Poker Video: Stud/Stud 8 by blumpster (High Stakes)

im curious. how would you compare the "softness" of mid to high stakes stud and stud8 to that of todays NL holdem games of similar size?

i like this video even tho i have never played this game before.
how important was it that you had two crappy draws for high and lo on sixth street when you made the value bet against the split 5s with 77 early on? seems like it would make that spot even better to go for thin value, especially since its a split pot game and you have a back up each way.

im curious. how would you compare the "softness" of mid to high stakes stud and stud8 to that of todays NL holdem games of similar size?

It's tough to say in general. From my experience, nlh games are getting a little tougher these days whereas stud games are staying about the same. The problem of course is that there are tons of holdem games going and not many stud games. But personally I like to have the ability to play many games and just in the one that looks the best, or switch games if I find myself losing interest. It's also great to be able to sit in a mixed game and know that most of your opponents will have significant leaks in at least one of the games (see Joe Tall's upcoming HORSE video to see this is true even at nose bleed stakes!).

i like this video even tho i have never played this game before.

thanks!

how important was it that you had two crappy draws for high and lo on sixth street when you made the value bet against the split 5s with 77 early on? seems like it would make that spot even better to go for thin value, especially since its a split pot game and you have a back up each way.

yes, having a hand that has a very good chance of winning either side with a moderate chance of scooping is a very favorable situation. in that hand, since he called 5th st with a 5KJ rainbow board, he should have a pair most of the time, since most of his other hands he would probably fold. split 5s makes the most sense (also he might have bet into me with a better pair in the hole), so i tentatively put him on that hand.

on 6th, in addition to picking up the draw, it's also relevant that my board now has 478 on it, so he is less likely to raise even if i am beat, and very likely to check to me on the river as well, giving me the opportunity to show down a modest pair of 7s or bet for value if i improve in either direction. honestly, against that player, i could even see making a thin value bet on the end.

on 6th, in addition to picking up the draw, it's also relevant that my board now has 478 on it, so he is less likely to raise even if i am beat, and very likely to check to me on the river as well, giving me the opportunity to show down a modest pair of 7s or bet for value if i improve in either direction.

yeah good point. i wasnt really thinking about how your board impacts his decision.

thanks for the response.

omg im not going to be an E fish after i watch this vid. one of the only 2 games i have no idea how to play well, no more free 30/60 gold for you

Great to see such a good stud/8 table play video. I hope you will contribute videos frequently although you said at the beginning this was a guest video.

How much do you take into account odds of some cards showing. You only mentioned it once when 2 flush cards showed. Lets say for example you have the hand 77(4) in late position. Noone has put any money except for the bring in who has a 3 showing. Would you raise this if no 7 or 4 were showing and fold if you saw a 7?

How much do you take into account odds of some cards showing. You only mentioned it once when 2 flush cards showed. Lets say for example you have the hand 77(4) in late position. Noone has put any money except for the bring in who has a 3 showing. Would you raise this if no 7 or 4 were showing and fold if you saw a 7?

Sounds about right. Certainly the cards that are out have a huge impact on the decision of whether (and how) to play a given hand. For a great introduction to "other games" (o8, stud, stud8, razz), you should definitely watch Joe Tall's "Donk to a Stud" series.

Great to see such a good stud/8 table play video. I hope you will contribute videos frequently although you said at the beginning this was a guest video.

This video was made before I became a Deucescracked coach. Now, I expect you will see more of these "ghost" videos from me in the near future.

Very good video! I'm trying to learn other non-holdem games, so I hope you are making more mid-high stakes videos thanks.

please make another vid.

second that...great video thx

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how about a valuebet here with 77?
he seems to me like the kind of player who will call with just 55...
or is it not a good idea because all his kickers were live, meaning you would more likely do it if say 2 kings and a jack were dead? (as he would imo c/c with a rivered 2pair)

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I'm not quite sure I understand this call.
Isn't this hand pretty razzy?
Also by just calling you're turning your hand face up imo.
There is at least one better 3Card Low out there and if you catch another ace it will be hard to keep it a secret what you have...

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do you ever limp in early position to balance those kind of hands with your really good hands, as you hate getting 2 bet by a card behind with a bad pair in the hole? This way you can just limp call or limp raise your good hands.

how about a valuebet here with 77?
he seems to me like the kind of player who will call with just 55...
or is it not a good idea because all his kickers were live, meaning you would more likely do it if say 2 kings and a jack were dead? (as he would imo c/c with a rivered 2pair)

I agree somewhat with a valuebet there vs uh_oh, obv its very thin but our hand could be a low-only in his eyes, there is some vale w/5 and 6 on his board to call us with one of those pairs.

I'm not quite sure I understand this call.
Isn't this hand pretty razzy?
Also by just calling you're turning your hand face up imo.
There is at least one better 3Card Low out there and if you catch another ace it will be hard to keep it a secret what you have...

It's razzy yes, and I'm sure blump folds if he does not have an Ace up. Not sure if you noticed but uh_oh brought it in for full, this is often a sign up weakness and the player is trying to 'protect' his hand. Mostly junky-razz hands, baby pairs, and mid-pairs (say like (99) (TT) in the hole). We fair decent against those hands.

It is close and blump does mention that in the video.

This video was made before I became a Deucescracked coach. Now, I expect you will see more of these "ghost" videos from me in the near future.

I noticed that this guy is still listed as a DC coach, but hasn't made any vids for a while. Any reason for this?

Time Link to 00:23:29

is this a standard fold? his range could be wider than that.
even if his range is as tight as you said, is it stil a fold?

Time Link to 00:33:09

is limping here profitable? vs lose opponents? two 4s are dead...

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I guess I know why you make the completion on 3rd but I know that it would generate any money for me because when I brick and one of them is going to hit, which is likely to happen, I guess I have to peal once because they only limped?

meh,,, Im just confused could you elaborate on why completing is way better than just calling?

one benefit for just calling is that they make larger mistakes on 4th when you catch well and they don't because they get worse pot odds.

Time Link to 00:39:32

seems like burning money here completing 3rd. isnt it?

Time Link to 00:41:01

do you stil make this fold?

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isn't raising better here? you don't want to get lowcards in the pot even though your hand looks obvious? it ll look obvious at some point anyway+ people might stil call?

Time Link to 00:50:16

he ll bet for sure when you check, won't he? so c/r might be better. I know he isn't folding but just for balancing blabla