tend to project their own game onto you take a line that they take as well, despite the fact that your range might drastically differ from theirs.
2. If you were hero here with 56 of diamonds, or JT of clubs, would you raise the flop anyhow, or just float for the reason we rep nothing?
I would just fold 56 diamonds given the clubs and the fact that the board is already paired. JT clubs I would just call because I expect villain to check/fold the turn a fair number of times, and I can profitably raise a lot of turn barrels, especially on "good barreling cards".
3. What do you think villains calling range should be to a flop raise here? How about a 3-bet range for value, or a bluff?
I prefer 3 betting with most made hands as I expect villain to show up with a lot of draws, and some random 8x here if I get raised when I cbet this board. I would just call my 55-77 and 8x type hands, along with some AK, AQ that are still ahead of pure bluffs. This is all villain dependent though. How I play this against a player that is raising 20% of cbets is different than how I play against someone who raises 2%.
Great advice CrackMonkey, thank you for the time.
Great advice CrackMonkey, thank you for the time.
You're welcome.
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Dont you think AK is in his range? I know its hard for him to call the flop with AK but like you said maybe he can call and then see what we decides to do in the turn, specially given that he has position on us
Dont you think AK is in his range? I know its hard for him to call the flop with AK but like you said maybe he can call and then see what we decides to do in the turn, specially given that he has position on us
No I think you'll see a lot more cold 4 bets with AK than calls here. I think someone who does cold call the 3 bet here with AK is calling because they'd rather try to flop a pair than get stacks in preflop and probably are not planning to continue when they miss. If he can ever have AK on the turn, I think it's a small enough % of the time that it doesn't affect the profitability of barreling off.
i agree that the best play is to shove, just thought maybe we had to put at least one combination of ak on his range.
one thing i was also thinking is if we know that we may get called on the turn by a hand with a high flush draw, cant we make the turn bet smaller so that the river shove doesnt give our opponent such good odds. if any non hearted card comes on the river we want our opponent to have a really hard time calling our bet.
i agree that the best play is to shove, just thought maybe we had to put at least one combination of ak on his range.
one thing i was also thinking is if we know that we may get called on the turn by a hand with a high flush draw, cant we make the turn bet smaller so that the river shove doesnt give our opponent such good odds. if any non hearted card comes on the river we want our opponent to have a really hard time calling our bet.
Even when villain is getting almost 3:1 on the call like in this hand, I still don't think he's going to call with the types of hands that we expect him to get to the river with. You could bet the turn here a little smaller, but I wouldn't bet much less than half pot. The reason villain is calling on the turn is because he thinks that while there is a really good chance he is behind, he still has a way to win the pot ( flush ). Once the river comes a non-heart, all he's going to think is that he's behind with no more cards to help him out. Yes, you are giving him good odds to call on the river, but he also knows that you know that, which just makes your line look even stronger.
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Would you ever be floating this 844s flop and what kind of hands would you choose to do it with?
Time Link to 00:53:41
If villain's range is 99-JJ with a heart and KQ,AQ he will fold 33% of the time and with a 1/2 pot bet we need 33% FE but we're not sure if he would always flat 99, TT, JJ preflop(he might sometimes 4-bet or fold) and when we add only a few combos of slowplays our bet comes -EV, thus I think it's a check on the river.
Board: 4h3hQcAhKc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 0.00% 0.00% 0.00% { 6d6c }
MP3 100.00% 100.00% 0.00% { JJ, KdKh, KhKs, KhKc, QdQs, KhQh, AdQh, AsQh, AcQh, KdQh, KhQd, KhQs, KhQc, KsQh, KcQh }
thats 17 combos total. If Villian has only JJ (not 99;TT) in his range and fold it to a river shove he folds 6 out of 17 combos wich is 35,3% so the shove its slightly +EV
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