Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:07:13

Wilt with regard to the J-Q when vil c/r flop and barrels with Q-9...on the river if you are villain and you had a legitimate value hand such as a flopped btm set or turned straight...you kinda know that your range is heavily weighted towards busted draws...would you be betting like 5/6th pot on the river or is this too big in your opinion?

Do we want ep 3?

Its not as if we are gonna say no - Aaron
if the footage is there - do it.

If not - find us some sick WoT footage from your HU dungeon.
sick 666 post imo

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Time Link to 00:38:13

in the hand where hero calls villains 3bet with J-Q..when discussing what villain reps if he bombs the river you said i think 2 pair +, overpairs and air...sounds fair to me...thing is if thats the case and Villain had say K-K do you think it could be more + EV to check the river rather than to bet?? im not sure..but i suppose id like it if the board was slightly wetter so hero could try and turn something into a bluff or bet a missed draw himself...just wonderd what you thought about that line?

Last hand, are we checking turn to fold or call a river bet?
Because it seems like checking back turn is better than betting only insofar in getting information from villain's hand when he decides to either bet or check river.

It seems to me we should be betting turn 100% in order to fold out a chop or Ace high unless we are already decided what to do facing a river bet (i.e, he will bluff river alot so we will call river bet, he will be value betting majority of the time on rivers so we should fold to river bet).

Time Link to 00:31:21

U didnt discuss about the hand on the left.
Do you agree with your students line to bet otr?what worse hand are he hoping to call ?

Time Link to 00:34:22

i didnt understand how are u gonna use the info to adjust when he checkes back KK,AA on the turn(you said in the future we would reconsider his value range on the turn,in terms of bluffcatching)?Also , do you think he balances on that spot ?

Wilt with regard to the J-Q when vil c/r flop and barrels with Q-9...on the river if you are villain and you had a legitimate value hand such as a flopped btm set or turned straight...you kinda know that your range is heavily weighted towards busted draws...would you be betting like 5/6th pot on the river or is this too big in your opinion?

absolutely yes. He represents way more value combos by betting smaller here, maybe like 380 into 580 or something, plus he gets a better price on his bluff. His bet size is nice when two tough players play each other though of he does have a hand like KJ because the sizing looks more polarized and he can rep so many busted draws.

in the hand where hero calls villains 3bet with J-Q..when discussing what villain reps if he bombs the river you said i think 2 pair +, overpairs and air...sounds fair to me...thing is if thats the case and Villain had say K-K do you think it could be more + EV to check the river rather than to bet?? im not sure..but i suppose id like it if the board was slightly wetter so hero could try and turn something into a bluff or bet a missed draw himself...just wonderd what you thought about that line?

Checking value hands on the river in 3b pots is something that is very difficult to pull off successfully from an overall gameplan perspective. On one hand, it's nice to have some hands on certain board textures where you can "value check" and pick off worse value bets + busted draws, but on the other hand it's such a huge loss when villain has a hand they would have called with and instead checks behind. Like you mentioned, this board is probably not the texture to do it on, but it could be possible that other boards are. Either way if I wanted to do this, I would rather do it with a hand like KJ instead of KK because there would be more Jx combos he could click call with and I wouldn't want him to fail at value betting when he should. But to be clear, I think the stars really have to align well and so many assumptions have to hold true in order for checking strong value hands on the river in 3bet pots to be better than betting yourself...and keep in mind that even if you're right this time, you'll have to be more aware of what your river value range looks like in the future in these types of spots (more air). It might not matter vs this opponent or many others, but I just want to make sure you are thinking of all the angles.

thanks for the detailed replys as usual wilt apreciated

Last hand, are we checking turn to fold or call a river bet?
Because it seems like checking back turn is better than betting only insofar in getting information from villain's hand when he decides to either bet or check river.

It seems to me we should be betting turn 100% in order to fold out a chop or Ace high unless we are already decided what to do facing a river bet (i.e, he will bluff river alot so we will call river bet, he will be value betting majority of the time on rivers so we should fold to river bet).

i think it's a case where he literally doesn't fold any better hands on the turn, and it's hard to know how many hands he calls turn to then fold river if we want to go for 2 streets (really small sizing to try to get him to fold draws on turn or call turn/fold river with A hi). K high is the best hand a lot, and it's true we could bet to protect our equity, i'm just not confident that bet turn/bet river or bet turn/check river is better than simply trying to get to showdown and potentially bluff catching rivers.

i dont think it's a prerequisite to know for sure what we're doing to a river bet here as you kind of indicate. I think figuring it out based on bet sizing and timing on river has some merit. Most of his value c/r range on flop should be willing to shove river (i think) when we check behind turn, so maybe potentially calling smaller bets and folding to a shove with our K high. It seems unlikely that if he has A high he bluffs with it on the river, but it seems not so unlikely that he might c/c with it on the turn (assuming most of his A hi that c/r has the flush draw with it).

It's a really weird/tough spot and depending on how you shift your assumptions, lots of different lines could be best.

U didnt discuss about the hand on the left.
Do you agree with your students line to bet otr?what worse hand are he hoping to call ?

