Poker Video: Misc/Other by Joe Tall (High Stakes)

wow, 2 parts? can't wait to watch this!

Wow looking forward to see this probably awesome video.

Before looking at the video i'm interested in some things. I thought you didn't play that high. It was only for making the video or you play that stakes now? or taking a shot? do you plan to play in that games again?

Thanks (I really hope there is more series about horse games!)

very good video, boo on the spoilers

this is awesome

anyone have the math behind the two x's showing makes it more likely that one of them has another x? did i repeat that right?

Very entertaining video.

Where is the BBV hand? Is there a reason that FTP scrambles the cards in stud games?

Is there a reason that FTP scrambles the cards in stud games?

The reason is to simulate what it's like in a live game, where at showdown a player can turn over his hand without revealing which of the 3 down cards was the river card. So, on FTP the cards are shuffled in the sense that there is a 1 in 3 chance of each of the 3 down cards being displayed as the "river" card. Contrary to what viewers might think Joe was saying, this does not mean: if card X is shown as the river card, then X is NOT the river. Instead, it just means there is no way to know 100% which down card was the river card (although hand reading can usually give you an idea which was the more likely holding).

anyone have the math behind the two x's showing makes it more likely that one of them has another x? did i repeat that right?

1. Given one player with K door, what is the probability he has split kings?

This is [1 - (48/51)(47/50)], which is approximately 11.5%.

2. Given two players with K doors, what is the probability at least one of them has split kings?

This is [1 - (48/50)(47/49)(46/48)(45/47)] = [1 - (207/245)], which is approximately 15%.

However, when you take 3 players with the same door card, the probability at least one of them has that split pair now becomes less than case 1 above.

woah this is really high stakes , it'd be scary to play that kind of dough lol

Wow looking forward to see this probably awesome video.

Before looking at the video i'm interested in some things. I thought you didn't play that high. It was only for making the video or you play that stakes now? or taking a shot? do you plan to play in that games again?

Thanks (I really hope there is more series about horse games!)

I have played a few times since and made another 50m video where I have to do the audio. It's a good game and selling off my action to get in it has been totally worth it (as you'll see whenever we get that next video up).

1. Given one player with K door, what is the probability he has split kings?

This is [1 - (48/51)(47/50)], which is approximately 11.5%.

2. Given two players with K doors, what is the probability at least one of them has split kings?

This is [1 - (48/50)(47/49)(46/48)(45/47)] = [1 - (207/245)], which is approximately 15%.

However, when you take 3 players with the same door card, the probability at least one of them has that split pair now becomes less than case 1 above.

Nothing like having a UCLA math graduate TA on you side...

Holla to Blump, thanks!

Joe...in that first holdem hand were you not going to defend A4o? It looked like you were ready to fold before the sb called. I mean im a fish and all but I defend that with or without the SB calling.

Hi, i have a couple of questions!

-In 36:30 you say that in Omaha8, the stealing range is very wide and can be any 4 cards. It's typical to steal very very wide? What % of the hands do you think you usually try to steal in CO or BU? I know it depends on the big blind tightness, but I would like to know more or less what do you think about stealing ranges.

-In 47:30, playing stud hi, you open (Kh6h)3h UTG and a Td reraises you. You catch Kc on 4th street and you checkraise against a Td8h board. I would like to know what would you do if, instead of catching Kc on fourth, you catch:
1) Ah
2) 2h
3) 6c
4) 3c
5) Ac

Thank you very much for this great video!

Very entertaining video.

Where is the BBV hand? Is there a reason that FTP scrambles the cards in stud games?

You find the recent hand I played and put in BBV here: http://joetall.com/blog/. FTP shuffles the hole cards to mimic what could happen in a live game. Players get that card down and have the freedom to shuffle them.

Joe...in that first holdem hand were you not going to defend A4o? It looked like you were ready to fold before the sb called. I mean im a fish and all but I defend that with or without the SB calling.

It's a clear fold with the SB calling and I'm going to say without a strong read vs an EMP raise, it's a fold there as well. Vs a steal range, I call for sure.

Hi, i have a couple of questions!

-In 36:30 you say that in Omaha8, the stealing range is very wide and can be any 4 cards. It's typical to steal very very wide? What % of the hands do you think you usually try to steal in CO or BU? I know it depends on the big blind tightness, but I would like to know more or less what do you think about stealing ranges.

This really depends on the game conditions but when a new game at high stakes forms, you'll find the aggro players in LP testing the ranges of the blinds by pounding on them.

-In 47:30, playing stud hi, you open (Kh6h)3h UTG and a Td reraises you. You catch Kc on 4th street and you checkraise against a Td8h board. I would like to know what would you do if, instead of catching Kc on fourth, you catch:
1) Ah
2) 2h
3) 6c
4) 3c
5) Ac

1) Ah - bet
2) 2h - call
3) 6c - I was prepared to c/r and stick to my "over represent" plan.
4) 3c - same as a 6, imo
5) Ac - I might bet as it will make my hand easier to play if I catch well on 5th (my bet on 4th increases my FE later on), plus the chances I get raised on 4th are really slim, Dags has to have a big hand to raise there.

AA9sxs O8 hand - AAxx or A234, 2 low pair or a set were more likely with that flop when he raised, I'm actually kind of shocked that he played Jxxx that way because your hand screams of the same range I placed him on after the flop like A234 or AAxx - he is splitting or behind every time. Therefore I don't 3-ball, keep the pot size controlled or you will be forced to pay off an extra bet on the river if the pot gets bloated on the next street (of course this is what happened but this is not results oriented).

On the turn thats an check-call or bet fold - both lines are fine if you feel the opponent is very agro (I don't think you did) but based on your read IIRC the best line would be bet-fold. He is never raising here without a monster.

O8b is probably my weakest limit game, I hope some others can add feedback about this hand; I reserve the right to be wrong.

Just wanted to chime in to say Joe folding A4o vs an EP raiser is 100% standard no matter how many people call. Reverse implied odds up the wazoooo!!

-DeathDonkey

Regarding the QQ vs. KJ hand: Why did you think he couldn't bet the river with a better hand? Did I understand this right? I'm totally clueless there.