Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by mdm13 (Mid Stakes)

yaaay finally, awesome!

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OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!

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A good example of a session where an expert player does not have it easy. Very difficult session. But I got half a page of good notes so it's all good!

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good vid!

In the Q2s hand very early in the video where the other guy rivers a FH against your flush you say he's pretty much never bluffing there and I would certainly agree with that but isn't an 8 more in his range than a weaker flush on the river? You said yourself that his pot bet was for value. If I recall correctly the fish was still in the hand and I expect him to call the flop with an 8 so when he pots the river he's either bluffing (pretty much never) or has a FH, no?

mdm13, great video!

Some thoughts about a few hands though:

1. The hand where you river the flush on a double paired board 3-way and he bets pot: don't you think that he is betting this big because he expects you or the other player to have a flush here a ton of the time? When I saw his betsizing I wanted to fold, because I don't really think he would bet this big for value with a flush. If he doesn't have an 8 or 4 he should be scared that one of you has the FH here, and if he has a small flush he should target his betsize to get calls from TP hands. Here it looks exactly like he thinks that you or the other player is strong and that he is expecting to get called by worse.

2. At 20:40 you 3bet in the bb the small blind who opens to 7. Is raising here to 25 your standard? Certainly against a guy that fold a ton to 3bets I don't see value in making it pot+2bb here ip.

3. At 29:10 you open KJo in MP with a pro shortie behind you, is this standard?

4. At 55:00 someone minraises preflop, and checks behind on flop and turn on a 374K double suited board, while you have 75s. Why check this river? I don't think there is any reason to think that villain is going to bluff here (if he wants to bluff he bluffs flop or turn imo) and there is also no reason to think that your hand isn't best. so why no valuebet and see if he can call with a hand like 22 or A high.

ps. sitting with 100bb on a deepstack table with a fish that has 200bb at table 4 is criminal

Is it just me or does the top right table say (deep 6) and you're sitting with 100bb?

I am having trouble with both the d/l and the stream.

The stream starts loading, but only plays for 10 or 15 seconds before stopping.

And when I try to d/l, I get a pop-up saying file "could not be saved, because the source file could not be read".

Any advice? Thanks. (I'm in Euroland).

I having problems w/ the DL version. It was playing fine, but then it abruptly quit playing. When I restarted it it plays, but I can't fastfoward to where it stopped, but every other video Ive downloaded still works fine..

Tried watching the embedded version here, and it wont fast forward either. WTF?!?!?!

Odd. When I downloaded the video the first time it was only 70megs. Now im redownloading it and its over 200..Not sure how that happened.

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I having problems w/ the DL version. It was playing fine, but then it abruptly quit playing. When I restarted it it plays, but I can't fastfoward to where it stopped, but every other video Ive downloaded still works fine..

Tried watching the embedded version here, and it wont fast forward either. WTF?!?!?!

Odd. When I downloaded the video the first time it was only 70megs. Now im redownloading it and its over 200..Not sure how that happened.

Yeah I was going to reply to basically say when you download a video and it quits playing at some point it means you didn't get the entire file downloaded for whatever reason. Glad it worked out the second time.

-DeathDonkey

No problems with download here (Im Europe as well).

Enjoyed the vid, I know this may be a difficult question but you seem to be excellent at ignoring results.
I noted three or four occasions where I know my thought process would be "again? ffs" whereas you make reads and note things about the villans line on earlier streets.

I have Tommy's book which is excellent and I'm looking forward to his series but if you want to elaborate further on your metagame in future vids that would be great.

Just gave this video 5 stars.

I'm gonna watch in now and comment later

Is it just me or does the top right table say (deep 6) and you're sitting with 100bb?

just because you can sit with 200bb doesn't mean you have to

I've only seen about half of it, very good stuff so far

Is it just me or does the top right table say (deep 6) and you're sitting with 100bb?

my default is to buy in for 200bb, just simple oversight

and yeah some things in the session went wrong, but in line with the theme of the beginning of the video, you just have to objectively analyze things and move on.

i will check this thread later tonight and answer any questions about the video (there's also a few unanswered questions from my last video that i will try to get to as well). I leave bright and early tomorrow to go on vacation and will probably not be seeing this thread until wednesday night or thursday night.

The chat block icon on jongreenway made me grin

Hi mdm13,

firstly, great video.

I have to highlight the fact, that this video showed us the opposite side of the coin. That said i mean, when comparing this video with your 2 previous, where you were just buldozing the tables and everything looked so easy.

As a sometimes too spewy Lagtard i like a lot this principles from this video:

1) Not a good idea to squeeze light when loose fishs are still to act.
2) Do not do any crazy bluffs when the board gets drawy while a tightweak player showed some kind of strengh.
3) Turn 1/4 blocking bet in that one hand is a great line, i like it a lot vs fish.

