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Ghost: Jongreenway (#2) - 200NL 4-tabling

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Ghost: Jongreenway (#2) - 200NL 4-tabling by jongreenway

Jongreenway’s second ghost video takes us a little further into his game at 200nl. Playing against shortstackers and identifying typical shortstacker leaks as well as turn and river bet sizing are touched upon by incorporating the illusion of fold equity.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 60 minutes long
  • Posted almost 3 years ago

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Comments for Ghost: Jongreenway (#2) - 200NL 4-tabling

FlamingMoe86

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#1 Smile ...still downloading but already liked the 1th part

Posted over 3 years ago

lnxmac

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btw i think its how you pronounce "about", that people recognize that you are canadian

Posted over 3 years ago

danndann1

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DC, you should really something about that bandwidth... nasty download speed when full

Posted over 3 years ago

jestii

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Nice video! Liked the way you take up different kind of concpets through the video. Keep it up

Posted over 3 years ago

Jewlian

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bosshafter_boss

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first hand played first hand i dont like t8s... as you said 6% raise cbet he has a strong hand here always. So why not call flop call turn fold river unimproved. I dont see enough fold equity here to make a shove profitable and i dont see him folding when 1 of your draws arrive. I dont think you can create a range which he raises on the flop against which you can shove plus ev.

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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first hand played first hand i dont like t8s... as you said 6% raise cbet he has a strong hand here always. So why not call flop call turn fold river unimproved. I dont see enough fold equity here to make a shove profitable and i dont see him folding when 1 of your draws arrive. I dont think you can create a range which he raises on the flop against which you can shove plus ev.



You're probably right.

Posted over 3 years ago

caderousse

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This is another excellent vid from Jon. I especially enjoyed the shortstack commentary. Like you said in your first vid, these live videos are very "honest" compared to the record and audio later ones. I love em. Thanks again.

Posted over 3 years ago

modenl

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You're probably right.


Even if you have 42% equity, it's still a -ev shove.

Posted over 3 years ago

FlamingMoe86

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don't you think the AJo fold in the beginning against an unknown buttonopen is a little too nitty? even nits have like 20-25% button openrange and most of the time they won't put a lot of pressure on you so you get often to showdown...later on you fold A8s against a BU steal...here I would say it depends on the villain but if villain ain't very aggro I think we can often get away with 3betting/flatting here.

I wondered a little bit about you c/r size when you bluff the 24Q board: well I don't know if you make it in general <3x but to me it would look suspicius as you normally c/r with the intention to build a pot and protect your hand, so I would raise at least about 3,5x...anyway I don't think a Q24s board isn't the best against a thinking oponent b/c you can't repp that much and villain has a easy play

well besides of those points again a nice vid and good comentary!

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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don't you think the AJo fold in the beginning against an unknown buttonopen is a little too nitty? even nits have like 20-25% button openrange and most of the time they won't put a lot of pressure on you so you get often to showdown...later on you fold A8s against a BU steal...here I would say it depends on the villain but if villain ain't very aggro I think we can often get away with 3betting/flatting here.

I wondered a little bit about you c/r size when you bluff the 24Q board: well I don't know if you make it in general <3x but to me it would look suspicius as you normally c/r with the intention to build a pot and protect your hand, so I would raise at least about 3,5x...anyway I don't think a Q24s board isn't the best against a thinking oponent b/c you can't repp that much and villain has a easy play

well besides of those points again a nice vid and good comentary!



Raising bets at least 3.5x is definitely a leak imo.

Posted over 3 years ago

FlamingMoe86

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nice answer explaining all my questions

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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How can you assume a 20-25% opening range against someone you have less than 25 hands on and is playing 23/8? How the heck are you going to play a hand like AJo post flop against someone like this? If you know someone has a 20-25% opening range and you know their fold to 3 bet stat, then sure go ahead. But based on what we know it's ridiculous to assume what you assume based on what we know.

Folding A8ss to a button steal is completely standard. 3 betting a hand like A8ss vs a button steal is really sticky since you are turning your hand into a bluff and never know where you are at post flop. Much rather have a hand that is like 108ss to 3 bet since it is easy to know whether you are 3 betting for value or as a bluff. I don't remember the hand so give me a time stamp if you would like more of my thoughts on that hand.

As for the bluff on Q42 board I always raise less than 3x so to me, it's standard and can't be transparent as a bluff.

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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nice answer explaining all my questions



Was 12 tabling and intended on coming back to it but forgot

Posted over 3 years ago

FlamingMoe86

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yeah it was no ofense , I don't expect from nobody writing strategic essays while grinding...

well the betsize is one issue but don't you think the Q24s board isn't that great to make a one barrel c/r bluff? In villains shoes I would def. call any pair, any kind of draw, maybe even A high with backdoordraws, so by giving up on the turn with a hand without showdownvalue this doesn't look like a +ev play.

Posted over 3 years ago

LeffeBlonde

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Can you explain the betsizing in the 666 hand near the end of the video, 55+ minutes in? He bet 10, you raised to 26 so he has only 16 to call into 49. I'm not sure what the goal of that bet is.

Really enjoyed these first 2 videos.

Posted over 3 years ago

psstsaygirl

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Folding A8ss to a button steal is completely standard. 3 betting a hand like A8ss vs a button steal is really sticky since you are turning your hand into a bluff and never know where you are at post flop. Much rather have a hand that is like 108ss to 3 bet since it is easy to know whether you are 3 betting for value or as a bluff. I don't remember the hand so give me a time stamp if you would like more of my thoughts on that hand.



I couldn't disagree with this more. Not attacking you or anything, but in a 3-bet pot I think that having a hand that will make top pair is much better than having ten high. With ace high, you can have a lot more equity in most 3b pots and you will make top pair more often.

3-b pots play a lot like tournaments. Top pair usually will be more valuable than a draw in a 3-b pot.

I would much rather be 3b'ing a hand like a-xs to balance my range with than 10-8s. I think 10-8s actually plays well post flop and raising it and getting blown off a hand that can make a lot of disguised draws pre-flop is definitely not the best way to go.

Bottom line is you have ten high in a 3-bet pot. In no way is a8s a "standard" fold and in my opinion it's a great hand to 3-bet even 100bb deep. Obviously 3-betting this hand deep is even better.

A8s is going to have probably 10% more equity over 10-8s against any sort of decent calling range.

I thought your video was solid and I hope you keep them coming Jon, glad to see you in the DC line-up.

GL

Posted over 3 years ago

amarillotg

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kalle

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why don"t you expect villain to sec. barrel, when an A comes on the turn(you call a 3bet ip with JJ--min. 8) isnt it profitable to sec. barrel if you are folding JJ?
and what are you doing on a blank turn if he barrels?

Posted about 3 years ago

Donktard

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man you sound way dishearten in this vid when you were running bad unlike in the 1st vid where you were running ok/good.

great vids though. Some of the best ive seen.

Posted almost 3 years ago



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