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Whitelime coaches Tubasteve by reviewing his play at $200 NL. They analyze some hands and discuss strategies for the typical $200 NL table.
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+ you can 4bet light to a smaller amount and it is harder for them to 5bet shove.
I like to even minraise the button at these stakes.
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That´s not necessarily true that you cannot valuebet K2 on the river because you saw that KJ is still in his checking range on the river.
If he is an ideal calling station that calls the flop and river with any pair a valuebet is obviously still +ev.
Tuba, i know you pushed the river with T8s, right? ![]()
Also, you dont have to click exactly on the star to see the session stats, clicking on any part of the hud will work as well. And yeah, that is pretty usefull.
That´s not necessarily true that you cannot valuebet K2 on the river because you saw that KJ is still in his checking range on the river.
If he is an ideal calling station that calls the flop and river with any pair a valuebet is obviously still +ev.
heh, i swear in the first take of the video i actually went on to mention this. some guys are just so passive that while they aren't valuebetting KJ, they're also calling with plenty of worse hands and so since our valuebet only needs to get called by worse > 50% to be profitable, its fine if we occasionally value-cut ourselves. emil is definitely correct though that in general, when guys are willing to check down strong hands we should tighten up our v-bet range a bit.
Hey guys,
Great video.
Also thanks for the great advice about taking small shots in good games at higher limits. After watching it I went and selected THE 2 best 200NL games.
garf![]()
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If gburst is willing to check down his flopped straight here, can we assume that if he puts a bet in he has a really huge hand or do we have to assume that his range is polarized betweed either a big hand or a bluff?
heh, i swear in the first take of the video i actually went on to mention this. some guys are just so passive that while they aren't valuebetting KJ, they're also calling with plenty of worse hands and so since our valuebet only needs to get called by worse > 50% to be profitable, its fine if we occasionally value-cut ourselves. emil is definitely correct though that in general, when guys are willing to check down strong hands we should tighten up our v-bet range a bit.
oh i remember now, just rewatched and i did talk about this at about 17:30
If gburst is willing to check down his flopped straight here, can we assume that if he puts a bet in he has a really huge hand or do we have to assume that his range is polarized betweed either a big hand or a bluff?
i'd make the initial assumption that if he's that passive with made hands and doesn't have anything really aggressive about his stats or prior play, then he's just going to be incapable of bluffing in those sorts of spots. if he takes a line that just doesn't make sense, or is repping a very narrow range (say on a paired board) then i might attempt a light calldown, but basically i'd have to have a really good reason to do so.
In case you run into davin77 later on, i have about 1k hands on him at 100nl and overall he runs about 18vpip/16pfr so he plays fairly tight and his 3 bets seem to be more for value vs your opening range given positions. I haven't seen him 3bet with hands like A5s or 96s etc. But i have seen him 3bet 77 in BB vs BTN open. He just seems to 3bet for value vs an opening range instead of 3bet bluffing. So just FYI
I can't wait to watch this.... tubasteve is the nuts! And obv whitelime is the man! Sweet!
that K2 hand on KQxx 3flush turn, what is your play w/ KJ or KT w/o a FD and with a flush draw.
and if villain fired river there you would have folded right?
wna if turn was a different heart, like 7, do you still check behind
tubasteve did a good job of explaining his thought process. Having emil be a part of this video is mostly unnecessary.
Good vid. Tuba must be crushing nowadays if Emil 'definitely agrees' with every play.
Mid-stakes primer next week aye?
About the HM session stats: you can just double click anywhere on the stats and then you get the session stats. Double click again and the stats change back to normal (you can change the background color of the session stats HUD options -> player stats -> appearance -> alt background, that way you can quickly indicate if you are looking at all the stats or to the session stats).
did he bet the river in the T8dd hand? or did he check back some mid strength hand
Nice video.
Regarding the "fish"-term, i dont think it that much of a etiquette question.
I like to keep focus on how they are bad(or suboptimal
), instead of just noticing(and repeating) that they are.
Hi. Whitelime said he would have 4bet to $50 vs the blind vs blind 3bet of $20 with the K9o. What adjustement would you make if the guy flatted the 4bet?
Also, you were talking about bankroll management earlier. Im having a tough time deciding whether im good enough for the stakes i play, i beat 200nl pretty well from October to Febuary and starting playing some decent 400nl games aswell in march and April. then i started to Breakeven/lose money since. i still have like 50bi for 400NL but am playing 100nl atm through lack of confidence.
I wondered, aside from your bankroll, how do you decide whether your good enough to play a certain stake please?
