Episode Seven

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Episode Seven

In episode 7, WiltOnTilt plays 1/2nl heads up against a thinking TAG/LAG with KRANTZ sweating. Wilt and KRANTZ discuss the optimal adjustments and gameflow considerations used to stay one step ahead of their opponent. The match is filled with examples and discussion of 3-bet pots, one of the most problematic areas for players new to aggressive heads up matches.

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Krantz and WiltOnTilt provide a heads up No Limit primer. A comprehensive guide to beating small stakes HU NLHE.

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Comments for Episode Seven

Radeh
Pair of Deuces
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\o/ Fridayyyyyy...finally!

Posted Apr 18, 2008 1:02pm

hen
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is the sound a little behind the image for anyone else?

prolly only time in my life I will be one step ahead of krantz :P

Posted Apr 18, 2008 2:02pm

klantjalle
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is the sound a little behind the image for anyone else?


yep

Posted Apr 18, 2008 2:28pm

pvwinkel
Set of Deuces
277 posts
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"I went with my read and i'm sticking to it" lol classic.

Posted Apr 18, 2008 3:08pm

Sugar Nut
Pair of Deuces
100 posts
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Great seson conclusion. Looking forward to next week's session by Krantz.

Unfortunately the sound on this one is a little bit out of sync (flash version)

Sugar Nut

Posted Apr 18, 2008 3:25pm

alexhandros
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i did some jumping jacks and i have to say krantz has never given such great advice. i feel fantastic.

Posted Apr 18, 2008 4:15pm

alexhandros
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also, great video as usual. i agree with almost all major decisions. i like the A3 shove. maybe its not strictly +EV (because a lot of the time that hes bluffing he probably has a pretty strong draw with a lot of outs) but i think its a great play to make with metagame implications. not only do you learn a lot about this opponent but if you call and win you will put him on megatilt, whether it is by sucking out and hitting an ace on the river or by having the best hand. if he stays and plays a long session, this little investment will reap huge benefits.

Posted Apr 18, 2008 4:17pm

Radeh
Pair of Deuces
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About the "can't read red text on red background" thing with the session stats in HEM...you can change the color/opacity to whatever you want ;)

Posted Apr 18, 2008 7:26pm

LouPinella
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5 stars due to the vince van patten comment on hands and then complete silence and then you both sounding like a couple of complete stoners

Posted Apr 18, 2008 7:55pm

WiltOnTilt
Exec Producer
Deuces Full
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lol Lou

Posted Apr 18, 2008 9:01pm

derosnec
Deuce High
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lol, u tell him u have to go in 10 minutes after u stack him. dunno why, it made me laugh

overall terrific video as usual

Posted Apr 19, 2008 12:26am

shawn
Pair of Deuces
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genius. hold'em manager seems better than poker tracker.

Posted Apr 19, 2008 12:40am

trontron
Deuce High
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following questions (what if :)

4.55: QJo on JTc7c board; what i he c/r your CB to 24 / 30 / 36 usd? if you call, what turns do you call/fold/shove?

40.19: what if: (269 effective stack): AJs, we 3bet, what if he 4bets to 65? what if he makes it 50 or 55?

58.43: A7o: don't you think that there's value in a 35$ river bet?

1.08.30: ATo: do you snapcall if he overshoves? does a 6 on river change anything?

overall great video, even though i liked some others of the season better

Posted Apr 19, 2008 2:23am

NoFear
Deuce High
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great video.

is the ep8 sweating pr1nnyraid the last of the series or r u going to cover some other topics as well?
really am enjoying this whole hu series as these r pretty hard to find elsewhere.

ty

Posted Apr 19, 2008 5:12pm

Marwan
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nice vid guys.. great to see a match in its entirety and the necessary adjustments you needed to make along the way

you said you would give a bit more input on the Q10 hand where we had middle pair in a 3-bet pot (x10A 2 heart flop) and said it was good to lead out there.. what are good conditions to pot control and c/c? I'm guessing if villain defends light and bets a ton when checked to we would be inclined to c/c there? .. why did we lead out? is it because he was very prone to floating or bluff-raising in that spot, but didn't seem to be betting when checked to in 3-bet pots?

Posted Apr 20, 2008 1:19am

NoWayFolding
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great vid.

Have a few questions

On the AQ hand (3bet pot, you are OOP and flop is QJT r) you bet flop and he calls what range do you put him on?
If he raises flop is this an auto felt?
(I am assuming it is given history + player type)
Are there any player types/other spots where you would not want to get it in on this flop in a 3bet pot.
What range would you be getting it in here?


On the turn you bet a 2(I think). Are there any turns cards whereby you would play different. ie. if the 9 or K comes out. Would this still be a felt?

Posted Apr 21, 2008 1:08am

WiltOnTilt
Exec Producer
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following questions (what if :)

4.55: QJo on JTc7c board; what i he c/r your CB to 24 / 30 / 36 usd? if you call, what turns do you call/fold/shove?

