Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by n0whereman (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:21:59

Ran the equity on the hands.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
820 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 8cqh7c
4sqcksqs 60.12% (493 wins, 0 ties)
6s5dac3c 39.88% (327 wins, 0 ties)

Time Link to 00:25:51

Not sure if you guys get to this, but on the top table we coldcall with AJ35 preflop after a UTG open and a coldcall -- seems a bit on the loose side since you're really only playing one marginal hold'em hand, even though UTG is pretty loose. Thoughts?

Rob

Not sure if you guys get to this, but on the top table we coldcall with AJ35 preflop after a UTG open and a coldcall -- seems a bit on the loose side since you're really only playing one marginal hold'em hand, even though UTG is pretty loose. Thoughts?

Rob

Yeah I missed that - I'd muck. Make the J a 4/2 (or whatever danzasmack says ) and I might call.

Ran the equity on the hands.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
820 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 8cqh7c
4sqcksqs 60.12% (493 wins, 0 ties)
6s5dac3c 39.88% (327 wins, 0 ties)

Ah yeah ty. I did it on the side while we were recording, but I didn't pull it up on-screen.

Yeah I missed that - I'd muck. Make the J a 4/2 (or whatever danzasmack says ) and I might call.

Yeah, I've been playing a little tighter as of late (trying to weather some ugly variance) and I'd even be folding A235 unless it was doublesuited, and even then I'm not really all that happy about it (still relying on a lot of semibluffing ability and not really happy if I make anything other than a nut flush or a low-end gutshot, and if I make the latter I'm not happy when I get action).

Make the 3 a T I'm obv calling though.

Rob

should add the tag plo50, 50plo orrrrrrrr 0.25/0.50 or something.

Time Link to 00:38:02

I do like flatting the c/r on the 282r flop, I think good players would give up their air once we call, but there's not a strong reason to believe our opponent in this hand is a good player.

I also think it doesn't really matter that much when they have a worse deuce in the sense that if they don't boat up on the turn they're not folding when we have 3/4 of a PSB left in our stack.

So when they do have 88 or a deuce we're still getting it in on the turn regardless, but we do get a desperate bluff every once in a while which is great. I guess the only card we wouldn't want to see on the turn is an 8, but that won't happen often.

Calling is also better to balance when we attempt a float against a guy that we know might be bluff c/raising.

Time Link to 00:42:29

Hello.

You started to give your general philosophy about preflop play in PLO as compared to NLHE - talking about how players will fold preflop in NLHE but not so much in PLO - and therefore postflo....... (then you get involved in an interesting hand - what were you going to say?)

I'm not asking you to write a book - I'm just sort of a typical NLHE player who dabbles in PLO and would like some basic advice for reframing my preflop thought process for PLO. I feel like I missed out when the action distracted that thought.

TYVM

Hello.

You started to give your general philosophy about preflop play in PLO as compared to NLHE - talking about how players will fold preflop in NLHE but not so much in PLO - and therefore postflo....... (then you get involved in an interesting hand - what were you going to say?)

I'm not asking you to write a book - I'm just sort of a typical NLHE player who dabbles in PLO and would like some basic advice for reframing my preflop thought process for PLO. I feel like I missed out when the action distracted that thought.

TYVM

A couple of things:
1) As I (I think it was me) said in the video, you almost never have FE pf. 90+% of hands see flops in SSPLO games, so don't think you can get people to fold to a raise if they limp. They also don't fold on the flop terribly often, which leads me to point 2
2) In NLHE games with legit fish (not tagfish), a lot of the game revolves around isolating limpers with all manner of hands and either getting him to c/f tons of flops where he misses or valuetown when you hit. The latter is still possible in PLO, but it's a lot tougher to do the former. What this means is that while in NLHE raising 95s OTB over a bad limper is totally fine, raising an equivalent hand (maybe q853ss?) isn't going to work because you're gonna see a showdown. In addition, in NLHE when you raise the button the blinds tend to 3-bet/fold, making your life pretty easy. In PLO the blinds call. So now you have a bad hand in a multiway pot where you need a strong hand in order to win. This is a really long-winded way of saying that the presence of limpers can change your strategy drastically, turning some open-raising hands into folds or limps behind.

Awesome, thanks!

I hope my preflop questions even belong in your thread. I'm such a PLO noob - I don't want to "dumb" the series down. I've been a fan since your assistance in "from the ground up" - so it's fun for me to ask you...

Anyway, if you dont mind:


Many players at the 25PLO games I find myself in are similar in (lack of) skill as $2 or $5 NLHE players. When this is the case, is it appropriate to call preflop raises IP with high IO hands (that make the nuts) and play fit or fold? I know this sounds weak - but it certainly works in nano NLHE.

If so, can we also call with KKxx and QQxx hands trying to hit top set?


TY again.