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Ghost: Jongreenway (#1) - 200NL 4-tabling by jongreenway

Jongreenway debuts his first video with us. He plays 4 tables of 200NL and goes through an introduction to his play and philosophies at those stakes.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 64 minutes long
  • Posted almost 3 years ago

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Comments for Ghost: Jongreenway (#1) - 200NL 4-tabling

MiheljoX

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Ulkis

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WMV file is bad, no picture and size is very small.

Posted over 3 years ago

serendibz

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solid playing style, but aren't you folding too much to 3 bets?

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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solid playing style, but aren't you folding too much to 3 bets?



I agree I folded to a lot of 3 bets in this video, but given the spots I was in I think it was the best play (OOP a lot, Hands that are domainted a lot, not enough post flop reads on my opponents, etc)

Posted over 3 years ago

lnxmac

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Nice first video. I really like your style, especially some of your TP lines you took.

What do you have in mind for a masstabling video ? Because i really hate it when the tables overlap Grin You could also talk a little bit about bankroll,tilt etc. like mdm13 did, in his 3rd video, as somebody how masstables ssnl/msnl for a living.

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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Nice first video. I really like your style, especially some of your TP lines you took.

What do you have in mind for a masstabling video ? Because i really hate it when the tables overlap Grin You could also talk a little bit about bankroll,tilt etc. like mdm13 did, in his 3rd video, as somebody how masstables ssnl/msnl for a living.



Thanks for the suggestions/comments. I wouldn't overlap tables, just resize a little smaller and hopefully fit it for a size that is viewable on here.

Posted over 3 years ago

yeahthatsme

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lshfjhsjdgdk.sfhfjksh Frown

I'll have more to say later.

Posted over 3 years ago

fslexcduck

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I watched a little bit... pretty solid. One criticism I have though is 3betting JJ UTG+1 against an UTG raiser... it's turning your hand into 72o and really should not be the standard play. The ATs 3bet I also disagreed with even though "the guy on the button might squeeze a lot," because if that's the case, then just backraise over him... the point is ATs plays really well in position to a wide opening range, so why not just play it?

Posted over 3 years ago

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We're working on releasing a new WMV. FWIW, all PC users can watch the MP4 version as well, just download it and use VLC (www.videolan.org) to watch it. Smaller filesize, better quality, overall very +EV decision IMO. Smile

Rob

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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I watched a little bit... pretty solid. One criticism I have though is 3betting JJ UTG+1 against an UTG raiser... it's turning your hand into 72o and really should not be the standard play. The ATs 3bet I also disagreed with even though "the guy on the button might squeeze a lot," because if that's the case, then just backraise over him... the point is ATs plays really well in position to a wide opening range, so why not just play it?



3betting UTG+1 with JJ isn't a standard play I make all the time. It's dependent on UTG EP raise % and their reactions to 3bets. I don't remember the specific hand (and I can't see the video right now since I'm on phone line internet (lol)), but I take all that into consideration before I make the 3bet so I'm sure I had my reasons...

Posted over 3 years ago

orange

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wrt table 2 w/ QJo v. transkilla deep on the 985 board (something like that?) i would typically bet the flop. you want your range to incorporate as many hands as possible, and w/ 2 overs and a gutter i think this flop is a fine one to bet, especially when deep. there are plenty of turns that you can continue on and he could very well c/c some sort of 77 type hand. also agreed with duck on the other comments. anyways, only watched a little bit of this (and have lame spanish hw) so i'll finish it later Poke Tongue nice vid.

Posted over 3 years ago

WeekendWarrior

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At 17min, on the 78786 board, you fold to his 20$ in 15 bet.
You say something like even a draw like 9T got there, but you beat that one cause you have a flush.

Posted over 3 years ago

dispatch3d

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hey,

I think you are pretty much obligated to defend KQhh against an aggressive 3bettor. I realize it isn't a really sweet situation or anything but I always feel pretty much compelled to defend there.

The 97 hand, bet turn? You can get value from worse draws/he MIGHT fold better (unlikely tho and generally I hate these two way bets) not to mention check/calling or check/raising isnt a particularly good option. I really think on the river your choices are between check/call and check/fold. His timing would make me not want to look him up. I think he has an OK 8x hand there or 99/TT a ton. Check raising a made hand from your perspective is pretty fishy looking. If you want to bluff I think it should be with an overbet shove.

edit: actually thinking about it check/raising is credible considering he's likely to valuebet any decent hand he snap checked turn with and some bluffs. I just dont really love the stacks for it.

