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Joe Tall plays 2-tables of mid-stakes Stud 8. Ghost him as he adjusts to the table dynamics at two different stakes.
Posted 7 months ago
Mid Stakes,
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rubbishaka80
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Nice video.
Have you figured out the FT replayer, yet?
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delcrossb
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Thank you!
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Joe Tall
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Ha, no, I still f-it up all the time, LOL.
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Joe Tall
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I could have done better but been a while for a live-Stud8 vid + two tables, but I feel I did get some good material in there.
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rubbishaka80
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FWIW, there are two sets of arrows in the replayer. The set in the lower right (where you so desperately clicked) only controls the flow of action of the currently viewed hand.
The arrows in the upper right are used to navigate between hands. I'm sure I saw you using them before.
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DeathDonkey
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This isn't a jam on 5th? A3457 vs a 24K and 36Q board?
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DeathDonkey
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KQT three diamonds hand, dead diamonds, dead jack, etc. with an Ace completing UTG. My question is if the game were stud high, would you call here? Or is it so dead that its flat dead even in high only.
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DeathDonkey
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Jeez what kind of incriminating pics do you have of howard lederer? Your 3rd street hands this session have been monstrous.
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DeathDonkey
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Yeah but if he has aces up you are in fine shape with 3 overcards to hit. Also since you have the case 2 aces and he doesn't know it, I feel you have a ton of playability on the big streets with a huge information gain. I'd continue until he actually catches another scary low card.
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DeathDonkey
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Yeah but there are 2 dead 3s and only one dead ace, I guess he is a favorite to catch either a 3 or his other holecard rather than the ace so you are a hefty favorite vs his queens up betting range. But this strikes me as one of those spots where you need to be right > 75% of the time because the third guy is freerolling you guys if he made his low, so you are just getting value for your half the pot.
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DeathDonkey
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11:40:42 AM Chris: im watching joe tall stud/8 ghost vid right now

11:40:44 AM Chris: that he put up yesterday
11:40:47 AM Chris: its actually really good
11:40:50 AM HOWMANY: omg will watch asap
11:40:52 AM Chris: i am forced to admit he plays this game well
11:41:14 AM Chris: i see myself playing a lot of hands differently
11:41:17 AM Chris: and realizing his play is way better
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Joe Tall
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Hrmmmmm, this is very interesting and I've rethought it a bit and I'm stuck. Here is my initial reply:
OK first of all, I get called in two spots when I open complete, bet 4th, get raised by the 2-flush xx4Ks, and cold called by the xx36o. The 2-flush is 100% live in spades.
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I hit my low on 5th, with a dead-ish wheel, dead-ish 6-low draw. I donk out and get raised by the 3-flush with 2-low cards. Now, I'm 99% sure this player has a flush, I can only hope he has brick-flush cards in the hole but 3rd was paint and the player in question is standard-ish TAG, where as he'll play 3-flushes but only when he can pair. And since this is not razz, he has a flush, he's on the scoop-free-roll, so this is going to be capped. Such a hand has over 50% equity, might be as high as 60%, going to guess that I might have high as 40% but I am looking at only 1/2 the pot.
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Man, I guess I gotta run all outcomes to find the EV. Just talked to Rob about it, he agrees.
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Joe Tall
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Yes way too dead for Stud-hi. As a drill you should list all the reasons why, honestly. You should be able to come up with at least 4-reasons this is a fold, even in stud-hi.
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Joe Tall
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It's a fold. No time to work on it but this is a RIO nightmare, he clearly has you free-rolled for low and you can only hope he has Aces-up.
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Joe Tall
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Thanks....I think.
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DeathDonkey
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The fact I even watched the vid should tell you a lot about the respect I give your stud advice, I watch like no videos ever. Thanks for the replies, will think on them a bit
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skoldpadda
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I think your completion with an ace behind here on the right will sometimes fold out a player who limped (5L)5 since he may give you credit for AA. I've seen it not uncommonly at these limits.
Possible missed steal (open complete when folded to) with the razz junk on the left.
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skoldpadda
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upper right corner for arrows to go to previous hands.
lower arrows for running through the current hand displayed.
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delcrossb
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Easily one of my favorite vids that has come out in quite some time. I know you are putting off making a full fledged stud8 series for a few seasons but if you can pop out a good stud8 ghost here and there I'd still be very happy.
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gazhen
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With regards to 3rd street play in Stud 8, does it play similar to Stud Hi were we are looking to raise and 'steal' the pot with most of our playable hands even in early position?
For instance if i had 347 type gapper in early postion and most of my cards were live and i had a mix of high and low door cards behind me, should i be looking to complete here or open limp?
I understand with our monster hands like a live 234 or something we are always looking raise and build a pot, but with gappers im not so sure.
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Joe Tall
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It's much harder to steal in Stud8, there so much less 3rd street folding equity so be careful.
234 is not a monster in Stud8, it just doesnt make good enough high hands. A hand like 567, is much stronger ast 7s up has a better chance to scoop then 4s up, etc.
Razz hands, which 347 is on the border of, are playable, but only for pure steals, and bring-in defenses vs high hands.
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