Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:04:42

Are JT/QT 3betting the big blind at this level? If not I would agree that it's super standard at the mid-high stakes to see those hands checkraising this turn. I like DD's comment about 3betting here for value as these guys see that once we call the turn the river bet is rather pointless as we're usually not playing fit or fold, we have some equity in the pot once we call the raise.

Also, there's a lot of snap crackle and pop in this later vid.

Time Link to 00:11:43

you guys seem to gloss over the fact that F.M.M. open limps UTG at this game. This seems like a rather WTF moment especially given the lineup. Is this player another draw for the game?

Maybe it's just me but the audio gets really crackly in the mp4 version, barely audible in parts :-/

you guys seem to gloss over the fact that F.M.M. open limps UTG at this game. This seems like a rather WTF moment especially given the lineup. Is this player another draw for the game?

I believe I mentioned it - but yes.

Maybe it's just me but the audio gets really crackly in the mp4 version, barely audible in parts :-/

Looking into this now.

Time Link to 00:05:01

WHAT, AT?
I fully expected to see something like 67/T6/87/A4/55 but not that.
I'm not 100% sure if he was trying to bluff with his AT or was actually making a very thin value raise vs you but it does seem like a value raise given the 6h was a good card for him to bluff if he thinks you could have AK etc on the turn and it really wasn't a good card for him to c/c on.
Are there any immediate adjustments you'd be making vs this guy?

Time Link to 00:35:10

A river 5, vs river Ace, the only difference seems to be that you beat sets with the A, which I think are unlikely given FMM's cold call pre (KK, JJ, TT), and you beat all two pairs with both hands. Is the small likelihood of sets enough to sway you to a donk/call vs. a check call or does it have to do with the scary river board texture?

Could the sets issue be offset by the fact that FMM could be making some optimistic turn raise with KQ thus tainting the A outs, although he's not as spewy as vitapur?

Oh wow, I just watched a minute more and I definitely think you should consider putting in more action. You only lose to AQ and Q9 and beat a ton of broadway combos. I really do think you can heavily discount sets.

Well Having stoved it, I think on an A river you have a commanding edge and on a 5 river it's close to having enough to raise/call.


37 games 0.005 secs 7,400 games/sec

Board: Tc 5d Jc Kh Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.730% 29.73% 00.00% 11 0.00 { TT, 55, AQs, KTs+, Q9s, JTs, AQo, KJo, JTo }
Hand 1: 70.270% 70.27% 00.00% 26 0.00 { AcAs }

39 games 0.005 secs 7,800 games/sec

Board: Tc 5d Jc Kh 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.026% 41.03% 00.00% 16 0.00 { TT, 55, AQs, KTs+, Q9s, JTs, AQo, KJo, JTo }
Hand 1: 58.974% 58.97% 00.00% 23 0.00 { AcAs }

Are JT/QT 3betting the big blind at this level? If not I would agree that it's super standard at the mid-high stakes to see those hands checkraising this turn. I like DD's comment about 3betting here for value as these guys see that once we call the turn the river bet is rather pointless as we're usually not playing fit or fold, we have some equity in the pot once we call the raise.

Also, there's a lot of snap crackle and pop in this later vid.

I'd say those don't 3 bet pre most times.

you guys seem to gloss over the fact that F.M.M. open limps UTG at this game. This seems like a rather WTF moment especially given the lineup. Is this player another draw for the game?

Was just trying to be somewhat polite / politically correct I suppose. He played awful.

WHAT, AT?
I fully expected to see something like 67/T6/87/A4/55 but not that.
I'm not 100% sure if he was trying to bluff with his AT or was actually making a very thin value raise vs you but it does seem like a value raise given the 6h was a good card for him to bluff if he thinks you could have AK etc on the turn and it really wasn't a good card for him to c/c on.
Are there any immediate adjustments you'd be making vs this guy?

Not folding to odd lines, going for a bit thinner value, I'd say.

A river 5, vs river Ace, the only difference seems to be that you beat sets with the A, which I think are unlikely given FMM's cold call pre (KK, JJ, TT), and you beat all two pairs with both hands. Is the small likelihood of sets enough to sway you to a donk/call vs. a check call or does it have to do with the scary river board texture?

Could the sets issue be offset by the fact that FMM could be making some optimistic turn raise with KQ thus tainting the A outs, although he's not as spewy as vitapur?

Oh wow, I just watched a minute more and I definitely think you should consider putting in more action. You only lose to AQ and Q9 and beat a ton of broadway combos. I really do think you can heavily discount sets.

Regarding the latter hand, I still think its more of a crying call. Those broadway combos you mention all jam the flop I think, he certainly showed no qualms about jamming hands in other spots. Yes I only lose to AQ and Q9 but those hands make way more sense than anything else, that might have missed a turn CR.

Well Having stoved it, I think on an A river you have a commanding edge and on a 5 river it's close to having enough to raise/call.


37 games 0.005 secs 7,400 games/sec

Board: Tc 5d Jc Kh Ad
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.730% 29.73% 00.00% 11 0.00 { TT, 55, AQs, KTs+, Q9s, JTs, AQo, KJo, JTo }
Hand 1: 70.270% 70.27% 00.00% 26 0.00 { AcAs }

39 games 0.005 secs 7,800 games/sec

Board: Tc 5d Jc Kh 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.026% 41.03% 00.00% 16 0.00 { TT, 55, AQs, KTs+, Q9s, JTs, AQo, KJo, JTo }
Hand 1: 58.974% 58.97% 00.00% 23 0.00 { AcAs }

Yeah but seems unlikely he bets JT on the river, right? So if he bets, CR is pretty thin.

Looking into this now.

I have upload new versions with minimizing on the clicking, it's hard to eliminate as it's attached to Chuck's audio directly but I have dampened it some. Hope this helps those of you having troubles with the audio quality.
-Rusty

Not folding to odd lines, going for a bit thinner value, I'd say.

Thinking about it a bit more I guess it wasn't completely awful to c/c the 6h turn.
C/Cing a J/Q/K would be worse given your likely opening range but I guess part of the problem with his play vs a good player like you is I doubt your going to bluff with K/Q hi particularly often when he suddenly checks a dry river.
He can't even say how likely you are to bluff a wet river like the 6h with those hands given how SD bound/ weird his line looks (why wouldn't he barrel the riv if he has an unimproved semibluff? If he has got an UI semibluff then there's no point in betting our Q/K hi as it may be good and is anyone really c/ring the turn here with something like 67 and then c/fing the river? Rarely I'd think) so most of the time after taking this line he's just allowing us to value bet the shit out of him it seems.

Maybe though if the board was lower like 3477 his play might have more merit but even then it should probably only be vs a very loose player or a good players BTN range whereby the BTN player can have a wider range of junky draws that can call the turn c/r and then be tempted to bluff with their 85 vs a river chk but even then I still doubt many good players will take the bait vs such an odd line fearing they'll get c/r on the river some of the time.
Sorry for the rant, interesting weirdness.

2 hands I have quick comments on:

I think you should have added KQ into FMM's range where we have AA. It smacks his preflop and flop line and he could be a poor enough hand reader to just raise the turn.

I think you should 3 bet Enon with AJ. 1) Assuming he doesn't recognize the game is 7 handed now is probably not giving him enough credit and 2) he understands the fish is in the BB so could be opening his range up.