Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by KasinoKrime (Micro/Small Stakes)

Vidoe details shows NLHE not PLO for anyone that cares.

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OMG who is this dude playing at this vid?! He is so sick!

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What do you think about 4betting more when deep against aggro 3betters?

I dont feel super good about it 100bb deep, but once we are 150-200 or more deep then there is a little more room to maneuver

What do you think about 4betting more when deep against aggro 3betters?

I dont feel super good about it 100bb deep, but once we are 150-200 or more deep then there is a little more room to maneuver

I like it a lot actually. It allows you to take the initiative back in the hand, and especially deep, people often don't want to 4b even their most premium hands. It forces Villains to play ABC against you post flop, because since the pot is bigger now, they generally won't be donking out with a balanced range, nor can they c/r you light.

I normally like to 4b hands that have a smoother equity distribution, so that if I choose to check back instead of c-bet, I'm more likely to pick up some equity on later streets. This mostly includes bigger suited broadways/rundowns, and some other the more premium big paired hands.

Great vid!

Recommend learning HU then 6max or vice versa?
Whats the etiqutte around quitting someone when you dont have a good match up, or does it matter?

You mentioned people arent balancing their ranges - should we bother to balance ours?

I always have a lot of questions hehe

Hi SirSpider -

Thanks for the questions, and for checking out the vid! I'll do my best to answer your questions.

Choosing 6max or HU is honestly a matter of preference, and I can't really tell you which one is better suited for you. I've had students who began learning PLO from 6max, but then realized their styles were more tailored for HU, so they decided to stick with that. HU has more variance and can be more tilt inducing, so if you're bankroll is small or you tilt easily, I would generally advise you to stick with 6max.

Many people have different opinions in regards to quitting etiquette. One of the reasons I stopped playing HU was because of the excessive hit-and-running I was incurring, and it can be a little frustrating when you're adhering to solid etiquette against your opponents, but they are not. Maybe others can offer their opinions on this, but generally I give someone a 10-15 minute notice before I'm about to quit. I think that's considered enough notice. Sitting down, taking a stack and leaving is kind of lame imo, but it's certainly part of the game. If you play HU, this will definitely happen to you.

In regards to balancing your range, I think it's a lot more important HU than it is in 6max, since you're developing a history with your opponents and they're probably paying much more attention to your bet sizing with specific hands you're playing in comparison to 6max. I think balancing is important, but I think more importantly you should focus your energy on figuring out the exploitable tendencies of your opponents, and their perception of you. What kind of boards have they seen you bet pot on? When you went to showdown, how much did he see you bet for value? Have you been c/r'ing him a lot? Have you c/r'd and went to showdown? If so, what kind of hand did he see you show up with? These kinds of things are very useful. For example, if he saw you value bet 2/3 pot with the nut flush on the river a few hands ago, you should probably bet 2/3 pot with a bluff in a similar situation sometime later in the match.

Hopefully this makes sense. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!


John

Would you mind taking a second to discuss bet sizing.

specifically about betting pot vs betting less than pot

also, my tendency is to bet like 2/3 pot as a default, while foukus bets 5/6 pot almost always... is this just stylistic.. does it matter?

how about betting half pot sometimes?

Micro SNGs play much different then the cash game? I know there should be differences, but is it two seperate games entirely?

You talked briefly about min-raising short stackers, this is to prevent getting pot committed versus them? I see short stackers all the time, its heavily prevalent in the games nowadays. Should you be more aggressive versus them pre-flop or not? Most seem to stack off very light....

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Is it -ev to call here and fold no flush card as opposed to shove? It saves money when you miss, and here because its backdoor you might get paid, but on average dont get paid on the river.

Would you mind taking a second to discuss bet sizing.

specifically about betting pot vs betting less than pot

also, my tendency is to bet like 2/3 pot as a default, while foukus bets 5/6 pot almost always... is this just stylistic.. does it matter?

how about betting half pot sometimes?

Hi LQ -

Thanks for the questions. I think betting 2/3 is fine during HU, and generally in single raised pots I like to bet the same size regardless of board texture for the most part (for the purpose of not giving anything away). That being said, if you notice someone peeling the flop with a wide range and then folding a ton to some aggression on the turn, then you should bet bigger on the flop so there's more dead money to collect when you take it down on later streets. Against aggressive opponents, betting smaller either to induce or fold cheaply when they c/r is an effective strategy as well. I've noticed that in general, since PLO is such a multi street game, the best players base their decisions off of what kind of situations they're creating on later streets for themselves, so always keep that in the back of your head.

