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Time Link to 00:26:06
is that A on the turn that good of a bluff card for them considering you can be checking back a lot of A highs on that board?
Time Link to 00:26:13
are they going to fire all the hands you get value from themsevles, like Qx (esp weaker Qx like QJ/QT), 7x, that often (or as often as they will call if you bet)? also, won't you be missing value from/giving free cards to weak flush draws (like 89hh, T9hh) and straight draws like JTs. given that when you check you usually have a medium strength made hand that isnt planing on check/folding, won't those hands be checking back and taking free cards a lot, and wont he be less likely to bluff with air?
Time Link to 00:37:47
what do you mean by that "someguys decide to pop you on the turn because they are afraid of it"?
Nice one, again.
When we are going to see whole serie from You ?
Time Link to 00:16:41
Hi Fender!
Left table. What would be your play with AcQs? I guess you'd just call, because we block a lot of his possible draws with A of clubs? With a king of clubs it's just a fold, isn't it?
With A of clubs how would you extract the most value if a club hits on a turn?
Time Link to 00:36:43
What is your default 3bet size in this spot (i.e. 200bb deep)? I guess you might make it bigger for value against fish, but what about regs?
Time Link to 00:23:30
On the JJ flat pre w/ fish in blinds, the preflop raiser checked oop and you value-bet the fish on the Q high dry flop and 1/2 potted the turn for value due to his super wide range (47% of hands peflop).
If he calls the turn do you assume he has the Q and c/f or do you like 1/3 pot the river for value (assuming he's not "I bluff every river checked to loose fish guy" in which case its a c/c)?
Time Link to 00:19:25
Solid vid.
RE the Q4 on the left table. What turns are you barrelling, giving up on etc after donking here? I always checkfold in these spots because it's hard to get your hand to showdown, we end up valuecutting ourselves etc. is this bad?
Time Link to 00:25:20
Why do you think its good for the villain to lead the turn ? A good amount of your checking range on this flop is A-high which isnt folding to turn and river 2-barrel anyway.
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Probably ask many times, but how do you install the dark skin. I like to install it myself, cause from time to time i just miss that there is one more player in the pot than i thought.\
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Early in the video you make a 5bet shove w/KT(?) because you just expected villian to be bluffing. Is this kind of ' i really think hes bluffing here so il shove' common at 400nl ? For a 2 tabling high intensity player it might be but on average is 5bet bluffing at all common or a practise you think you should be advising to 100nl players
hey guys I've been sick in bed for 3 days straight I'll get to all these questions asap.
is that A on the turn that good of a bluff card for them considering you can be checking back a lot of A highs on that board?
it's not a bad bluff card. it's true that I'm checking back a lot of A high but I'm also checking back a lot of hands that will fold to 1 barrel and some others that will fold to 2. it's not a board that gets cbet a ton of the time (fold equity vs. a loose guy from the blinds is usually nihil) so I still have Qx and Kx in my checking back range frequently.
are they going to fire all the hands you get value from themsevles, like Qx (esp weaker Qx like QJ/QT), 7x, that often (or as often as they will call if you bet)? also, won't you be missing value from/giving free cards to weak flush draws (like 89hh, T9hh) and straight draws like JTs. given that when you check you usually have a medium strength made hand that isnt planing on check/folding, won't those hands be checking back and taking free cards a lot, and wont he be less likely to bluff with air?
this spot can go both ways dependent on your opponent. first thing is that if they have a 2nd pair hand like Qx you're rarely getting 3 streets of value anyway so there's less concern if we miss a street. against a passive player betting 3x is a better strategy than checking usually, and against an aggressive reg that will bluff you with missed sets or semi-bluff draws it really puts you in a tough spot and checking makes it look like you have a Q or are giving up, so you'll catch some guys tossing more barrels at you than they should. I expect most people to bet flush draws when checked to here, even weaker players usually do. but again if we thought they were passive enough to not fire, we'd just bet ourselves. as for your last question it depends on the intensity of the opponent. is he a guy that will fire 3 at you when you check to get you to fold that showdown hand? or is he a guy that will just fire 1 and give up? does he raise a lot of flops? or just hero call down? cater to the player's tendencies. answer some of those questions then ask yourself if you like a bet or a check better.
what do you mean by that "someguys decide to pop you on the turn because they are afraid of it"?
