Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by NinaWilliams (High Stakes)

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I'm just gonna go ahead and assume the constant background noise is you shuffling cards/counting money and think no further about it

It could be worse I guess you could have folded it.

I'm just gonna go ahead and assume the constant background noise is you shuffling cards/counting money and think no further about it

shuffling cards is a really bad nervous habit of mine. I'm shocked that the audio picked it up. But I guess the mic picks up EVERYTHING.

god i'm never going to hear the end of this

I'm glad we didn't hear the end of it, ifffffffff you know what i mean

shuffling cards is a really bad nervous habit of mine. I'm shocked that the audio picked it up. But I guess the mic picks up EVERYTHING.

I think it's an MTG habit, when I played I did the same a ton, if there was a deck of cards around IT WAS SHUFFLED!!

Bah the tables overlapping is annoying.

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You mention here it's a bad idea to 3! bet weak/showdownable hands like A7o in BvB.

My reasoning goes the other way - A7 has inherent SD value vs. a SB open, so by bloating the pot preflop, I make it easier to get to SD and more difficult for SB to bluff since I'm priced in to a call down.

Can you comment on how my reasoning is flawed, or is it just another way to approach the situation, but also valid?

You mention here it's a bad idea to 3! bet weak/showdownable hands like A7o in BvB.

My reasoning goes the other way - A7 has inherent SD value vs. a SB open, so by bloating the pot preflop, I make it easier to get to SD and more difficult for SB to bluff since I'm priced in to a call down.

Can you comment on how my reasoning is flawed, or is it just another way to approach the situation, but also valid?

I'm new to LHE, but this thinking seems flawed because it sounds like you are jamming $ into the pot early just so you can justify calling down on later streets. That doesn't seem like a good reason to 3b. However, you do make a good point that the bigger the pot, the less likely villain might be to bluff since we will call more often. I just think we should be putting more money into the pot with better reasons.

I'm coming from a NLHE background here, but this seems like a spot where you would 3b stronger for value or weaker as a bluff, but considering the slightly above average strength of this hand, we should try to keep the pot small and just call.

Again, I'm new to LHE so this is all just what makes sense to me.

I like how you have MODO in the background.

I like how you have MODO in the background.

Is that the program in the background in the beginning? I was going to ask what that was. Seemed like some table selection tool. What is modo?

I would second the overlapping tables being annoying - as a viewer I would certainly appreciate tiled next time! But minus that and teh shucker-shucking, it's an excellent video.

The big hand that suprised me/i would play differently is when you had like Q4 in the 3-way pot on a QQx board and johnny-passivofish bet-3bet the flop and snap-capped, it seemed like you were well behind the guys range. I need to look back over the vid and have a good think about that.

3 tabling high stakes SH FL - and the same time explaining it for a video - can be quite stressful - so overlooking a straitflush, and a mis-donking is forgiveable.

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Reputation confirmed destroyed. Calling with straight flushes, nit.

I'm new to LHE, but this thinking seems flawed because it sounds like you are jamming $ into the pot early just so you can justify calling down on later streets. That doesn't seem like a good reason to 3b. However, you do make a good point that the bigger the pot, the less likely villain might be to bluff since we will call more often. I just think we should be putting more money into the pot with better reasons.

I'm coming from a NLHE background here, but this seems like a spot where you would 3b stronger for value or weaker as a bluff, but considering the slightly above average strength of this hand, we should try to keep the pot small and just call.

Again, I'm new to LHE so this is all just what makes sense to me.

actually A7o is a monster against typical SB steal range. So I like 3betting it for value

Is that the program in the background in the beginning? I was going to ask what that was. Seemed like some table selection tool. What is modo?

Its magic:the gathering online. I tend to forget to minimize it which isn't usually problematic unless of course I'm making a video.

You mention here it's a bad idea to 3! bet weak/showdownable hands like A7o in BvB.

My reasoning goes the other way - A7 has inherent SD value vs. a SB open, so by bloating the pot preflop, I make it easier to get to SD and more difficult for SB to bluff since I'm priced in to a call down.

Can you comment on how my reasoning is flawed, or is it just another way to approach the situation, but also valid?

Well, the problem with this is that when you 3b and get to showdown, you're not winning the pot as often as if you had just called. This is because he's not going to call down with air hands that he will bet.

Also, we want villain to bluff when we're calling down. It's good for us.

Well, the problem with this is that when you 3b and get to showdown, you're not winning the pot as often as if you had just called. This is because he's not going to call down with air hands that he will bet.

Also, we want villain to bluff when we're calling down. It's good for us.

so, what are you 3betting BB vs SB? what is your weakest unsuited ace here?

