Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Soepgroente (High Stakes)

Didn't even have time to watch this yet, but I just want to say that the idea for this video is spot on, we def. need more of these and it was nice to see this and ceegee's razz vid (yay!!) on the new vids list today

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Thoughts on squeezing 77 on table 2 here? CO is likely opening a wide range and ceegee can't ever be that strong. We wouldn't necessarily mind taking down the pot immediately, and getting it HU is nice too. The only problem I see is if we get 4b, then we have to fold and we have sorta wasted 77's value. Thoughts?

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In the PLO rounds are people really so terrible that you can call OOP with QJT4/JJ52 hands? Seems far too loose.

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Being 48% vs a 30% range our hand doesn't seem to have awesome raw equity yet it has awesome playability. Do you think it could be more profitable to call and play flops as even though we're OOP we have a super smooth hand + skill advantage?

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I'm just learning O8, but with the low and flush draws on this board, I wouldn't be surprised if a bare QQ is a fold on the flop here. You have no chance at half the pot when the low comes in, and a pair of QQ isn't super strong for the hi. I'd ask Chuck about this one.

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Do you expect him to bet just a low hand here? I would expect him to check/call, which means when he bets he likely has the low and a decent high.

Thoughts on squeezing 77 on table 2 here? CO is likely opening a wide range and ceegee can't ever be that strong. We wouldn't necessarily mind taking down the pot immediately, and getting it HU is nice too. The only problem I see is if we get 4b, then we have to fold and we have sorta wasted 77's value. Thoughts?

I think 77 is probably one of the worst hands we can squeeze here, I'd rather squeeze A2o or a hand that can ship over a 4bet like TT+/AJ or AQ+. Like you say, 77 getting 4bet I'd want to ship over it once we get there but I think that's not strong enough so I just call.

I think 77 is probably one of the worst hands we can squeeze here, I'd rather squeeze A2o or a hand that can ship over a 4bet like TT+/AJ or AQ+. Like you say, 77 getting 4bet I'd want to ship over it once we get there but I think that's not strong enough so I just call.

Makes sense. Ty

This is a fantastic vid. Would love to see a series in exactly this format, perhaps with ceegee/JT to discuss some of the stud spots.

Being 48% vs a 30% range our hand doesn't seem to have awesome raw equity yet it has awesome playability. Do you think it could be more profitable to call and play flops as even though we're OOP we have a super smooth hand + skill advantage?

Well, this is true, but I kinda wanna flip too so we're twice as deep. Also from all the crap he plays I'm pretty sure we can comfortably 4ball this for value. Also having him call with 5678 then fold a 229 flop has some value. Calling is certainly my standard but I was pretty sure he was 3betting anything remotely suited or connected.

As for your other question, QJT4 is a pretty decent hand, and I got owned on the JJ52 hand so I suck.

Do you expect him to bet just a low hand here? I would expect him to check/call, which means when he bets he likely has the low and a decent high.

I thought he'd put me on a low like, never given the way I played it so he's freerolling on getting us to fold the high so I expected him to bet any low.

That first PLO round on the left was perhaps the sexiest run of hands I've ever seen.

I just started the vid but you mentionned 3-bet folding AQ is "an elementary mistake" and I disagree here, there are plenty of people against who it's clearly best to 3-bet it when they either fold too much or call lots of 3-bets but dont 4-bet bluff much so you can happily fold it to a 4-bet.

Oh, and yeah squeezing that 77 hand would be really bad.

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+1 on spewy maniac

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def took note of your 2 to pat and probably woulda raised most 86s too

I just started the vid but you mentionned 3-bet folding AQ is "an elementary mistake" and I disagree here, there are plenty of people against who it's clearly best to 3-bet it when they either fold too much or call lots of 3-bets but dont 4-bet bluff much so you can happily fold it to a 4-bet.

Oh, and yeah squeezing that 77 hand would be really bad.

If people fold too much to 3bets you shouldn't 3bet AQ but you should 3bet worse hands as a bluff instead of turning AQ into a bluff. I was mostly talking about 3b/folding against random people, of course you can and should 3b/fold AJ or AQ if someone calls every 3bet and only 4bets AK/QQ+. But that requires a significant read, in the dark I would never 3b/fold AQ.