I just rambled that out but what I mean is some guys will raise their better than 1 pair value hands on the turn because they're afraid of losing action or getting outdrawn themselves. obviously if he has a boat here he's not worried about that, I just meant in other situations where the board isn't paired but it is drawy or say he had trip 5's here.
Nice one, again.
When we are going to see whole serie from You ?
You will sometime! When you do it will hopefully be worth it ![]()
Hi Fender!
Left table. What would be your play with AcQs? I guess you'd just call, because we block a lot of his possible draws with A of clubs? With a king of clubs it's just a fold, isn't it?
With A of clubs how would you extract the most value if a club hits on a turn?
calling is only good if we are getting a good price or if we have good implied odds. so your 2nd question should be addressed before deciding whether or not to call or do something else. just going quickly through these atm I'll hop back in and elaborate later
don't forget you can shove or 3b as well, you don't have to just call. depends on how wide you think his range is, how many bluffs or semi-bluffs exist if any.
Hi Fender!
Left table. What would be your play with AcQs? I guess you'd just call, because we block a lot of his possible draws with A of clubs? With a king of clubs it's just a fold, isn't it?
With A of clubs how would you extract the most value if a club hits on a turn?
oh and yeah Kc is only slightly better than Qc but meh. what would make either of those clubs stronger?
What is your default 3bet size in this spot (i.e. 200bb deep)? I guess you might make it bigger for value against fish, but what about regs?
my standard is pot OOP but you can crank it up some if you want. making it slightly too big is way less of an issue than making it slightly too small ![]()
I think you missed my questions FJ , also add into them do you flat his 4bet w/AA in that spot.
yeah I'll get to them. like I said I've been sick and I'm just up and around today ![]()
this spot can go both ways dependent on your opponent. first thing is that if they have a 2nd pair hand like Qx you're rarely getting 3 streets of value anyway so there's less concern if we miss a street. against a passive player betting 3x is a better strategy than checking usually, and against an aggressive reg that will bluff you with missed sets or semi-bluff draws it really puts you in a tough spot and checking makes it look like you have a Q or are giving up, so you'll catch some guys tossing more barrels at you than they should. I expect most people to bet flush draws when checked to here, even weaker players usually do. but again if we thought they were passive enough to not fire, we'd just bet ourselves. as for your last question it depends on the intensity of the opponent. is he a guy that will fire 3 at you when you check to get you to fold that showdown hand? or is he a guy that will just fire 1 and give up? does he raise a lot of flops? or just hero call down? cater to the player's tendencies. answer some of those questions then ask yourself if you like a bet or a check better.
thanks the great reply. one thing: if an aggressive reg will bluff you with missed sets or semi-bluff draws, how tough of a spot is that really? if you know hes bluff happy, it doesnt seem that tough. i.e. cant you just bet/call or bet/3bet?
i don't know how you do that time link stuff. so 37:10.
what would you do with JJ hand on the flop if the opponent ck/raises?
On the JJ flat pre w/ fish in blinds, the preflop raiser checked oop and you value-bet the fish on the Q high dry flop and 1/2 potted the turn for value due to his super wide range (47% of hands peflop).
If he calls the turn do you assume he has the Q and c/f or do you like 1/3 pot the river for value (assuming he's not "I bluff every river checked to loose fish guy" in which case its a c/c)?
depends on the guy, with no history I may check/fold terrible board runouts, and I may bet 1/3 to full pot or even overbet for value, depending on how I feel he's going to respond with his range (say that his weak range improves to a lot of 2nd or midpairs but we still beat him, I may bet bigger, but if he's likely to just have A high or some garbage pair, I may go 1/3 or even 1/4 pot). my bet sizing changes all the time in these situations. the more info you have the more you can take advantage. THEME!
