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Ghost: NinaWilliams (#3) - $10/20 LHE Part 2

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Ghost: NinaWilliams (#3) - $10/20 LHE Part 2 by NinaWilliams

NinaWilliams is back at the 2-tabling grind of $10/20 LHE.

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  • Game: lhe
  • Stakes: High Stakes
  • 46 minutes long
  • Posted about 1 year ago

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randomrules

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NinaWilliams

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Boston? Have you left Vegas?



I'm visiting Boston atm. Its cold and dark and horrible

Posted over 1 year ago

motienko

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If your not CR an 8 here on the flop, but you are CR your draws, aren't you making it easy on the villian?

How are you playing an Ace? bottom pair?

How does your kicker effect your decisions?

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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If your not CR an 8 here on the flop, but you are CR your draws, aren't you making it easy on the villian?

How are you playing an Ace? bottom pair?

How does your kicker effect your decisions?



I'm making it easy on him if I do c/r an 8.

I'd c/r most aces but I would c/c without a kicker a fair amount.

Posted over 1 year ago

motienko

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Time Link to 00:04:28

I am curious what your thought process was with the hand on the left. What range did you put the villian on? What was your plan for certain turns? and rivers?

Posted over 1 year ago

GGB

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I'm making it easy on him if I do c/r an 8.

I'd c/r most aces but I would c/c without a kicker a fair amount.



Could you explain it deeper? Why is it easy for your opp if you CR an 8 here? What's your peeling range here? Do you Cr air? You said later on an A67 board that you can calldown here with QJo, if your opp use the same logic then I think you should CR your 8x hands here.

Posted over 1 year ago

motienko

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On the left you fold QTo from UTG 5 handed. I recently watched a Dosxx vid were he talked about or KTo UTG 6 handed.

What are your thoughts about these hands in these different positions.

Did you have a particular read that made you not want to play the QTo or is this just a standard fold for you?

Thanks.

Posted over 1 year ago

Psychobingo

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I have no timestamp, but the co which was aggro raised and you fold 33 otb, is this standard for you? Seems weak to me

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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I have no timestamp, but the co which was aggro raised and you fold 33 otb, is this standard for you? Seems weak to me




It is standard for me. I wasn't showing a profit with 33 22 so I started folding them. I haven't missed them one bit.

Posted over 1 year ago

GGB

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It's not thin actually, you have around 65% here.

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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On the left you fold QTo from UTG 5 handed. I recently watched a Dosxx vid were he talked about or KTo UTG 6 handed.

What are your thoughts about these hands in these different positions.

Did you have a particular read that made you not want to play the QTo or is this just a standard fold for you?

Thanks.




They're really marginal. You should play them if the blinds are bad and the players behind you are tight. In these games it looks as though they will be losers.

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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Could you explain it deeper? Why is it easy for your opp if you CR an 8 here? What's your peeling range here? Do you Cr air? You said later on an A67 board that you can calldown here with QJo, if your opp use the same logic then I think you should CR your 8x hands here.




one answer is that it makes the turn really easy for him to play if he knows that your range for calling the flop is going to be really weak. We might be getting ourselves into a spot where we have to call 2-3 streets with 4x or K7, and that just sucks. The more practical answer is that he's not going to be calling down wide enough most of the time to profitably c/r and bet all 3 streets. It's also good for his if he double barrels a hand like JT that he would fold on the flop.

Posted over 1 year ago

GGB

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one answer is that it makes the turn really easy for him to play if he knows that your range for calling the flop is going to be really weak. We might be getting ourselves into a spot where we have to call 2-3 streets with 4x or K7, and that just sucks. The more practical answer is that he's not going to be calling down wide enough most of the time to profitably c/r and bet all 3 streets. It's also good for his if he double barrels a hand like JT that he would fold on the flop.



That sounds really odd to me. (I play mostly headsup, and recently 6m) I think once you peeled this flop they're not gonna try to bluff you out from middle pair or K high and they'll get a ton of freecards on the turn. I also don't think they'd fold JT on this flop, or anything with 2over to the eight. If you call with 8x here do you CR air ever? That would make your cr range really polarized.

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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It's not thin actually, you have around 65% here.



are we talking about the flop here? He's not calling down with JT is he?

Posted over 1 year ago

GGB

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are we talking about the flop here? He's not calling down with JT is he?