Thanks.

hey

i dont know if it possible but i rather want to see 2* ~40min clips than one b/c i get tried a the end of long clips.

and yeah great video. keep up the good work

I've got a simple, somewhat dumb question

I recently started on Full Tilt so bare with me on this. On every table you're playing at, you're seated at the bottom center of the table (your preferred seat) - for my hud to always pop up stats in the correct positions, that is the same seat that I need to be sitting at.

My problem is, whenever I open up a table, I have to click on that seat and click "Move Me Here" in order to be placed there. I'm almost positive there is an option somewhere where you can set your "preferred seat", I have gone through literally all the options (or so I think) and cannot seem to find this option.

How do you set your seat like that so you are always in the same position when you sit at a table? thanks for your help on my innocent Full Tilt virgin question.

great vid!

btw. Do you have the link for me yet?

I've got a simple, somewhat dumb question

I recently started on Full Tilt so bare with me on this. On every table you're playing at, you're seated at the bottom center of the table (your preferred seat) - for my hud to always pop up stats in the correct positions, that is the same seat that I need to be sitting at.

My problem is, whenever I open up a table, I have to click on that seat and click "Move Me Here" in order to be placed there. I'm almost positive there is an option somewhere where you can set your "preferred seat", I have gone through literally all the options (or so I think) and cannot seem to find this option.

How do you set your seat like that so you are always in the same position when you sit at a table? thanks for your help on my innocent Full Tilt virgin question.

option --> auto center, I think.

Which forum on 2+2 was the topic on work ethic?

great vid, tons of useful info in it

mdm13, great video!

Some thoughts about a few hands though:

1. The hand where you river the flush on a double paired board 3-way and he bets pot: don't you think that he is betting this big because he expects you or the other player to have a flush here a ton of the time? When I saw his betsizing I wanted to fold, because I don't really think he would bet this big for value with a flush. If he doesn't have an 8 or 4 he should be scared that one of you has the FH here, and if he has a small flush he should target his betsize to get calls from TP hands. Here it looks exactly like he thinks that you or the other player is strong and that he is expecting to get called by worse.

2. At 20:40 you 3bet in the bb the small blind who opens to 7. Is raising here to 25 your standard? Certainly against a guy that fold a ton to 3bets I don't see value in making it pot+2bb here ip.

3. At 29:10 you open KJo in MP with a pro shortie behind you, is this standard?

4. At 55:00 someone minraises preflop, and checks behind on flop and turn on a 374K double suited board, while you have 75s. Why check this river? I don't think there is any reason to think that villain is going to bluff here (if he wants to bluff he bluffs flop or turn imo) and there is also no reason to think that your hand isn't best. so why no valuebet and see if he can call with a hand like 22 or A high.

ps. sitting with 100bb on a deepstack table with a fish that has 200bb at table 4 is criminal

hand 1. He can pot any flush and expect to be called by worse from the 3rd player who seems weak and will call with low flushes and aces and almost never has a 4, rarely an 8, plus the fact that leading an 8 doesn't really make a ton of sense but leading a FD does a lot more and my flush is high.

2. No, I'd make it smaller in hindsight.

3. Yeah, I think genehackman stays out of the way often enough to make the open +ev/

4. I thought about betting and its probably fine its just that theres really not a ton of hands that i dont have a small piece with and he prob expects me to have bluffed on the turn if I was going to with a draw

In the Q2s hand very early in the video where the other guy rivers a FH against your flush you say he's pretty much never bluffing there and I would certainly agree with that but isn't an 8 more in his range than a weaker flush on the river? You said yourself that his pot bet was for value. If I recall correctly the fish was still in the hand and I expect him to call the flop with an 8 so when he pots the river he's either bluffing (pretty much never) or has a FH, no?

Again his donking range should contain more FDs than 8s and yes, the fish might call the flop with an 8 but he has more aces and low flushes in his range than an 8 (he probably calls any ace pre but not any 8) and sometimes he folds an 8 on the flop.

His range cant be FH or bluff because not betting a flush would be missing a ton of value.

Which forum on 2+2 was the topic on work ethic?

I think SSNL, maybe MSNL.

How do you set your seat like that so you are always in the same position when you sit at a table? thanks for your help on my innocent Full Tilt virgin question.

Like the guy said options -> auto center.

Enjoyed the vid, I know this may be a difficult question but you seem to be excellent at ignoring results.
I noted three or four occasions where I know my thought process would be "again? ffs" whereas you make reads and note things about the villans line on earlier streets.

