Really solid vid. Enjoyed it. Is that table mod available somewhere here?
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Really solid vid. Enjoyed it. Is that table mod available somewhere here?
wow, I have 5 blue cards, I call...haha
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About the blocking bet with JJ on table 3 --- You mention that blocking bets are bad in tough aggro games. I assume this is because they are almost never calling, and just folding out worse for the most part, occasionally bluff-raising worse, and raising all of the hands that beat you. So if you bet/call it's clearly negative EV.
If that's true, is it still possible to make blocking bets effective against tougher opponents if we big adjustments to our range here? For example, is there any value if we add in boats, AA, and KK into our block bet range (which also includes the thin value hands from before) to induce value-cutting raises from tough regs and start a leveling war?
About the blocking bet with JJ on table 3 --- You mention that blocking bets are bad in tough aggro games. I assume this is because they are almost never calling, and just folding out worse for the most part, occasionally bluff-raising worse, and raising all of the hands that beat you. So if you bet/call it's clearly negative EV.
If that's true, is it still possible to make blocking bets effective against tougher opponents if we big adjustments to our range here? For example, is there any value if we add in boats, AA, and KK into our block bet range (which also includes the thin value hands from before) to induce value-cutting raises from tough regs and start a leveling war?
yea, against good tough players, being able to bet small with really strong hands should def be in our playbook if we want to make our other blocks more effective
Really solid vid. Enjoyed it. Is that table mod available somewhere here?
towards the end of the last video thread in this series
I really, really like your videos
You can explain yout thoughts very well and you have a clear and "easy listening" voice
also a fan of jk3a's vids.
must say though that the ear-bleeding ghost intro has stayed the same for so long and is really painful.
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Hi jk3a, love all your videos :-)
You C-bet the KJ on A
T
5
and you said villain isn't repping much and can be full of shit when he raised your c-bet(Which I can believe becuase Ax of spades isn't in his range for raising anymore on that board) and you would adjust in the future if you could find out if he was bluffy. What would your adjustment be being oop if you decided he was f*ing around enough on you? 3-bet him? Call and c/r turn?
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Can you outline why you decided to bet 46 into 52 on the river on the A5836r board vs xmasgrinch @ 100nl. It doesn't seem like there is any value in this because there really aren't any worse hands he can call with except A7, A4, A2. Wouldn't a smaller betsize be more appropriate here since villain is unlikely to ever bluff-raise, and may look you up with big pocket pairs if you bet smaller ?
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JJ hand - you didnt really consider folding as an option here , do you think a fold here is ok if we would rather advoid a difficult 3bet pot oop ?
What if xmassgrinch had 3bet you instead , this player had been playing a bit more loose aggro with 18% 3bet over the small sample ?
Is JJ to strong a hand to turn into a bluff with the intention of folding to a shove ?
Can you outline why you decided to bet 46 into 52 on the river on the A5836r board vs xmasgrinch @ 100nl. It doesn't seem like there is any value in this because there really aren't any worse hands he can call with except A7, A4, A2. Wouldn't a smaller betsize be more appropriate here since villain is unlikely to ever bluff-raise, and may look you up with big pocket pairs if you bet smaller ?
I discussed in video why I bet bigger, and against that specific opponent, it may not be the best play but I was mostly trying to show a situation where it can be valuable to bet very large with a medium hand strength against someone who may be capable of reading hands and be confused by the best size.
Hi jk3a, love all your videos :-)
You C-bet the KJ on AT
5
and you said villain isn't repping much and can be full of shit when he raised your c-bet(Which I can believe becuase Ax of spades isn't in his range for raising anymore on that board) and you would adjust in the future if you could find out if he was bluffy. What would your adjustment be being oop if you decided he was f*ing around enough on you? 3-bet him? Call and c/r turn?
Hopefully my comment here will appear appropriately in the timeline for you. Thank You.
the easiest way to play back oop against air would be to 3bet small. oop floating can be effective too, but it's usually better on drier boards like AA5r for example.
JJ hand - you didnt really consider folding as an option here , do you think a fold here is ok if we would rather advoid a difficult 3bet pot oop ?
What if xmassgrinch had 3bet you instead , this player had been playing a bit more loose aggro with 18% 3bet over the small sample ?
