Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DosXX (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:18:46

On the left table you have 29/19 stats for xerok, and on the right side you have Manifest weighing in with 40/30+ stats...

Good video.

In the very beginning of the video, you simultaneously encounter two Blind Vs. Blind spots from the SB.

The first one, we had JdTd and get raised on a T83r, and in the second one, we have AdKd(I think), on a KsJsXs board.

You mentioned that you wanted to "take control" of the T83r board so you 3bet. I felt like this was the exact type of board that did not need to be taken control of(making it ideal to smooth call and checkraise the turn), whereas the KJXsss flop was exactly the kind of board that we should be trying to take control of.

So given the same preflop/flop actions, what kind of hands are you flatting the flop with on the T83r w/ the intention of CRing the turn? What kind of hands are you 3betting the flop with on the KJXsss board?

Good video.

In the very beginning of the video, you simultaneously encounter two Blind Vs. Blind spots from the SB.

The first one, we had JdTd and get raised on a T83r, and in the second one, we have AdKd(I think), on a KsJsXs board.

You mentioned that you wanted to "take control" of the T83r board so you 3bet. I felt like this was the exact type of board that did not need to be taken control of(making it ideal to smooth call and checkraise the turn), whereas the KJXsss flop was exactly the kind of board that we should be trying to take control of.

So given the same preflop/flop actions, what kind of hands are you flatting the flop with on the T83r w/ the intention of CRing the turn? What kind of hands are you 3betting the flop with on the KJXsss board?

I pretty much agree with you and those hands kind of bothered me. I think I should definitely c/r the turn with JT, but in the heat of the moment trying to explain 2 actions and why gets me confused at times, so I took the easy way out with JT and 3bet, which I think is a slightly worse decision than calling and c/r turn.

I'm not sure I agree though with 3betting the AK board. I would rather call and wait for a safe turn and then c/r. I never expect anyone to check back a spade on the turn in mid/high stakes games, so that was a surprise. I'm not sure I really have a hand I should 3 bet on the KJXsss board, since I have a fairly wide flop calling range. It gives me a good mix of c/folding, c/calling, and c/raising turns and gives me a lot more information about my equity before I decide how many bets to put in.

Good points though about the T83 board.

On the left table you have 29/19 stats for xerok, and on the right side you have Manifest weighing in with 40/30+ stats...

I'm not sure I get the point?

I'm not sure I get the point?

Manifest is a pretty tight TAG, and xerok is a robust LAGTAG. Just funny how sample sizes skew things.

Manifest is a pretty tight TAG, and xerok is a robust LAGTAG. Just funny how sample sizes skew things.

Lol at Manifest beeing taggy.

Lol at Manifest beeing taggy.

Sick...I guess I need to filter my stats better

I must have some really old hands on him or something

Havent used stats in ages, so idk you could be right. But watching him play one hand and you see hes not a tag.

Time Link to 00:08:23

Vs Chessnok on the right, shouldn't this be an easy vb for him on the river?

Havent used stats in ages, so idk you could be right. But watching him play one hand and you see hes not a tag.

Filtered for 5-6 handed play in the year of 2010:

-2,841 hands
-28.3vpip/18.7pfr/53%afq

Vs Chessnok on the right, shouldn't this be an easy vb for him on the river?

Yes, I think so. But he might also suspect I'm folding a lot of small pairs on that board on the river, but I still think it's a fairly easy value bet.

Time Link to 00:13:14

Any merit to just folding to the flop CR on the right? What range did you put him on? What cards are you folding from the turn onward?

Time Link to 00:16:48

I like CR this turn. The BB will often bet his Ace high and K high hands for value and often pay you off. I think you are letting him off the hook by betting.

Any merit to just folding to the flop CR on the right? What range did you put him on? What cards are you folding from the turn onward?

Certainly some merit. Against some players I could easily fold because they won't attack a dry board like that. Against others I won't because they will attack this board. Unfortunately I don't know the player well enough to make that call, so my default is to call and fold bad cards.