A high or backdoor flushes looks like about all. I dont think it's unreasonable for villain to get to the river with lots of A highs, but I do this the river bet size was too big in general. I think he should go for closer to 60% pot or so. If you want to chk this river, i won't complain too much because the bet is thin, but just remember that we do have a whole load of busted draws here that we can be barreling with, so it's not always the worst thing in the world to go a little thinner for value.

i didnt understand how are u gonna use the info to adjust when he checkes back KK,AA on the turn(you said in the future we would reconsider his value range on the turn,in terms of bluffcatching)?Also , do you think he balances on that spot ?

yea basically he checked a hand that was an automatic turn value bet on that board texture, so when he does bet in the similar spot in the future, he should be more weighted toward air/semibluffs and we can therefore bluffcatch thinner.

I think I should have also pointed out that his bet sizing on the river makes him look a bit more polarized. against some bad regs, a slightly smaller bet is going to be some hand like QT JT a whole lot and therefore we can probably fold to this line for a bet size of like 265 on the river. When he bombs it, I take out many of those badly played 9x and Tx hands and give him more of the nutty type hands like TT and QJ (obv reducing combos severely given turn check).

To answer our questin about whether or not we think he balances this, the answer is definitely no given how unbalanced he is in so many other spots, he just simply doesn't seem like the type of player that cares anything about balancing. If he did want to have some made hands in a c/c range here, KK would be one of the last ones I'd choose.

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Aaron thanks for the replies they were helpful a lot.
As for the last hand fix me if i am wrong) : since we are the 4bettor we can rep a wider range of value hands (actually all overpairs JJ+) and even our semibluffs are AK,AQ .Villain can not have these hands in his range because he 5bets pretty light(his range looks like draws) ...so my question is if we can rep any of these hands(after CALLING the flop c/r)[On the flop how would you play with JJ-AA????] and shove the turn?obviously he will not call with anything worse but he will fold his equity share + he can fold some Ahigh FD's ...

Aaron thanks for the replies they were helpful a lot.
As for the last hand fix me if i am wrong) : since we are the 4bettor we can rep a wider range of value hands (actually all overpairs JJ+) and even our semibluffs are AK,AQ .Villain can not have these hands in his range because he 5bets pretty light(his range looks like draws) ...so my question is if we can rep any of these hands(after CALLING the flop c/r)[On the flop how would you play with JJ-AA????] and shove the turn?obviously he will not call with anything worse but he will fold his equity share + he can fold some Ahigh FD's ...

Yea we can definitely rep way more value hands than he can...and I think shoving the turn is definitely +EV. I'm not as convinced about him folding A high flush draw but it's hard to know how many combos that comprises. Should he fold A high flush draw? absolutely. Will he? ehhhhh I dunno man.

It definitely could be the case that shoving the turn is way better than checking the turn depending on our assumptions about how he plays certain hands. We will have 6 outs a ton when we shove too so that helps. If your statements above are accurate about how HE plays, I definitely like shoving the turn (especially the part about him expecting us to both bet/call flop AND "value" shove AK/AQ turn)

i just talked to a friend and i think the best play on that hand is to bet just like 1/4th pot and make him fold all his junk and just realize that he wont fold A high (if he has it).

i just talked to a friend and i think the best play on that hand is to bet just like 1/4th pot and make him fold all his junk and just realize that he wont fold A high (if he has it).

Well probably he doesnt have a lot of Ahigh for c/r flop (only Ahigh FD i believe)
How do you think a villain like that perceives an 1/4th pot bet?Dont u think he will attack often by raising AI with his draws / junk ( i dont think he has much junk in his range {he flated 4bet and probably doesnt raise flop with junk}

Well probably he doesnt have a lot of Ahigh for c/r flop (only Ahigh FD i believe)
How do you think a villain like that perceives an 1/4th pot bet?Dont u think he will attack often by raising AI with his draws / junk ( i dont think he has much junk in his range {he flated 4bet and probably doesnt raise flop with junk}

nah i dont think so, not when we can rep so many full houses and he could be drawing dead. in other spots i think he could attack weak bets but not this spot

I think he can have tons of junk like J9o, 97o, QJo, flush draws, etc. that's what i'm referring to. His value range for c/r this flop is extremely narrow (remember thats why we bet/called with K high)

This guy was going bananas 3betting and rarely folding to 4bets.

if we are confindent that he wont raise with his draws because of the board ,then an 1/4 pot bet is >> than a shove, so yeah well said Aaron.
To sum up,these two episodes were valuable a lot because they differ a lot from the classic 5/10 reg on reg battle.
Keep up the good work !

Time Link to 00:36:56

You don't think he was going for a turn check raise with pocket kings? Maybe he was afraid of that T OTT giving hero 2pair?

You don't think he was going for a turn check raise with pocket kings? Maybe he was afraid of that T OTT giving hero 2pair?

yea maybe... i think he was just afraid. it's kind of a crummy spot to go for a turn c/r imo because a good number of our hands will take a free card there and it's not a board where giving a free card is that great of a play

This is one of my favorite heads up videos. I loved this match and I think your student played well.
I would love to see part 3. I don't see it on here though so I assume you did not make a part 3?

yea unfortunately I never made part 3 here... sorry