Checking back AK is going to polarize your range a lot on a45r boards against that 25/20 thinking guy. He's very likely to check/raise bluff you much more often in the future. Granted there weren't a ton of check/raisable hands in his range at the time/ppl tend to bluff differently but just as a fair warning if your cbet range is air/sets you'll be in trouble. And yeah delay cbetting works there too but if you do it every time they'll just start betting the turn on you.

Posted over 3 years ago

Monsternut

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I really would enjoy an multitabling vid on NL50. Guess 8 tables would be nice

Posted over 3 years ago

richbrown

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27 min, nice hero call on the 4flush board. tough spot, what do you think about just shoving river instead?

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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At 17min, on the 78786 board, you fold to his 20$ in 15 bet.
You say something like even a draw like 9T got there, but you beat that one cause you have a flush.



EDIT : I remember what I meant to say. I meant to say the only thing he is betting here for value that I beat is 109 but I don't see anyone overbetting with that hand. Even flush got there (which I don't beat a flush), so air is the only thing I beat.

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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wrt table 2 w/ QJo v. transkilla deep on the 985 board (something like that?) i would typically bet the flop. you want your range to incorporate as many hands as possible, and w/ 2 overs and a gutter i think this flop is a fine one to bet, especially when deep. there are plenty of turns that you can continue on and he could very well c/c some sort of 77 type hand. also agreed with duck on the other comments. anyways, only watched a little bit of this (and have lame spanish hw) so i'll finish it later Poke Tongue nice vid.



I agree - but vs Transkilla I know he is capable of bluff raising flops and this is a flop that will definitely hit his pre flop calling range given he called OOP in SB (i believe). I also didn't feel comfortable double or triple barrelling so I felt it was the best line (although the weakest too Poke Tongue)

Posted over 3 years ago

JammyJenny

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At 17min, on the 78786 board, you fold to his 20$ in 15 bet.
You say something like even a draw like 9T got there, but you beat that one cause you have a flush.



yeah he made 1 mistake in his commentary. thats it lol. stop nitpicking.

A fantastic video and so easy to relate to, you play a slightly more in-line game than me but the way you handle opponent specific hand details and your use of HEM was top drawer. One of the most impressive 6max vids iv seen on here for a good while. Keep up the good work.

Also, the 79hh hand at the end, cr shove river all day long!!! 100% if u werent about to wrap the video you woulda! Wink

Posted over 3 years ago

arnz18

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vn jon whens the next vid come out?

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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vn jon whens the next vid come out?



Nothing is scheduled as of yet but time will tell Poke Tongue

Posted over 3 years ago

rrosedelay

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Great Video Jon, thanks for the insights. You give great commentary, keep the chatter going and keep it relevant, and I like how opponent-specific you tailor your game/commentary. Hero call w/top 2 on the 4 flush river based on a timing tell was pretty sweet.

One question: 45 mins in on table 3 you fold your isolation-raise KQs from CO to a 3bet from the SB; then toward the end of the vid (table 3 again) you open 97s from the button, get 3bet from the SB, then shut out by a cold 4bet from BB. But you say if BB had folded you would have considered flatting in that spot. I don't get folding KQs from CO to a 3bet, but calling w 97s from button (obv., this is villain/dynamic specific, but I don't remember anything about villains you mentioned to justify that) so if you have time I'm curious to know your thoughts here.

Maybe it's a question of raise/pot size? First hand it was costing you I think $23 into a $47 pot, second hand $12 into a $26 pot, so you'd have a bit more room to maneuver in hand two.

Posted over 3 years ago

WeekendWarrior

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EDIT : I remember what I meant to say. I meant to say the only thing he is betting here for value that I beat is 109 but I don't see anyone overbetting with that hand. Even flush got there (which I don't beat a flush), so air is the only thing I beat.



Ah i see this makes it clear, thanks.
Really good video as well, learned allot from it Smile
Keep it up, hope to see more vids!!

Posted over 3 years ago

Q_caine

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just some thoughts:

th topic about deviating stats when playing people HU is not a big deal, you should filter out hands based on how short you are anyways imo.

then you said at some point that you like to play at times when there are more europeans online. for me as an european that sounds kinda odd, because I prefer playing at times when there are more americans on Wink

Posted over 3 years ago

amarillotg

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really loved the vid jon.

i was going to ask a similar question to what vanessa had commented on, at the 53 min mark you squeeze an mp open and co cc w/ TT otb. can you explain you're reasoning for raising there rather than calling?

more vids just like this would be great but i'd also be interested in a mass tabling video.

tg

Posted over 3 years ago

kenny-

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Really great video. Keep up the good work and I hope, we would see more videos from you in the future.