Great video btw.
did he bet the river in the T8dd hand? or did he check back some mid strength hand
aaron and i already talked about this but for everyone else's benefit, i did check and he shoved the river
that K2 hand on KQxx 3flush turn, what is your play w/ KJ or KT w/o a FD and with a flush draw.
and if villain fired river there you would have folded right?
hmmmm interesting questions. i think KT/KJ are pretty much the same hand as K2 since I don't ever expect him to show up with K9 preflop (maybe rarely but he was pretty tight). with vs. w/out a flush draw doesnt seem like it should make a difference really since we're basically just not confident he has a ton of worse hands in his range (that call a 2-barrel) anyhow. yes if he had fired river after the turn ck/ck i would fold, i just don't beat anything at all except a Qx that he turned into a bluff (which is almost never happening, he would try to check down).
if turn was a different heart i think i would either check back or make a similar play to the one i did in the KQ hand later on where i bet like 2/3 pot on turn intending to check back the river.
tubasteve did a good job of explaining his thought process. Having emil be a part of this video is mostly unnecessary.
hey thanks! i do have to disagree about emil being unneccessary...sure most of the spots were relatively easy for me to explain, but having a top-level player confirm my thought process is great for my confidence. emil isn't my regular/long-term coach fwiw, but the confidence boost involved with a lesson like this is one of the major benefits of maintaining a relationship with a coach even if you are running well. ![]()
Hi. Whitelime said he would have 4bet to $50 vs the blind vs blind 3bet of $20 with the K9o. What adjustement would you make if the guy flatted the 4bet?
Also, you were talking about bankroll management earlier. Im having a tough time deciding whether im good enough for the stakes i play, i beat 200nl pretty well from October to Febuary and starting playing some decent 400nl games aswell in march and April. then i started to Breakeven/lose money since. i still have like 50bi for 400NL but am playing 100nl atm through lack of confidence.
I wondered, aside from your bankroll, how do you decide whether your good enough to play a certain stake please?
Great video btw.
1) if he flatted the 4-bet, i would probably size it the way i actually was during the video. in the first take we actually talked about this, sorry it didn't make it into the vid. basically we discussed how against guys that are habitual flatters, then esp when we're OOP we can 4b a little larger to avoid that.
2) figure out who is crushing the games (use PTR) and analyze their play. if you find yourself struggling to understand their thought processes you probably aren't ready to move up. getting a coach is probably a good idea based on your own little 'autobiography' since he/she'll be able to objectively help you decide just how skilled you are and where you need to improve.
If gburst is willing to check down his flopped straight here, can we assume that if he puts a bet in he has a really huge hand or do we have to assume that his range is polarized betweed either a big hand or a bluff?
I think the former is generally true, especially for players at these stakes. This guy is probably just incapable of bluffing, especially if you've shown strength.
that K2 hand on KQxx 3flush turn, what is your play w/ KJ or KT w/o a FD and with a flush draw.
and if villain fired river there you would have folded right?
I'd probably bet the KJ/KT w/o a heart and chk the KJ/KT w/ a heart.
I'm definitely folding if villain fired the river. Very few hands we beat here.
wna if turn was a different heart, like 7, do you still check behind
I'm probably betting in this spot and checking the river unimproved. Lots of pair + heart hands he still calls with that we are beating.
Hi. Whitelime said he would have 4bet to $50 vs the blind vs blind 3bet of $20 with the K9o. What adjustement would you make if the guy flatted the 4bet?
Also, you were talking about bankroll management earlier. Im having a tough time deciding whether im good enough for the stakes i play, i beat 200nl pretty well from October to Febuary and starting playing some decent 400nl games aswell in march and April. then i started to Breakeven/lose money since. i still have like 50bi for 400NL but am playing 100nl atm through lack of confidence.
I wondered, aside from your bankroll, how do you decide whether your good enough to play a certain stake please?
Great video btw.
If he calls the 4-bet, obviously there's more merit to making your 4-bets a little bigger to prevent that from happening in the future. If this was heads up and you are in position against an opponent who is calling a lot of your 4-bets but not 5-betting much, you can 4-bet for value with hands like AJs, KQs, and some speculative hands that you can steal with on the flop.
Aside from your bankroll, the biggest piece of information you should be using is just your sample size of hands and winrate at different stakes. If you don't have that many hands at the higher stakes, but you do have a 50 BI bankroll, just game select and only play when there's a juicy spot in the game and give yourself like a 10 BI shot or so after which you'll drop back down. A 50 BI bankroll is pretty solid.
Thnx very much tubasteve and whilelime ![]()
Great vid!
Whitelime, can u post your HUD somewhere? best damn Hu HUD ive seen!
-Denmark
lol, wrong topic, sorry!
Just got done watching it again. Great video as expected.
oh and 6:00 QJ hand... what a nit
lol
Hey guys,
Great video.
Also thanks for the great advice about taking small shots in good games at higher limits. After watching it I went and selected THE 2 best 200NL games.
garf
that was rough =/
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