I have Tommy's book which is excellent and I'm looking forward to his series but if you want to elaborate further on your metagame in future vids that would be great.

Well I'm not really sure what you are asking but not being results oriented and having a strong mental game i think is one of my strengths. I can answer this again if you would elaborate on what you mean or what specifically you want me to elaborate on.

great vid!

btw. Do you have the link for me yet?

ty, i will pm you later tonight

hey

i dont know if it possible but i rather want to see 2* ~40min clips than one b/c i get tried a the end of long clips.

and yeah great video. keep up the good work

This video was long for no real reason, I don't plan on doing a ghost video this long again but probably not as short as 40 minutes though, more in the 50-60 minute range.


If you have any other questions I'll get back to you later tonight or later this week as I will be gone. Please include the timestamp of when a particular hand happened or I will not be able to comment.

Thanks for the comments,

Mark

don't listen to them mdm! keep the vids long man.

mdm needs his own series. go go go

Well, this video alone was worth the montly subscription. Tough session though.

Good vid, best part was villains SNs.

Ch 5 NewsTeam, Fast Eddie McG and arrr innn ftw.

nice vid, u have a very nice & controlled style!

gnome,

why would you ever release the secret of the 5max tables? you just sold your soul imo.

Also, great video as always, although I would like to see some of the spewy retardo bluffs you claim to to specialize in.

-Mark

don't listen to them mdm! keep the vids long man.

this

great vid, i like the small bet on river to make other buster draws fold, you should have kept that one quiet lol. Also your double barrel frequency is really low (compared to other mid stakes DC coaches), you seem to find reasons to shutdown rather than reasons to continue, i deffo feel i must be spewing too much now. Gd vid, want to see more, liked the length too.

Hey,
i couldn't find any consistency, so im just asking it here in the threat..
1. How much do you 3bet preflop IP and OOP? What about 4betting preflop IP & OOP?
2. How much do you 3bet/4bet postflop IP/OOP?

Do you have different bet sizes when you're bluffing/vbetting in all the cases above?

Further im playing 50NL atm. I read over and over again that you shouldnt bluff generally at these micros/SSNL. Why do you still advocate playing loose-aggressive? In my experience villains at these limits rarely get away from there hand when they call your cbet and you 2ndbarrel (additionally you almost never can 3barrel, because they are just too loose?).

BTW: may I ask what your W$WSF/WTSD and aggression factor is?

Thank you and keep producing these LAG videos!

calling with the Q high flush draw is probably a mistake. He's betting hard into 2 other people and the board is double paired. Thoughts on this?

Also i know the c/r AJo line on a 9xx board looks good in theory but its pretty bad in practice. What are you really representing ?

At 59:09 you have 89o in postion, the flop with two players A97 two tone and you check back.
My standard here is to bet, Ahigh flop is good to take the pot down, we have showndown value but against two players we don't be able to see the showndown very often, and i don't see the merits to let worse hands in the pot since we won't be able to catch bluff, and if we are called we have equity.
Are they flaw in my logic ?

At 54:00 you bet QT9 two tone with 54 ~half pot to make fold 22, 8high, there is another spot like that at the begin or you have no showndown value at all and the flop hit hard villain's calling range and you bet smallish. Is that really bad to just check and give up the pot in those spot ?

God your table selection is awful. That gnomeontilt guy is at ALL of your tables.

Very solid vid.

Can we give mdm a series???

mdm,
what are the factors which get you 3betting preflop instead of calling?
So when to 3bet and when to call?

mdm,
what are the factors which get you 3betting preflop instead of calling?
So when to 3bet and when to call?

i guess my question was for being IP and OOP.
Thanks!

gnome,

why would you ever release the secret of the 5max tables? you just sold your soul imo.

Also, great video as always, although I would like to see some of the spewy retardo bluffs you claim to to specialize in.

-Mark

Because I play on stars ldo. As i make videos higher I will spew a bit more I'm sure.

Hey,
i couldn't find any consistency, so im just asking it here in the threat..
1. How much do you 3bet preflop IP and OOP? What about 4betting preflop IP & OOP?
2. How much do you 3bet/4bet postflop IP/OOP?

Do you have different bet sizes when you're bluffing/vbetting in all the cases above?

Further im playing 50NL atm. I read over and over again that you shouldnt bluff generally at these micros/SSNL. Why do you still advocate playing loose-aggressive? In my experience villains at these limits rarely get away from there hand when they call your cbet and you 2ndbarrel (additionally you almost never can 3barrel, because they are just too loose?).

BTW: may I ask what your W$WSF/WTSD and aggression factor is?

Thank you and keep producing these LAG videos!