Posted over 3 years ago

rrayden

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Jon, nice video etc.

One question kinda baffles me (or whatever that's called lol): why do you still keep playing at 1-2 and haven't moved up like... ages ago even? I'm pretty sure you could beat even 5-10, not to mention 2-4... You have the bankroll, you have the skill, the right state of mind, everything imo. Well I'm just starting at 1-2 so I'm rly curious... is there such a gap between 1-2 and 2-4 as some say? What's your opinion on this? I know there are also more than a handful of rly good players crushing 1-2 for months and not moving up (bamyeah, jballer, etc) so I'm pretty confused about this.

Ehm btw sry if this is offtopic Frown

Posted over 3 years ago

dw33p

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Nice video. A little note about the stats. You can set holdem manager so that it only displays the statistics from hands played between X and Y players. This means heads up stats etc are not displayed when you play with 5 people and thus you dont have to worrie about the fact that you played heads-up on some table with someone for a few hours.

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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Nice video. A little note about the stats. You can set holdem manager so that it only displays the statistics from hands played between X and Y players. This means heads up stats etc are not displayed when you play with 5 people and thus you dont have to worrie about the fact that you played heads-up on some table with someone for a few hours.



TY. I didn't know that Smile

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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Nice video. A little note about the stats. You can set holdem manager so that it only displays the statistics from hands played between X and Y players. This means heads up stats etc are not displayed when you play with 5 people and thus you dont have to worrie about the fact that you played heads-up on some table with someone for a few hours.



I havn't moved up because I've always wanted to be a very qualified coach for DC at 200nl (hehe). On a more serious note, I have my personal reasons along with my own goals which have resulted in my 200nl'ing forever. Things may change in the future, we shall see Smile

Posted over 3 years ago

DubsterVR6

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Go Canada...I knew you were Canadian when you said "about" LOL man its true what the americans say... I caught it

Posted over 3 years ago

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This was one of the best Ghost vids in a long time. I really hope DC gets you to make more! I'd love to see one at 100NL. Thanks again.

Posted over 3 years ago

jongreenway

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Go Canada...I knew you were Canadian when you said "about" LOL man its true what the americans say... I caught it



Good read sir!

Posted over 3 years ago

Trillos

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Nice video. Hope to see more videos from you soon.

I totally agree with you on the fact that delayed commentary normally aint that good.
Playing more tables doesnt sound good imo tho.

Best videos in my oppinion are those with 2 people, either coach/coach or coach/coachee(lol?). They seem to shine as both delayed commentary, handhistory review and live play.

Posted over 3 years ago

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solid video, great commentary throughout

Posted over 3 years ago

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Jon, very nice video, thank you.

I wanted to ask a question about the 97h hand about 1h2m into the vid...you said you wanted to save the hand for later and discuss it. I totally understand calling his river bet on the board as is, but you said that you wanted to shove. That's the part I don't get. Why is shoving>>>fold>>>>call?

Thanks and I hope to see move videos from you.

Posted over 3 years ago

DeucesOnCrack

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I liked!
can you elaborate on why you choose to make your 3bet sizes this big?
I prefer to make it like 3x in position and a little bigger oop and I'm not sure if it should be bigger

Posted over 3 years ago

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I watched a little bit... pretty solid. One criticism I have though is 3betting JJ UTG+1 against an UTG raiser... it's turning your hand into 72o and really should not be the standard play. The ATs 3bet I also disagreed with even though "the guy on the button might squeeze a lot," because if that's the case, then just backraise over him... the point is ATs plays really well in position to a wide opening range, so why not just play it?



What about the squeeze with TT at minute 53. I think that is essentially a similar concept to what Vanessa mentioned. With TT, it's alright to see the flop because of the implied value; however, by squeezing, you open yourself up to being 4bet/shoved in which you have a marginal holding and usually have to fold (as in the video). Comments?

Also, aren't you from Burlington?

Posted over 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:12:09

just fyi...when you open a new table, click wait for bb, then click play now, you have to click wait for bb again...hence "play NOW"

Smile

Posted about 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:21:30

meh i wanted you to squeeze table 2 but it looks like he's only opening 13% overall and folding to 33% of 3-bets so nevermind...i really like this new video feature though Horseshoe

Posted about 3 years ago

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Something of note in the KQ hand Townsend did a video about raising TPGK type hands there on the button to less polarize your range and make you harder to read. vs good opponents. Opinions?

Posted almost 3 years ago



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