(also I would only assume he had the Q *meaning a stronger range* if I had a read that he folded a lot to turn bets after peeling really wide, but suddenly called this turn bet. it would be a picked up draw at the min, or more likely to be Qx+)
Solid vid.
RE the Q4 on the left table. What turns are you barrelling, giving up on etc after donking here? I always checkfold in these spots because it's hard to get your hand to showdown, we end up valuecutting ourselves etc. is this bad?
thanks!
barreling any turn that 1. improves our hand 2. improves our equity 3. is a scare card for a wide range or a card that lets me barrel the turn and river and get a lot of his range to fold (since it's so wide). so lots of cards
I'd be giving up on cards that complete his likely draws.
there's nothing wrong with check/folding those marginal spots, it's not a mistake, I just think with an overcard and a pair on a drawy board vs. a guy this loose we're not doing so bad, and I'm willing to get into some sketchy spots because loose/passives aren't making it hard to keep control of the hand OOP.
Why do you think its good for the villain to lead the turn ? A good amount of your checking range on this flop is A-high which isnt folding to turn and river 2-barrel anyway.
hey thorrrr how's that hammer? answered this question above ![]()
Hey...
Probably ask many times, but how do you install the dark skin. I like to install it myself, cause from time to time i just miss that there is one more player in the pot than i thought.\
Can i download it somewhere?
Tiltbuster.com will take care of all your modding needs. No free soda though ![]()
i don't know how you do that time link stuff. so 37:10.
what would you do with JJ hand on the flop if the opponent ck/raises?
Watch this short video, and leave a time link.
That will be much easier for the coaches to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.
Early in the video you make a 5bet shove w/KT(?) because you just expected villian to be bluffing. Is this kind of ' i really think hes bluffing here so il shove' common at 400nl ? For a 2 tabling high intensity player it might be but on average is 5bet bluffing at all common or a practise you think you should be advising to 100nl players
I usually 4-6 table when I'm playing midstakes but the thought process isn't exactly "hmmmmmm ! I think he's bluffing! 5b any hand!" there's usually some anticipation or history with the opponent and usually you'll have adjusted your 3b/5b range to include hands you either want to bluff with (like pairs b/c they have good equity vs. a calling range) or hands for thinner value than you would normally stack off with w/o the previously mentioned information.
here in the video I made the bold assumption that I was getting 4b bluffed because it was very early in the sesh and one of his first button raises (along with my early 3b) and there's also a chance he knows my sn and thinks I'm a scrub, so I felt the needs to put the dogs on him and 5b jam K9
def not standard though.
as far as suggesting 100NL players run amuck 5b jamming trash I do not condone but if you REALLY feel like you're getting bluffed and you didn't anticipate it, use the force luke, what's the worst that can happen? your lightsaber clips your hand and your opponent thinks you're spewy and retarded? if you're not doing it every day in every way you'll be fine (might even get paid a few stacks in return if you don't bluff that guy for a while).
I do condone 100NL players considering what adjustments they should make vs. players who 4b more often, especially if they want to move up a couple of levels. the fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people who are very comfortable 4b bluffing at 100NL and you should get comfortable both 4b'ing and combating 4b's in general.
I think you missed my questions FJ , also add into them do you flat his 4bet w/AA in that spot.
seems like a pretty nice spot to slowplay yeah, considering I think it's good enough to rambojambo airballs ![]()
i don't know how you do that time link stuff. so 37:10.
what would you do with JJ hand on the flop if the opponent ck/raises?
if you're referring to the JJ hand on the 556 (I think) I'd snapfold to a nit or a loose passive (unless the nit had shown himself to be super bluffy postflop b/c he knows he's a nit) if I had a read that the player liked to c/c hands like KQ/AQ/AJ on the flop I'd probably fold because that cuts down on his likely bluffing hands, especially if he's not peeling stuff like 78s OOP (cuts down on his bluffs as well). basically I ask myself a few questions:
1. who is this guy? what type of player am I dealing with?
2. if I'm behind, how likely is it that I can make a hand that catches up?