Is JJ to strong a hand to turn into a bluff with the intention of folding to a shove ?
i wouldn't fold pf and hopefully you find the situation less difficult after watching that part of vid.
vs xmasgrinch, 4betting becomes an option, but it would never be with the intention of folding to a shove
Dude, very good video! Love it, one question though
11.31
Don't you think that in general calling a 3b OP with JJ versus this type of opponent is -EV giving the fact that his range mostly contains big pairs JJ+ and AK(maybe AQ(s)). Eventhough villain doesn't seems like the kind of player that stabs a lot if he misses I still feel we're losing more money here long term than folding instead. What is your plan on a Qxx,Kxx,Axx board? I think these board are more important because an overcard will come ~55% and on the river ~75% (please correct me if Im wrong)
I assume in general c/c otherwise you wouldn't even call pf?If so, how do you feel about c/c the flop on these boards and c/f to further agression on the turn(since this villain obviously doesnt get out of line too much). Seems like we're really praying for a J (on both type of board) when calling PF which means we might as well be calling 77 in the same spot (no offence ofcourse, I love you Jk3a
,would love to hear you're thought about this.
Dude, very good video! Love it, one question though
11.31
Don't you think that in general calling a 3b OP with JJ versus this type of opponent is -EV giving the fact that his range mostly contains big pairs JJ+ and AK(maybe AQ(s)). Eventhough villain doesn't seems like the kind of player that stabs a lot if he misses I still feel we're losing more money here long term than folding instead. What is your plan on a Qxx,Kxx,Axx board? I think these board are more important because an overcard will come ~55% and on the river ~75% (please correct me if Im wrong)
I assume in general c/c otherwise you wouldn't even call pf?If so, how do you feel about c/c the flop on these boards and c/f to further agression on the turn(since this villain obviously doesnt get out of line too much). Seems like we're really praying for a J (on both type of board) when calling PF which means we might as well be calling 77 in the same spot (no offence ofcourse, I love you Jk3a,would love to hear you're thought about this.
i think calling is +ev, and the way the hand played out is a good example of why. however, for people who can't c/f the turn when they have an overpair, calling pf can be very -ev.
c/c Qxx, maybe Kxx and c/f most Axx obv depends on the bet size a bit
c/f on Axx makes sense, combination wise, never really thought about it that way I gotta admit. Still, this time he showed up with 66, but in general his range would never contain a hand like this, do you think we still should be calling 100% with JJ in this spot for this reason or would you go for a 40%c, 55%f 5%4b(c/f) line? (on this stake,since it varies a lot for 200NL+ obv)
Obviously the numbers I put in are random, how would you in general approach this?
c/f on Axx makes sense, combination wise, never really thought about it that way I gotta admit. Still, this time he showed up with 66, but in general his range would never contain a hand like this, do you think we still should be calling 100% with JJ in this spot for this reason or would you go for a 40%c, 55%f 5%4b(c/f) line? (on this stake,since it varies a lot for 200NL+ obv)
Obviously the numbers I put in are random, how would you in general approach this?
with the reads i had in game, i'd pretty much call 100%
Gatorade isn't really that good for you.
Great video as ever jk3a.
7:50, A8o table 4. You raise CO and villain you have 33 hands on calls from the BB and donks out $10 into $12.35 on 8d7d3s.
Maybe this doesn't apply as I haven't played 1/2 in a while, but do you not think raising here controls the pot size more easily? From my experience a lot of villains will donk/donk/donk here if we call the flop. We can't really continue if the board gets worse for the draws he's repping and even if the board remains unchanged, we're not happy. What tends to happen when you raise the flop is that villain 1) folds a lot, 2) calls and checks the turn (pot controlled) 3) villain reraises us and we can safely fold knowing we're up against a range of value hands and draws we're flipping with and thus probably a dog to his range unless we have reads that tell us otherwise (which we don't).
Great video as ever jk3a.
7:50, A8o table 4. You raise CO and villain you have 33 hands on calls from the BB and donks out $10 into $12.35 on 8d7d3s.
Maybe this doesn't apply as I haven't played 1/2 in a while, but do you not think raising here controls the pot size more easily? From my experience a lot of villains will donk/donk/donk here if we call the flop. We can't really continue if the board gets worse for the draws he's repping and even if the board remains unchanged, we're not happy. What tends to happen when you raise the flop is that villain 1) folds a lot, 2) calls and checks the turn (pot controlled) 3) villain reraises us and we can safely fold knowing we're up against a range of value hands and draws we're flipping with and thus probably a dog to his range unless we have reads that tell us otherwise (which we don't).
biggest reason i like calling more than raising is that his donking range does not equal his range that continues after you raise which you obv know because you said "1) folds a lot."