Bad cards are hearts pretty much. When the ace comes and he bets, I actually feel my hand is a lot better, because even some kings will end up checking the turn/river, so a bet makes it more likely he has a monster or air. Against the monster/air polarized range I'm doing fine. Of course he ends up having a king, which surprised me a little bit. But, as a default I think when he bets the ace it's actually an ok card for me considering his reaction to my entire range.

I like CR this turn. The BB will often bet his Ace high and K high hands for value and often pay you off. I think you are letting him off the hook by betting.

Against some players I think you are right, but this player has been taking passive lines in most cases. I don't agree that this particular player would bet strong ace and king highs at all. And then, it's also not 100% that he pays off a river bet with those hands.

Time Link to 00:01:55

if A2o is too weak to defend vs. the UTG opener, doesn't it become even worse when sandwiched multi-way? i thought these big/little offsuit hands with high reverse implied odds did very poorly in these situations? you're going to end up folding a lot of equity on a lot of flops... and then the flops you hit will be tenuous at best with the RIO and being multi-way it will be harder for you to control the pot size.

that's what i thought and why i always fold this, but im a nit stuck in 2008 mode who needs to learn how to open up. maybe this is one of those spots.

Time Link to 00:03:47

the A8o hand that makes the flush on turn:

do you look for a certain % of equity vs. the opening range before you 3bet? i would guess this to be fairly borerline (again, im a nit learning to open up)

but my question has to do with your comment on how villain should have considered a c/r on the turn with the 2nd nuts. this is precisely why if i were hero with the 8d made flush on the turn, i would have checked back if it was checked to me. my thinking is that i save 2 bets when behind (the two turn bets) and i might gain extra bets by inducing river bets when ahead? i think its optimistic to expect 2 bets (one on turn and one on river) when ahead, so the best chance to get 1 is to wait for the river, saving bets when behind in the process.

is that thinking solid or does it miss some key components?

Time Link to 00:09:55

is K4o a standard button open or is it one of those extra wide opens you talk about because of the passive on the hand before, in that he didn't attempt a bluff on the turn? he looks kinda loose/passive. i thought opening wider would be better against tighter guys? sorry, just trying to wrap my hand around this.

if A2o is too weak to defend vs. the UTG opener, doesn't it become even worse when sandwiched multi-way? i thought these big/little offsuit hands with high reverse implied odds did very poorly in these situations? you're going to end up folding a lot of equity on a lot of flops... and then the flops you hit will be tenuous at best with the RIO and being multi-way it will be harder for you to control the pot size.

that's what i thought and why i always fold this, but im a nit stuck in 2008 mode who needs to learn how to open up. maybe this is one of those spots.

The SB coldcalling adds significant equity to our hand because people have mostly middling connected cards, not ace highs, so our equity is padded from the SB. We still have some RIO problems, but those are mitigated from extra money in preflop and potentially a SB putting money in bad postflop.

the A8o hand that makes the flush on turn:

do you look for a certain % of equity vs. the opening range before you 3bet? i would guess this to be fairly borerline (again, im a nit learning to open up)

but my question has to do with your comment on how villain should have considered a c/r on the turn with the 2nd nuts. this is precisely why if i were hero with the 8d made flush on the turn, i would have checked back if it was checked to me. my thinking is that i save 2 bets when behind (the two turn bets) and i might gain extra bets by inducing river bets when ahead? i think its optimistic to expect 2 bets (one on turn and one on river) when ahead, so the best chance to get 1 is to wait for the river, saving bets when behind in the process.

is that thinking solid or does it miss some key components?

Preflop, yes you want around 45% equity or so, since you have an additional overlay from the blinds folding. If you have problems with these spots, Stox's book has a good refresher on it.

I probably should've checked back the 8d on the turn, although I'm not sure I would've done that at game speed, especially since I would expect a diamond bigger than an 8 to bet the turn. I do think having the Qd in that spot would be a good spot for a c/r. In general, I'm agreeing with your reasoning.