I SWEAR I HAVEN'T RUN THIS GOOD IN AT LEAST THREE YEA-

so, what are you 3betting BB vs SB? what is your weakest unsuited ace here?

AT

AT

So that's your weakest unsuited ace.

What if we have a complete spewy lunatic in the SB who opens 100%?

What if we have a really solid lag in the SB who opens in the high 80s?

Are you going to be 3 betting weaker offsuit aces then?

So that's your weakest unsuited ace.

What if we have a complete spewy lunatic in the SB who opens 100%?

What if we have a really solid lag in the SB who opens in the high 80s?

Are you going to be 3 betting weaker offsuit aces then?

I can see it in the first scenario.

I assume you mean he plays decently postflop and overaggro pre? I definitely don't want to be 3 betting A7 against this guy.

I think one of the problems with not 3betting the A-little hands, is that observant opponents will start to catch on that when you 3 bet and an ace flops, you have hands that are heavily skewed to not being able to show down. I like your reasoning to get people to barrel off, but how about 3betting the little aces 25-50% of the time and calling the rest?

I think one of the problems with not 3betting the A-little hands, is that observant opponents will start to catch on that when you 3 bet and an ace flops, you have hands that are heavily skewed to not being able to show down. I like your reasoning to get people to barrel off, but how about 3betting the little aces 25-50% of the time and calling the rest?

I still have pairs and quite a few Ax hands when I 3 bet.

3 betting the little ones 25-50% doesn't make much sense. One option has to be better than the other. Just do the better one 100% of the time.

I still have pairs and quite a few Ax hands when I 3 bet.

3 betting the little ones 25-50% doesn't make much sense. One option has to be better than the other. Just do the better one 100% of the time.

I somehow agree with both of you. I don't think they need to be 3 bet because we can simply be stubborn on ace high boards with weaker hands if that's the case. But I also think its wrong to say there is no merit to doing something some % of the time. Sure you are correct that the EV of one in a vacuum vs opponent X's hand / range will be higher, but if our opponent is smart that EV will be reduced somewhat over time as he learns our strategy. Having a bit more balance in that spot may be the best way to avoid loss of EV vs a smart player.

I still have pairs and quite a few Ax hands when I 3 bet.

3 betting the little ones 25-50% doesn't make much sense. One option has to be better than the other. Just do the better one 100% of the time.

I 100% disagree w/ "doing something some % of the time has to be wrong," especially at higher stakes. Players adjust to your strategy. So, we can really mess with players by showing playing certain hands somewhat differently we can basically zig when they think we are zagging.

Edit: or I agree with DD.

I 100% disagree w/ "doing something some % of the time has to be wrong," especially at higher stakes. Players adjust to your strategy. So, we can really mess with players by showing playing certain hands somewhat differently we can basically zig when they think we are zagging.

Edit: or I agree with DD.

Players don't adjust as much as you think they do. It's going to be very hard to pick up on a slightly imbalanced range such that you need to do weird things like 3 bet A2o 16% of the time.

Players don't adjust as much as you think they do. It's going to be very hard to pick up on a slightly imbalanced range such that you need to do weird things like 3 bet A2o 16% of the time.

Do you adjust when you notice trends in your opponents' playing? When you play 15/30+ do you think there are other players who are trying to think about the game on the same level you are?

Do you adjust when you notice trends in your opponents' playing? When you play 15/30+ do you think there are other players who are trying to think about the game on the same level you are?

of course. But some trends are more telling than others. If I see a guy call A7o here, I don't put much stock into it. It gives me a glimpse into his 3 betting range sure, but I'm not going to base a read around it.

Also keep in mind that the more you 3b weak Ax hands, the harder it is to rep an A when you call. And this comes up in a lot of other spots. When you attempt to balance your range in one spot, you unbalance it in another.

this is the most entertained I've ever been by a LHE coaching video

Great first vid, with solid, humble analysis.
Solid pickup by DC.
Tile tables and it's as good as LHE vids get.
Looking forward to more.

I somehow agree with you both. This makes no sense to me but its how I feel. I agree that people do not adjust nearly as much as we give them credit for but I also agree that thinking about doing something 15% of the time is not a bad way to go about it.

I think the best thing to do is try to cut off your Ax range at a certain point. So you are going to be 3betting ATo 100% of the time and A9 0% of the time? That doesnt seem right to me. I think if you are threebetting ATo 100% of the time there has to be a non zero percent of the time you are 3 betting A9o and a non zero amount your are not 3betting it. I think this percentage would obviously be player specefic. So lets say a player is hypothetically opening 100% from the sb you could raise that percentage to 95%. If the player was a taggy regular you could lower that percentage to 10%. And you could always be coldcalling A8o. This would give you enough of your range on Ace high boards not to be exploited.

