Poker Video: Misc/Other by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Very interesting stuff, keep the triple draw content coming.

Concerning the hand where you c/r after the 1st draw and pat 87432 oop 4-ways vs people drawing 1 I think I always c/c and draw 1 trying to make a 7. Am I making a big mistake here? How close of a spot is it?

The hand where you get dealt a wheel in the BB makes me realize I know very very little about the maths of this game. How likely is it to get dealt one specific 5-card hand predraw? More interestingly how likely is it to get dealt a 2-card draw to a 7? how likely is it to make a 7 by the end then?
I would be very interested in seeing those kind of numbers, does anyone knows where I can find resources about triple draw mathmatics?

yay, very excited

dakaj, breaking a #10 if you think people are drawing is awful with 2 draws to go regardless of how many people are in imo.

great vid, it was very helpful.

yay, very excited

dakaj, breaking a #10 if you think people are drawing is awful with 2 draws to go regardless of how many people are in imo.

Is it really that awfull? We are up against 3 opponents who are drawing 1 so with 2 draws to go one of them will make a better hand than our 87 a heck of a lot, but we have a 1 card draw to a very strong hand so maybe we can consider breaking the 87 now?

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Any particular reason you don't 3-bet 234xx vs a SB open in the BB?

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i thought you would 3bet all your 2cd bvb. that's what you said in a post not too long ago.

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you don't think he bets his 2cd here? or do you fold because his 2cd are very strong?

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what hand do you expect him to bet on the end that doesnt beat your hand? the better nines?

Thanks DD !! Been waiting for new Triple Draw material from you !

Is it really that awfull? We are up against 3 opponents who are drawing 1 so with 2 draws to go one of them will make a better hand than our 87 a heck of a lot, but we have a 1 card draw to a very strong hand so maybe we can consider breaking the 87 now?

No they really won't. First reason is because some of them are drawing dead to 23478 at least some of the time, second reason is card removal from multiple opponents continuing with fairly legitimate draws.

Any particular reason you don't 3-bet 234xx vs a SB open in the BB?

Thought about this spot a lot and my observation is a lot of regs just aren't opening SB and drawing 3 into me nearly as often as I would like. If they aren't doing that I don't think I have much of an edge 3 betting my full 2-draw range considering I am defending stuff like 678. If they open and take 3 a lot I do switch and 3 bet my 3 card hands.

you don't think he bets his 2cd here? or do you fold because his 2cd are very strong?

No I think he only bets improvement

what hand do you expect him to bet on the end that doesnt beat your hand? the better nines?

Honestly I don't even understand this question, he went 2 to pat, I froze, I have 23678, there are several worse 8s he can have along with plenty of good 9s. If I am him I probably bet 97 there just because it might be the "best" of the options available of c/c, c/f, or bet. By "best" I mean it will lose the least as he should lose money in that spot with a 97 regardless I think.

I'm only about 10 mins in, but I found the audio to have a lot of static in the background. It doesn't the affect the audio much, just a minor annoyance, but was wondering if anyone else was having this problem. (Note: its the .wmv file and is present using both VLC & Windows media Player)

If I remember right I had some static at the beginning of the video but it clears up after a few min, so maybe that's it and hopefully later in the video its not an issue.

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You talk about a possible river Ch/R. Seems like there aren't very many hands Enon can have that should value bet the river given your most likely hand is a very rough pat hand that can't pay off a river bet anyways, (I'm assuming you don't ever expect Enon to take this line as some sort of elaborate snow that would require you to bluff catch).

Couple preflop spots..

I) You fold 843xx in HJ on the left table, but then later open 842xx in the HJ and 872xx UTG. I'm not sure, but I think I would rather have 843xx than 872xx. Is the presence of the deuce really enough?

II) You fold 8743x UTG on the right table, but again open 872xx UTG. If your not opening 8743x, whats the worse 8ww3x draws are you opening?

You talk about a possible river Ch/R. Seems like there aren't very many hands Enon can have that should value bet the river given your most likely hand is a very rough pat hand that can't pay off a river bet anyways, (I'm assuming you don't ever expect Enon to take this line as some sort of elaborate snow that would require you to bluff catch).

Yes I think he could snow here, it would be a pretty good snow. I also think my image is that I would CR here kinda light and then c/c or c/f the river so he has incentive to just freeze and then value bet river. And continuing down that road of leveling I could then CR bluff river with some pat tens and jacks and crap so he'd have to consider paying off a weakish 8.

Couple preflop spots..

I) You fold 843xx in HJ on the left table, but then later open 842xx in the HJ and 872xx UTG. I'm not sure, but I think I would rather have 843xx than 872xx. Is the presence of the deuce really enough?