It was still fairly early in the match. I'd probably call any of the checkraises and call most turns, i don't think i'd be shoving any turns except for a J or Q. If he bet heavily on a club i'd fold, otherwise i'm planning to call most turns and re-eval the river

40.19: what if: (269 effective stack): AJs, we 3bet, what if he 4bets to 65? what if he makes it 50 or 55?

interesting question. we had been 3betting him so much i'm inclined to ship it in but if he only makes it 50 or 55 then there's a fair amount of play left... i think calling and making a move on favorable flops is better.

58.43: A7o: don't you think that there's value in a 35$ river bet?

i don't think so, although we have the best hand a lot, i don't think he's calling with a worse hand >= 50% of the time

1.08.30: ATo: do you snapcall if he overshoves? does a 6 on river change anything?

yea absolutely snap call. once we take such a bluffy line on the flop we're committing ourselves to the hand pretty much no matter what. i'm surprised he didnt jam the deuce on the flop and i would expect to jam the 6 on the flop too once we took that line. also we had just been in such control of the match that he could have been ready to snap at any point.

overall great video, even though i liked some others of the season better

thanks, glad you liked the video. I felt really good about how it turned out once it was over. I guess the first 20-30 mins might have been a bit slow but overall I thought there was quite a bit of informative discussion. honestly i'm somewhat surprised there hasn't been a more positive response (certainly that's ok! we're always open to hearing what we could have done better so we can exceed expectations in the future!)

Posted Apr 22, 2008 10:24pm

WiltOnTilt
Exec Producer
Deuces Full
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Joined 10/07

great vid.

Have a few questions

On the AQ hand (3bet pot, you are OOP and flop is QJT r) you bet flop and he calls what range do you put him on?
If he raises flop is this an auto felt?
(I am assuming it is given history + player type)
Are there any player types/other spots where you would not want to get it in on this flop in a 3bet pot.
What range would you be getting it in here?


On the turn you bet a 2(I think). Are there any turns cards whereby you would play different. ie. if the 9 or K comes out. Would this still be a felt?



if we bet a hand like pair+straight draw we're probably felting it, but something like J9 we'd check a lot here and play some pot control. We're pretty much auto-felting here and expect his range to be fairly wide, mostly including hands with some sort of K or 9 in them. Also we'd expect many of the hands that really nail this flop to 4bet us preflop with a fairly high frequency. Certainly hands like JT/QJ/QT are well within his flatting range though.

if a 9 hits the turn we're definitely playing pretty cautiously (likely c/f) as it would nail his range hard. if the K hits we probably go ahead and bet it.

WoT

Posted Apr 22, 2008 10:29pm

WiltOnTilt
Exec Producer
Deuces Full
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Joined 10/07

nice vid guys.. great to see a match in its entirety and the necessary adjustments you needed to make along the way

you said you would give a bit more input on the Q10 hand where we had middle pair in a 3-bet pot (x10A 2 heart flop) and said it was good to lead out there.. what are good conditions to pot control and c/c? I'm guessing if villain defends light and bets a ton when checked to we would be inclined to c/c there? .. why did we lead out? is it because he was very prone to floating or bluff-raising in that spot, but didn't seem to be betting when checked to in 3-bet pots?



imo there are 3 big considerations on whether or not we're going to lead here:

a) do we know what to do vs a raise
b) do we know what to do on a blank turn
c) if we check, do we have an idea about his frequency for bluffing multiple streets at us.

so if we're checking to control the pot, we have to worry about either being bluffed off the hand or getting value towned (ie playing a guessing game). if we know he's going to bluff us a lot, we can c/c to induce, if we know he's never bluffing if we check, then we can play it that way.

in this case, we felt many of his big aces would be reraising us preflop and we didnt feel like he'd raise a weak Ax hand here on the flop. so when he raises he's on a bluff or heart draw most of the time. we were fortunate enough to get a very good turn although on a lot of turns we're calling (given our read)

WoT

Posted Apr 22, 2008 10:31pm

JoppE
Deuce High
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Joined 02/08

Great vid! You got a perfect villain for a vid like this, Both very entertaining vid as a lot to learn from!

Posted Apr 26, 2008 3:08pm

muckyouraces
Deuce High
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1.07 On the A10 hand, why did you check the turn? Is it because you thought you would only be called by better and would fold worse? One of the best HU vids I've seen. Considering how tricky villain was, I was amazed how much you guys took from him. Great Job

Posted Jun 7, 2008 12:34am

Dead-Inside
Deuce High
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Joined 05/08

5 stars due to the vince van patten comment on hands and then complete silence and then you both sounding like a couple of complete stoners



Yeah, that part was more than awesome.

Posted Jun 27, 2008 8:05am