3. do I know anything about any of his postflop value/bluffing lines or ranges?
4. do I know anything about how often (and on what cards) he likes to continue bluffing or where he gives up?
5. is he adjusting to me in any way?
there's a bunch more stuff I could list out but you guys get the idea. think dynamically.
thanks the great reply. one thing: if an aggressive reg will bluff you with missed sets or semi-bluff draws, how tough of a spot is that really? if you know hes bluff happy, it doesnt seem that tough. i.e. cant you just bet/call or bet/3bet?
this depends greatly on you guessed it, your opponent! if his bluffing frequency is really out of line because he knows you're folding as strong as top pair a lot, then you're getting pwned, so if you knew he was doing that you could re-pwn him by not folding. it becomes tough when he's coming from a more balanced perspective and not just trying to rape exploit you. if he only sprinkles those bluffs in you can be folding the best hand a fair amount, or paying off hands you have very few outs to improve against. observation and experience is key, but yes this really can be a tough spot and it doesn't get any easier as you move up in stakes ![]()
Time Link to 00:40:24
Isn't the suited Ax a call preflop, given that you're 200bb deep with Kraxen and closing the action?
Isn't the suited Ax a call preflop, given that you're 200bb deep with Kraxen and closing the action?
it's not a bad spot to call, not a bad spot to fold, you can do whatever there. it's true that I'm 200bb deep with krax but the fish only has a half stack so implied odds go down a bit there. I'm going to have to play pretty straightforward postflop in this scenario so I opted to fold.
this depends greatly on you guessed it, your opponent! if his bluffing frequency is really out of line because he knows you're folding as strong as top pair a lot, then you're getting pwned, so if you knew he was doing that you could re-pwn him by not folding. it becomes tough when he's coming from a more balanced perspective and not just trying to rape exploit you. if he only sprinkles those bluffs in you can be folding the best hand a fair amount, or paying off hands you have very few outs to improve against. observation and experience is key, but yes this really can be a tough spot and it doesn't get any easier as you move up in stakes
if our opponent is good enough to balance his value raise/bluff frequency to the point where its a tough spot for us, then don't you think he is good enough to balance his multi street value bet/bluff frequency vs your checks as the pfr as well?
if our opponent is good enough to balance his value raise/bluff frequency to the point where its a tough spot for us, then don't you think he is good enough to balance his multi street value bet/bluff frequency vs your checks as the pfr as well?
not necessarily. everyone's different. everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. maybe he balances it and doesn't even realize he's doing it well, maybe he's really good at this particular spot but sucks at barreling. maybe he perceives our checks as the preflop raiser differently on different boards etc. and reacts in an exploitable manner.
not necessarily. everyone's different. everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. maybe he balances it and doesn't even realize he's doing it well, maybe he's really good at this particular spot but sucks at barreling. maybe he perceives our checks as the preflop raiser differently on different boards etc. and reacts in an exploitable manner.
very good point; however, you dont have any information about which line is going to put you in a tougher spot, so in the absence of information shouldnt you just err on the side of value betting/aggression when you can certainly get value?
thanks for the great discussion btw
very good point; however, you dont have any information about which line is going to put you in a tougher spot, so in the absence of information shouldnt you just err on the side of value betting/aggression when you can certainly get value?
thanks for the great discussion btw
np that's what we're here for
yes you should normally err on the side of value betting without information, but sometimes you should toss a curve ball in there and I like to do that in spots where I'm likely to be put in a tough spot by a player that likely isn't weak, even if I have no reads.
think about all the info you have on villain so far, about all the hand combinations they can have that just fold that flop. think about all the hand combo's that are likely to raise. think about which hands are just stone calling you down until the board runs out like shit, they've outdrawn you, or they've decided you aren't bluffing. then decide whether or not you want to throw a check in there vs. this villain to avoid a potentially tough spot and maybe induce bluffs
it's not an exact science, there's a combination of experience, observation, and anticipation all working together but if you're constantly paying close attention to more and more information, you'll notice a lot of good spots that you didn't before (for all kinds of plays).
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