I could be wrong but this seems like the best plan to me.

I somehow agree with you both. This makes no sense to me but its how I feel. I agree that people do not adjust nearly as much as we give them credit for but I also agree that thinking about doing something 15% of the time is not a bad way to go about it.

I think the best thing to do is try to cut off your Ax range at a certain point. So you are going to be 3betting ATo 100% of the time and A9 0% of the time? That doesnt seem right to me. I think if you are threebetting ATo 100% of the time there has to be a non zero percent of the time you are 3 betting A9o and a non zero amount your are not 3betting it. I think this percentage would obviously be player specefic. So lets say a player is hypothetically opening 100% from the sb you could raise that percentage to 95%. If the player was a taggy regular you could lower that percentage to 10%. And you could always be coldcalling A8o. This would give you enough of your range on Ace high boards not to be exploited.

I could be wrong but this seems like the best plan to me.

Interesting discussion imo. Are we 3betting A10o and better only because we need some Ax in our defending range, so you draw the line @ A10 because you can make 2card straights? What about suited Ax? Where`s your Kx/Qx 3betting range? How about middeling cards, which do you prefer 3betting if any at all? Pairs? I have no problem mixing it up, but against some people its obviously a mistake not 3betting A9o, simply because people in general open the sb way too light these days and its expensive to try to win pots oop in blind wars imo.

ATo was the line Nina gave I don't agree with that particular line but that doesn't matter with the discussing peoples ranges should be be their own and were not trying to give a handchart. But I believe were discussing the merit of having static versus fluid hand ranges in a very specific situations that do not change much from player to player. I think like always we should have a default 3betting range and change that slightly because of the player. I also don't think it matters too much when were playing fish because balanced ranges have no place in that conversation

sorry If this is a run on sentence or weird to read I'm on my phone

NinaWilliams runs good.

allstart is the winnar.

it would be foolish to have a static 3 bet range. Some hands fair better against different players. ATo just happens to be the weakest ace that I am 3 betting nearly 100%.

allstart is the winnar.

it would be foolish to have a static 3 bet range. Some hands fair better against different players. ATo just happens to be the weakest ace that I am 3 betting nearly 100%.

Now this I can get on board with!

allstart is the winnar.

it would be foolish to have a static 3 bet range. Some hands fair better against different players. ATo just happens to be the weakest ace that I am 3 betting nearly 100%.

After this video Nina is the winner imo

After this video Nina is the winner imo

Now THIS I can get on board with. Also completely agree can find no circumstance in reality where I wouldn't 3bet AT, just so we're on the same page.

Now this I can get on board with!

This and this alone? Personally i think Allstart has a point about having a somewhat predetermined 3betting range (not a chart or anything ldo), and vary that from player to player. If you have a guy that folds too much or just checkraises the flop when he hits it, then 3betting more should be our option, right. And if we play against a maniac that caps every hand oop, then we should avert to 3betting more showdownable hands and not so much the 78s etc. Amirite?

Yeah definitely agree Psycho

I really like this video and your modest and professional approach and also the vid with Joe Tall was great, just finished watching it. Looking forward to more!

Make a magic online video lol

Make a magic online video lol

"OMG WHAT A TOPDECK!! THIS GUY'S SO LUCKY!!!"

j/k Nina

Would be a fun "And Now for Somethign Completely different" though

"OMG WHAT A TOPDECK!! THIS GUY'S SO LUCKY!!!"

j/k Nina

Would be a fun "And Now for Somethign Completely different" though

I was actually thinking of doing this. not sure who would watch it though.

Very nice first video even though you ran pretty damn hot and didnt get into too many tricky spots. I like your reasoning on the A7o 3-betting matter and play similarly against many opponents. However I think its very well worth varying your 3-betting ranges in BvB situations depending on opponents range, barreling tendencies and showdownboundness. Also having somewhat different 3-bet ranges against different types of villains can result in some worse but observant players into taking false reads from hands you play against someone else than him.

I was actually thinking of doing this. not sure who would watch it though.

Got one watcher right here

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AJ bottom table

Do you consider x/ring turn here?
Do you check or barrel hands like QT JT
Do you check or barrel hands like J9 Q9

Is this a bet/3! for you?

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KT top

Im a little surprised you seemed so eager to get to showdown after villain x/r the flop given that we already saw him x/r too wide for value and bet down with it. Where do you draw the line for bluff catchers that you feel are good enough to get to the river but not necessarily showdown even if the board comes well?