1 and 2. This is just really broad and not really answerable, it depends on your image, your opponent's ranges and frequencies/reactions to 3bets and there is not necessarily a right frequency to 3bet. You should be 3betting more in position than OOP though. Pretty much same stuff is true for 4betting, its not like I can tell you to 4bet 20% of the time or something.

I pretty much have standardized preflop betsizing.

Whoever says you shouldn't bluff is wrong, you can bluff weaktight regs off of hands and playing LAG doesn't necessarily mean going crazy postflop and can just mean opening a wide range of hands in position preflop and playing them against weaker players.

W$WSF 47.8, WTSD 28, AF 3. I would not pay much attention to stats though, especially if you don't understand the nuances of how different styles affect them.

calling with the Q high flush draw is probably a mistake. He's betting hard into 2 other people and the board is double paired. Thoughts on this?

Also i know the c/r AJo line on a 9xx board looks good in theory but its pretty bad in practice. What are you really representing ?

Not sure if you mean calling on the flop or the river, the river has been discussed in previous posts and peeling the flop IP is pretty standard I think.

Not representing much isn't a huge issue against a lot of guys it just has to do with how often they have a hand they can continue with and how often they cbet it.

At 59:09 you have 89o in postion, the flop with two players A97 two tone and you check back.
My standard here is to bet, Ahigh flop is good to take the pot down, we have showndown value but against two players we don't be able to see the showndown very often, and i don't see the merits to let worse hands in the pot since we won't be able to catch bluff, and if we are called we have equity.
Are they flaw in my logic ?

At 54:00 you bet QT9 two tone with 54 ~half pot to make fold 22, 8high, there is another spot like that at the begin or you have no showndown value at all and the flop hit hard villain's calling range and you bet smallish. Is that really bad to just check and give up the pot in those spot ?

Betting and turning your hand into a semibluff of sorts is fine and I do this sometimes, I think we get down to showdown more often because I don't think we will be bluffed very often.

No, it's not that bad to give up and I usually give up against regulars who will notice the discrepancy in my betsizing.

mdm,
what are the factors which get you 3betting preflop instead of calling?
So when to 3bet and when to call?

I 3bet if it will be called by worse hands or if plays well postflop and will get a lot of folds and is not strong enough to call with.

Hey,
i couldn't find any consistency, so im just asking it here in the threat..
1. How much do you 3bet preflop IP and OOP? What about 4betting preflop IP & OOP?
2. How much do you 3bet/4bet postflop IP/OOP?

Do you have different bet sizes when you're bluffing/vbetting in all the cases above?

Further im playing 50NL atm. I read over and over again that you shouldnt bluff generally at these micros/SSNL. Why do you still advocate playing loose-aggressive? In my experience villains at these limits rarely get away from there hand when they call your cbet and you 2ndbarrel (additionally you almost never can 3barrel, because they are just too loose?).

BTW: may I ask what your W$WSF/WTSD and aggression factor is?

Thank you and keep producing these LAG videos!

Oh, im sorry. I didn't express myself clearly enough. With "how much" i meant to ask about the size of your 3bets/4bets and if you vary it when bluffing/vbetting.
Would be nice if you could give me a reply on that as well.
Thank you.

i know it's kind of cliche to say, but i had a week straight of losing/be to end august (after an otherwise month, i just lost focus and got off my game) watched this video, and have absolutely crushed the last 5 days. not one losing session. stats have looked great, playing with a ton of confidence, running decently, and overall just playing well. great video. aaand can't wait for the 400 and 600nl 6m videos next...

good stuff...I love the way you explain everything. Unfortunately those 38/4's can pummel even you at times, such a sick game. But you explain you reasoning for the way you play the hands so well that it's obvious you crush in the long run

My one question is how do you table select on Stars since they don't have the colored notes?

Enjoyed the vid, I know this may be a difficult question but you seem to be excellent at ignoring results.
I noted three or four occasions where I know my thought process would be "again? ffs" whereas you make reads and note things about the villans line on earlier streets.

I have Tommy's book which is excellent and I'm looking forward to his series but if you want to elaborate further on your metagame in future vids that would be great.

+1!!! You seem to have a great approach to the game and I'd really like audio comments or even just a couple comments on here about these matters. Maybe even something as broad as your philosophies concerning poker, anything really.

As I said with the last vid, you seem like a very smart guy and you explain your thought processes very well. You also have done a good job focusing on topics that haven't been beaten into the ground. Anxiously awaiting whatever you put out next.

Excellent video again man, just watched it for the second time. I got a lot out of it, and the only hand I really disagreed with was the Q hi flush call, I think the % of time he not only shows up with a baby flush there, but value pots it on a double paired board 3 way is near zero.