We should ask about this him. Smile
So you mean inducing with like AJ here is better than cring?

Edit: Okay, I guess it depends a lot on his postflop tendencies.

Posted over 1 year ago

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Nina, would you ever consider giving up on this turn? I feel like the K might be a good card to just c/f just because it hits his unpaired range the hardest.

Posted over 1 year ago

Juice

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Right table: I kind of expected you to barrell this river and I think in real time, I probably would have. Can you explain why you like a check better? Is he folding some of his Ax on the turn therefore its not appropriate to target them on the river? Is most of his unpaired range random peels that we might beat anyway? Do we never expect him to fold 6x or 7x?

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Juice

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Whats the lowest bluff catcher you would call with?

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If you do expect your opponent to value bet some A his, would you then fold this river?? And im curious why you didnt think this villain would, I think this board is a super easy value bet with AK AQ and maybe AJ against your 3 bet range.

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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Whats the lowest bluff catcher you would call with?



something that could beat a value bet. Probably bottom pair with a kicker.

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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Right table: I kind of expected you to barrell this river and I think in real time, I probably would have. Can you explain why you like a check better? Is he folding some of his Ax on the turn therefore its not appropriate to target them on the river? Is most of his unpaired range random peels that we might beat anyway? Do we never expect him to fold 6x or 7x?



expecting him to fold a pair is unreasonable. Turn bet is a mistake in hindsight. That card gives him a lot of incentive to call with a lot of hands. Getting c/r'd isn't fun either

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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If you do expect your opponent to value bet some A his, would you then fold this river?? And im curious why you didnt think this villain would, I think this board is a super easy value bet with AK AQ and maybe AJ against your 3 bet range.



absolutely. My river call was bad here.

Posted over 1 year ago

Juice

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Can you talk about the T6o on the right that you fold right away? Im probably overplaying hands in this spot but I would have considered floating or raising as a pure bluff with our backdoors and fake outs.

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NinaWilliams

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Can you talk about the T6o on the right that you fold right away? Im probably overplaying hands in this spot but I would have considered floating or raising as a pure bluff with our backdoors and fake outs.



bad spot for a number of reasons.

It's going to be an expensive bluff. This is the kind of board that you're going to have to fire 3 barrels on if you want to bluff.

Its also the kind of board that he hits a lot and can continue with a lot of hands.

Our backdoors are really weak. We do have some fake outs, but they hit him a decent amount too.

Posted over 1 year ago

motienko

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one answer is that it makes the turn really easy for him to play if he knows that your range for calling the flop is going to be really weak. We might be getting ourselves into a spot where we have to call 2-3 streets with 4x or K7, and that just sucks. The more practical answer is that he's not going to be calling down wide enough most of the time to profitably c/r and bet all 3 streets. It's also good for his if he double barrels a hand like JT that he would fold on the flop.



So then is this a stylistic thing? For example if you were a player whom attacks Ace high boards like these often with draws, air etc. then you should be CR your non Ace pairs as well. If this was the case in this hand then you would be giving up too much by not CR an 8 since the villian will be calling down lighter and sometimes playing back at you with worse.

I do have a question regarding the above paragraph. If you play this style, what paired hands should you be leaving in your check/call range? Or, do you not have a Check/call range? I suppose delay raising good hands as well as monsters once in a while would help out with balance here.

I suppose if you don't fall on one extreme or the other of styles that tayloring your play to the specific opponents tendencies seems to be ideal.

Posted over 1 year ago

NinaWilliams

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So then is this a stylistic thing? For example if you were a player whom attacks Ace high boards like these often with draws, air etc. then you should be CR your non Ace pairs as well. If this was the case in this hand then you would be giving up too much by not CR an 8 since the villian will be calling down lighter and sometimes playing back at you with worse.

I do have a question regarding the above paragraph. If you play this style, what paired hands should you be leaving in your check/call range? Or, do you not have a Check/call range? I suppose delay raising good hands as well as monsters once in a while would help out with balance here.

I suppose if you don't fall on one extreme or the other of styles that tayloring your play to the specific opponents tendencies seems to be ideal.




stop thinking about poker in terms of styles. Start thinking about it in terms of right plays and wrong plays.

He needs a really wide call down range and he also needs to not double barrel a lot for c/r'ing with 8x to be correct. If you want to actually balance your range you need to start with your value hands.

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