I do feel that raising for value/protection is def an ok play here. But keeping the pot smaller and playing against his wider range has more value i think.
Your 2) talks about the pot "being controlled" when he checks the turn. Not sure what that means with respect to how often you're betting the turn?
So excited that a coach is watching my vid ![]()
I encourage my students to watch your videos, good solid content and it obviously helps if I am familiar with the same content.
Regarding the pot control, that's the most important point I was trying to make in that by raising the flop we often keep the pot smaller overall than if we just call. What I see a lot is villain donking here then also donking the turn and the river and we don't really know what part of his range he's betting. If we raise the flop and villain calls he almost always checks the turn giving us the option to check it back and see the river, keeping the pot smaller than allowing him to bet all 3 streets. The reason my line may not be optimal here is because what I'm used to when villain donks the flop is for them to donk the turn and shove the river with a very high frequency (meaning that if I had 88 for a set rather than A8 for TP I'd be much happier to call than raise the flop and allow him to fire away). If villain is not donking all 3 streets very often then calling is probably better. From my experience I would expect him to fire all 3 streets if I have no reads (as here), but this may be incorrect for FTP 1/2.
Here's an example of what I mean. If I just call the flop I have good reason to believe villain would have bet/bet/shoved, but calling down with TP is speculative at best when all we beat is a bluff, I'm not sure what % of his range would need to be bluffs for a call/call/call line to be profitable, but it's certainly not small. Note that for the most part I do not expect most villains to bluff the river in this spot, the villain in question here is just the type that can't help himself. (Sorry for weird HH format - obscure Euro site).
Table Runes - 28.07.2009 - 09:25
Blinds : 5/10
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6 players
[SB] SB (1000)
[BB] BB (1325)
[1] UTG (1000)
[2] MP (1000)
[3] CO (1201)
[But] Hero (1098)
Dealt to Hero A
J
UTG folds
MP folds
CO folds
Hero raises 30
SB folds
BB calls 20
### FLOP ### J
T
3
Pot: 65
BB bets 50
Hero raises 160
BB calls 110
### TURN ### 5
Pot: 385
BB checks
Hero checks
### RIVER ### 4
Pot: 385
BB bets 350
Hero calls 350
BB shows Q
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I encourage my students to watch your videos, good solid content and it obviously helps if I am familiar with the same content.
Regarding the pot control, that's the most important point I was trying to make in that by raising the flop we often keep the pot smaller overall than if we just call. What I see a lot is villain donking here then also donking the turn and the river and we don't really know what part of his range he's betting. If we raise the flop and villain calls he almost always checks the turn giving us the option to check it back and see the river, keeping the pot smaller than allowing him to bet all 3 streets. The reason my line may not be optimal here is because what I'm used to when villain donks the flop is for them to donk the turn and shove the river with a very high frequency (meaning that if I had 88 for a set rather than A8 for TP I'd be much happier to call than raise the flop and allow him to fire away). If villain is not donking all 3 streets very often then calling is probably better. From my experience I would expect him to fire all 3 streets if I have no reads (as here), but this may be incorrect for FTP 1/2.
Cool, thx for the example. The only thing I find peculiar about your reasoning for keeping the pot smaller with a flop raise/turn check line is that villain bets the river quite often and you still end up with a similar sized pot if he had bet 3 streets.
fwiw, I def don't feel like they're firing 3x as a default.
Very excellent series sir! Look forward to more in the future.
on a side note, stopping pop for gatorade is a bad decision, there is a huge amount of sugar in gatorade and gatorade does contain electrolytes and too many can cause electrolyte imbalancements which can cause health issues. (your heart contraction, your muscle contraction etc). Stopping pop for water makes sense, pop for gatorade I would disagree with.
on a side note, stopping pop for gatorade is a bad decision, there is a huge amount of sugar in gatorade and gatorade does contain electrolytes and too many can cause electrolyte imbalancements which can cause health issues. (your heart contraction, your muscle contraction etc). Stopping pop for water makes sense, pop for gatorade I would disagree with.
thanks for the advice. most of what I drink now is water/juice/milk, etc.....I drink some gatorade but it's not at all like a 1:1 ratio of what the pop use to be
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