I don't mind the QJT4ss hand that much, but the JJ97 and JJ52 are most likely not going to be profitable calls OOP, especially if you go into check-call mode.

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Solid fold, vs xxA is the key here. Vs any other later position baby, you should defend.

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Honestly, you are putting $10 in to win $13 on a steal. This is Stud8, the bring is a low and defends often. The 8-game structure is solid w/the $2 ante but the game is shorthanded so the dead money is a bit low, esp when players sit out. There is nothing wrong w/folding 3rd here.

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Is it bad ethics to move seats to get position on Maxx86, the guy who was messing with you? I will do it when I believe a player is gunning for me, but only because it happens to me all the time

I hate it when people do that to me. I think games would be best if noone got to pick seats honestly.

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Can you elaborate on why you would be folding 256 to an UTG open? Is it because Ceegee is a tough player, or is that standard for you?

Can you elaborate on why you would be folding 256 to an UTG open? Is it because Ceegee is a tough player, or is that standard for you?

taking a stab, id guess its because 256 doesnt do too well vs an utg range when we're OOP. so we have a positional disadvantage and a card disadvantage so we need a good skill advantage to make it +ev, and against other good players that will make life tough on us, we wont have a very big skill advantage.

taking a stab, id guess its because 256 doesnt do too well vs an utg range when we're OOP. so we have a positional disadvantage and a card disadvantage so we need a good skill advantage to make it +ev, and against other good players that will make life tough on us, we wont have a very big skill advantage.

Still... we have the 2, the 5, and the 6!

Can you elaborate on why you would be folding 256 to an UTG open? Is it because Ceegee is a tough player, or is that standard for you?

Standard for me vs a good player raising UTG. We are a small dog to his range, but more importantly we are going to be OOP for the rest of the hand --> nasty reverse implied odds vs anyone tough.

Oh fold to river raise Vincent you payoff monkey

You value bet like one of the worst hands in your range, gotta fold something

edit: worst hands in your range that you would value bet (c/c 875's and such?)

As exploitable as it may sound, in that specific spot I think I look very suspicious and I'd be betting or c/f'ing. I honestly believe ceegee may bluffraise there and once in a while raise a slightly worse hand for value. I'd definitely bet/fold like #9.

256 vs utg is kinda meh, I'd call 245 235 237 247 257 though. 256 just doesn't make that many nutsy hands. You make #3 or 4 instead of #1 and 2, or #7 or 8 instead of #4 or 5, etc Calling 256 on button tho. Because we do have the deuce, five ánd six.

In the PLO rounds are people really so terrible that you can call OOP with QJT4/JJ52 hands? Seems far too loose.

JJ52ss is a total garbage hand, defending this can't be profitable vs anyone imo.

QJT4ss could be defendable vs really bad players with wide ranges.

I'm just learning O8, but with the low and flush draws on this board, I wouldn't be surprised if a bare QQ is a fold on the flop here. You have no chance at half the pot when the low comes in, and a pair of QQ isn't super strong for the hi. I'd ask Chuck about this one.

Can't fold QQ here on the flop.

Vs 15% of hands we are 29% EQ with postion etc getting 7:1.

On the turn raising is spewy since we are only 33% vs 15% of hands. Def should call the turn and fold some rivers.

As exploitable as it may sound, in that specific spot I think I look very suspicious and I'd be betting or c/f'ing. I honestly believe ceegee may bluffraise there and once in a while raise a slightly worse hand for value. I'd definitely bet/fold like #9.

256 vs utg is kinda meh, I'd call 245 235 237 247 257 though. 256 just doesn't make that many nutsy hands. You make #3 or 4 instead of #1 and 2, or #7 or 8 instead of #4 or 5, etc Calling 256 on button tho. Because we do have the deuce, five ánd six.

what about 267? can make no2.

what about 267? can make no2.

I probably call 267 vs all but the best. Yes it can make #2 but your draw kinda sucks if you catch an 8.

I'm just learning O8, but with the low and flush draws on this board, I wouldn't be surprised if a bare QQ is a fold on the flop here. You have no chance at half the pot when the low comes in, and a pair of QQ isn't super strong for the hi. I'd ask Chuck about this one.

In position you can't fold. If you somehow found yourself OOP with that hand it's the mucktown.