6max and HU are different in this regard. In 6max, I basically always c-bet full pot in HU pots for a few different reasons. First, it discourages my opponents from playing back at me (which they're more likely to do in HU pots than multi-way). It makes it more expensive for them to bluff raise me, and when they flat call, it makes defining their ranges easier for me (most of the time it means they're drawing, but they don't want to raise me because since I've cbet pot, they think I'm strong, so they don't want to get their money in bad). In 3 or 4 way pots, I tend to not cbet full pot with bluffs, because with the extra opponents in the pot, you get more fold equity. Players will give you more credit if they see you cbet into two or more players, so you don't need to bet as much for it to be profitable/effective. Plus, the extra player in the pot will keep them from getting out of line. But if I flop strong on wet boards I'll still bet full pot regardless of HU or MW. Players flop more equity on wet boards, so I want to charge them full price for either drawing or getting the money in against me.

Betting half pot sometimes is fine, as long as you're doing it for a reason and not just to "mix it up". For example, a situation where betting half pot might get in you into trouble is when it induces action when you're not particularly thrilled to induce action when you hold something medium strength. For example, let's say your'e 100bb deep. You open QQ** on the BTN and get called by an aggressive Villain. Flop is 662r, he checks, and you decide to bet half pot to both widen his calling range and perhaps induce a c/r, but once he c/r's, it's kind of a gross spot because of the threat of future bets.

Does this help? It's kind of a bad example, I know, but I think you get the point. Let me know if you have any other questions.


JB

Micro SNGs play much different then the cash game? I know there should be differences, but is it two seperate games entirely?

You talked briefly about min-raising short stackers, this is to prevent getting pot committed versus them? I see short stackers all the time, its heavily prevalent in the games nowadays. Should you be more aggressive versus them pre-flop or not? Most seem to stack off very light....

Hi SirSpider -

Good questions. Yes, sng's play much differently than cash games for many different reasons, but mostly because of the # of BB's is generally much higher in cash than in SNG's. The strategies necessary for crushing are entirely different for each game type.

Min raising or opening 2.5x against short stackers is optimal for several reasons. First, if you're opening with something marginal and they 3b you, you can get away for a cheaper price without committing yourself. Additionally, if they call you pre flop, you will probably only get one shot at c-bet bluffing (because their stack is smaller, you won't be able to barrel), so you want to be able to do it for a small amount with the intention of not forcing them to stack off as light (if you're bluffing that is). fwiw cb bluffing half pot'ish against short stackers is fine.

There's many categories of short stackers (nits, LP, aggros), but generally the types of hands you want to be aggressive with against short stackers are AA** and KK**, and good QQ** hands. Bigger rundowns work fine as well, but broadways don't play well against a short stackers getting it in range (much like against a nitty 3b'ing range from a full stacker). Go into propokertools and run BBBB against AA**, KK**, and BBBB. It's not pretty. Against aggressive short stackers QQ** plays ok, but against nitty short stackers even good QQ** hands have poor equity.

I'll generally minraise any hand that has reasonable smooth equity distribution against a short stacker to keep the SPR more in my favor, because the value in rundowns (hands that are smooth in nature) comes from flopping some equity a higher percentage of the time, so I'm basically just looking to get a piece of the flop and get it in, or check back in the hopes of improving.

Is it -ev to call here and fold no flush card as opposed to shove? It saves money when you miss, and here because its backdoor you might get paid, but on average dont get paid on the river.

Ya, looking back at the hand, I think calling is better. It's a close spot, but my line there depends on how barrely Villain has been up to this point. The reason I felt shipping was fine was if he ever folds there, it's going to be profitable for us, but like Juho said, I doubt he is give that if he has any piece of the board he's still calling.

One reason I don't like calling is that if he has spades, a set, or some of our two pair outs, then it's -ev for us. Either way it's a very close spot.

so sick, I love hu PLO, and KK is awesome teacher, dling!

I appreciate all the insight!!

so sick, I love hu PLO, and KK is awesome teacher, dling!

I concur.

great video guys.

Awesome, I've been wanting to try HUPLO for a while now.

Great video KasinoKrime,

Is it an idea to make a video series for starting HU PLO players? It would really be the first in its kind!

What do you think about 4betting more when deep against aggro 3betters?

I dont feel super good about it 100bb deep, but once we are 150-200 or more deep then there is a little more room to maneuver

I like the antonius adjustment of click-back 4betting light 3betters when deep, this works well in 6m too

good vid and nice finglish

good vid and nice finglish

Thanks!

Please more of these style of videos thanks!

more vids pls, i like!

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when you say you can cr and barrel turn. would you be bet calling it off on the turn unimproved? or if in this case we pick up an extra gut shot is it enough equity to bet call?

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with opponents hand here on the turn. if he is checking should it be to check raise since we will often bet Q9 or a set on the flop. with this is mind should he be happy to get it in on the turn?

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The guy you PTRed here is the student, not the coach.

The gradient of his graph has switched around so if anything it's a testament to KasinoKrime's coaching ability.

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This graph is of the student. This video came out 8 months ago and that graph has totally turned around, this video must be sick good!

This graph is of the student. This video came out 8 months ago and that graph has totally turned around, this video must be sick good!

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