Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:16:33

Thoughts on folding the weakest Ax hands right on the flop? I like it..

Great video, you should definitely do more videos together!

Time Link to 00:28:08

a raise here seems pretty sexy actually. If villain is thinking(i'd assume he is given how he played 99 in that spot, even if i disagree with it), he'll know that there's very little you can be bluffing with. Also, even if he doesn't fold overpairs always, he'll fold most of his thin value hands that you lose to.

Time Link to 00:16:04

I'm with DD here I'd much rather keep small pairs in my c/c range then c/r with them (though I liked the talk on potentially donking 100% here) and I also personally don't think we're going to be making a good call on non-improving turns with naked Ahi vs his turn betting range. Having said that the only normal AX unpaired and undrawed on this flop are A2 and A3. I'm not sure what I'd do with ATo here if c/c'ing on the BB and facing a blank turn though. I'd probably instinctivly call but I'm thinking that should likely be a fold too unless I'm against a typical 2-barrels his whole range all the time unthinking lag type.

Time Link to 00:47:47

You could of just changed your turtles expression to happy here. I think that could of been subtle enough for him to start tilting his balls off.

What's so good about this video is that you guys disagree so much, then try and justify your positions. It encourages the viewer to do the same and weight up the points/counter-points presented. It's much more engaging and rewarding to the viewer.

Tangentially speaking, I would love to see more 2-coach videos like this. It's what makes the Five's a Crowd videos still standard out as DC limit classics imo. Now the only thing about this vid is that you are both serious winningest players, and so usually the result is "well it doesn't really matter that much" and comes down to a question of style or how you would perceive villains possible response/range. (as Tommy Angelo says, the things you discuss the most are those that likely matter the least). That doesn't mean the video has less use (for the viewer it's still great to hear 2 minds approach a situation and each factor of consideration is brought in and weighted).

It would also be great to see more back-and-forth in student-coach videos. A lot of it is made up of the coach dictates and the student says "yeah I see that now". I think the recent Old Dog series would have been more engaging if JT had asked more "But why?" type questions. As the addage goes, the best way to get the most out of poker coaching is to ask your coach tougher questions. The same applies here to videos imo.

Aaaanyway digressively speaking, great video

Thoughts on folding the weakest Ax hands right on the flop? I like it..

Yes it's something that I honestly don't think about enough, but as you play tougher and tougher opponents, giving up some of your weakest hands on the flop has to be good, because we just get outplayed a ton on boards like this. Speaking truthfully, I haven't incorporated enough of it into my game, but I think it's definitely something that should be given a lot of merit going forward.

a raise here seems pretty sexy actually. If villain is thinking(i'd assume he is given how he played 99 in that spot, even if i disagree with it), he'll know that there's very little you can be bluffing with. Also, even if he doesn't fold overpairs always, he'll fold most of his thin value hands that you lose to.

I'm confused, because I don't really think he is going to fold very many pairs here because he will put me on 79 or a spade draw and call down. I think if we raise here, it's mainly for value against his calling range. Maybe I didn't fully understand your point Nina. Of course whether we have value is something DD and I disagreed some on.

Time Link to 00:10:33

Regarding Spazoo's checking behind w/ overpair 99 on flop costing him a bet: he got 3 bets in on the turn.

I'm confused, because I don't really think he is going to fold very many pairs here because he will put me on 79 or a spade draw and call down. I think if we raise here, it's mainly for value against his calling range. Maybe I didn't fully understand your point Nina. Of course whether we have value is something DD and I disagreed some on.

i'm talking about the river.

Regarding Spazoo's checking behind w/ overpair 99 on flop costing him a bet: he got 3 bets in on the turn.

Yeah anarchypoker checkraised/called down, but thats an extreme rare outcome imo. Not flop betting is just bad?

Yeah anarchypoker checkraised/called down, but thats an extreme rare outcome imo. Not flop betting is just bad?

Darn it I missed that when we were looking at the video. Shrug he might know his man really well? I don't think we should all go out and start taking that line with overpairs but its gotta be tough to play against

Time Link to 00:19:49

More than 6 outs here - if he has a hand like AJo he's got 8 outs (4 to 1/2 pot + 6 to win). I definitely like a bet here.

Rob

Time Link to 00:25:38

Could just be metagame but I'd be a lot more inclined to raise the flop here. The biggest thing is you've been involved in a ton of pots recently (T5o, A4o, TT) and at some point I'd rather give people a chance to think I'm likely to be playing a bit tilty/overaggressive. This board matches the sort of board where I can get played back at a bit wider, and where I'd expect someone to think I'm raising semibluffs a lot more frequently than I normally am.

In a typical situation I'd still be considering raising a lot of turns here rather than the flop, but here I think flop raise is best. If I were HJ rather than CO I'd wait for the turn more often. The other issue with waiting for the turn is there are a lot more turn cards where it's too likely to hit your turn value raising range (9, 7, Q, J), so you can't raise as often as you might want and miss a hand that's actually higher up in your value range than you might think.

I don't hate any option other than folding here but I strongly disagree that raising the flop is the worst.

Rob

Time Link to 00:52:59

It's a sign of strength for him to c/r this flop, but the presence of the other player shortstacked + a double broadway board makes it much more likely he could c/r a wide range of single pairs + gutters (KJ, QT, JT, QQ, JJ) in addition to his standard strong value c/r range.

Fescher's 3-bet is def. scary but I actually think I like a cap here partially to freeze the action and partially for value.

Rob

Time Link to 00:54:42

I think when the pot's big, and I'm not sure...I just bet.

I agree. I think it also helps us avoid weird spots on the river blanks a bit more. T9 is the hand I'm most worried about and I'm not worried about that as it allows me to bet the turn and check the river since there's no way he can c/r that (and he might actually fold it).

Rob

i'm talking about the river.

River raise is sexy indeed. However, I would expect Spazz00 (right or wrong) to think we would be semibluffing our hand earlier and he might be more inclined to call, but tbh I'm not really sure.

River raise is sexy indeed. However, I would expect Spazz00 (right or wrong) to think we would be semibluffing our hand earlier and he might be more inclined to call, but tbh I'm not really sure.

maybe, but we also don't have that many hands that can bluff this river.

Zwei thumbs up!

At first I was bummed out that it was only a single table video, but the game texture was perfect for good discussion.

I forgot to ask about your(and DD's) defending ranges from the BB versus a very solid HJ(AnarchyPoker) open and a fishy SB cold call.

I was very surprised that you defended T5o w/o much thought.

spazz00 is easily the best player on the table there

spazz00 is easily the best player on the table there

Nobody said anything to the contrary (I know who he is) - but when you are trying to teach poker to people and you see a good player take a strange line, its worth commenting on the pros and cons of the line for people to hopefully learn from.

Time Link to 00:57:24

If you guys are calling this flop I assume you plan on calling down most of the time, no? I kind of like calling also but its pretty close considering we still lose to KJ and KQ. What's the worst K high you'd call with here?

spazz00 is easily the best player on the table there

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