II) You fold 8743x UTG on the right table, but again open 872xx UTG. If your not opening 8743x, whats the worse 8ww3x draws are you opening?

Opening 872 sounds bad, if I did that I think its a mistake. I agree with you I'd rather have 843 but I only open 842 there.

I'd open 3458

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Wtf did you just fold 5666 on the button?

Wtf did you just fold 5666 on the button?

Probably that hand is bad

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Interesting point! Usually when I see somebody play a hand like this and show it down, I take a note of them patting rough early and adjust accordingly, but perhaps I should give them more credit for it.

Also, my initial preference was to check back the river rather than bluff bet it, but if we assume that he's leading into us with his stronger hands and folding jacks/tens/bad 9's to the bet, then I think the bluff is better. Also, with 5BB in the pot already, we gain more EV with a successful bluff than we lose from an unsuccessful one.

Now, if he's checkraising or check-calling his strong hands because he thinks we'll bet the river most of the time, it probably is better to check back and realize our equity.

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Hey Chris,

is this a standard valuebet with 87432 against more straightforward players too, or is this just because of the high stakes thinking players who you assume would bluffcatch more? If so, whats the worst hand youre valuebettine here with?

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Any point in raising the flop here trying to charge arbianight if missed? What about the same situation if we had 4 cards to a wheel?

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You open fold a 346 from the cutoff for the 2nd time, but you raised 347 before. Does the 7 make such a big difference here?

You open fold a 346 from the cutoff for the 2nd time, but you raised 347 before. Does the 7 make such a big difference here?

Yes! With 347 we can catch 2 cards (2,8) to a pleasant 1cd and 2 (5,6) to a modest 1cd, but with 346 there's only 1 clean one (8) and 2 modest ones (2,7).

On the btn I'd open either, but I like DD's choices in the CO.

You open fold a 346 from the cutoff for the 2nd time, but you raised 347 before. Does the 7 make such a big difference here?

Yeah you should be thinking of your 2 card draws as draws to 1 card draw and just weigh up how differently they play depending on the cards you catch:

2: 2347 v 2346 (weaker)
5: 3457 vs 3456 (significantly weaker)
6/7: 3467 vs 3467 (the same)
8: 3478 vs 3468 (slightly stronger)

Considering one of your 4 cards with 346 is an open ender that decreases it's viability hugely.

Hey Chris,

is this a standard valuebet with 87432 against more straightforward players too, or is this just because of the high stakes thinking players who you assume would bluffcatch more? If so, whats the worst hand youre valuebettine here with?

I think in that spot with the pot being bloated and me showing so much strength I might get crying calls / bluff catcher calls from worse, and I can pretty safely fold to a raise. I don't really CR field on turn with too many worse hands so I guess that's near the bottom of it.

Any point in raising the flop here trying to charge arbianight if missed? What about the same situation if we had 4 cards to a wheel?

A little point to it, buying the button would be cool, but a lot of things have to work out right, and oogee benefits a lot from my raise too, plus gets to jam me the times he's pat like he was that hand. Doesn't really matter if I have wheel draw or not imo

Good timing that I decide to check DC for the first time in a while and find this video just uploaded. I'm really enjoying it so far.

I'm pretty confused 30 minutes in about the 2278x starting hand vs oog. Why call one bet with the 2678 draw but then fold instead of just drawing to it again or ditching the 8 and trying to pick up a seven draw.

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I think the turn cap is pretty bad here considering you just raised on the previous street and broke 1...I think a 567 is the bottom of his turn 3 bet range

I think the turn cap is pretty bad here considering you just raised on the previous street and broke 1...I think a 567 is the bottom of his turn 3 bet range

You are probably right, those narrow range situations are kinda hard, I mean it might be the case that num 3 is a bad cap but num 2 is a crystal clear cap, simply because both are ranges are so well defined there is a clear combinatoric barrier at that point.

You are probably right, those narrow range situations are kinda hard, I mean it might be the case that num 3 is a bad cap but num 2 is a crystal clear cap, simply because both are ranges are so well defined there is a clear combinatoric barrier at that point.

I also think the cap is bad for the reasons the both of you stated.

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How close would you say a fold to a raise is in this spot?
Would you agree with the assumption that he'd raise there with any 875? And if so, might you reconsider calling a raise there, getting 8:1 odds?

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folding the one card 8743 draw UTG?

How close would you say a fold to a raise is in this spot?
Would you agree with the assumption that he'd raise there with any 875? And if so, might you reconsider calling a raise there, getting 8:1 odds?

I think in general that is the range people raise there but this particular player I think would freeze with a lot of 8s that I think are a little too good to freeze. So I think he just raises a premium range there that we are drawing dead against too often.

folding the one card 8743 draw UTG?

Standard that hand sucks