Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Hielko (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:15:27

with 44 Im rather wondering why you didn't check raise the flop. If you check call and he has pretty much anything other than top pair I expect him to slow down on the turn especially if a club hits. Unless of course he has top pair in which he did I think a check raise would have got more value and bet turn bet river for value. What do you think?

with 44 Im rather wondering why you didn't check raise the flop. If you check call and he has pretty much anything other than top pair I expect him to slow down on the turn especially if a club hits. Unless of course he has top pair in which he did I think a check raise would have got more value and bet turn bet river for value. What do you think?

Check/raising is obviously fine as well, but having sets in my range here is also really nice. EV-wise I don't think the difference between the two options are big in this spot. Most hands that will give action against the check/raise will continue valuebetting or bluffing if I check/call as well. And you do have some deception value if you slowplay a set on a flushdraw board.

At the same time it's also important to think about how your general strategy looks like in this spot, and how your range looks like. A big part of a check/call range here is often weak pairs, draws and A-high. Part of that range you might want to turn in a bluff on the turn/river, so having actually real hands in your range as well is good. Also because it makes it harder for villain to bluff you of the weak part of your range.

I am obvious going to be the one to bring up controversial spots ;p

The A4s hand when you overbet jam the turn....do you ever expect them to fold a Kx?
Draws are obviously folding here. But what makes you so certain that they can fold top pair when your line looks more like a draw/bluff than for value?

I am obvious going to be the one to bring up controversial spots ;p

The A4s hand when you overbet jam the turn....do you ever expect them to fold a Kx?
Draws are obviously folding here. But what makes you so certain that they can fold top pair when your line looks more like a draw/bluff than for value?

I'm obviously expecting him to fold a king, and really; you think my line looks like a (semi)bluff? You must be playing in crazy games to see bluffs here.

I'm obviously expecting him to fold a king, and really; you think my line looks like a (semi)bluff? You must be playing in crazy games to see bluffs here.

Im hugely confused now.

What line does this look like then? If you play value hands like this...but you expect him to fold top pairs (Their most likely holdings) ....then what do you get value from??? Seems contradictory.

Secondly, why cant this be a semi bluff? If you expect them to fold a Kx...then surely its a great semi-bluff spot?

NOTE: I changed my reply btw

Im hugely confused now.

What line does this look like then? If you play value hands like this...but you expect him to fold top pairs (Their most likely holdings) ....then what do you get value from??? Seems contradictory.

Not really, this is a spot were you really don't have another option of playing a value hand. Throwing money in this pot is always going to look strong, but slowplaying is not a good option because you are out of position and someone is going to have a flushdraw. And even if that draw misses on the turn it's hard to take a line that gets money in and keeps your hand strength hidden.

Secondly, why cant this be a semi bluff? If you expect them to fold a Kx...then surely its a great semi-bluff spot?

Your logic here doesn't add up. You are using my expection of him folding, as an argument that he should expect a semi bluff and call?!

Besides that, unless you consider my hand to be a semi-bluff as well, getting here on the turn with a more traditional semi-bluff such as a flushdraw is probably not a real good idea. The problem is that very often you are going to see a shove on the flop or folds, making it a waste of a flushdraw to try to semi-bluff.

Time Link to 00:11:26

Great 2nd part so far^^

One question @ this hand:
Was your plan to stab once on the turn or to stab here and also bet the river vs. his potcontroled range?
The thing is i would be worrying to stab here only once b/c this guy is cbetting basically always and now he is suddenly checking back.
though you are 3-way with a fish involved, the board is so dry and hence anyways good to cbet air on...
His checkback looks here b/c of his tendencies and the boardtexture imo pretty "unairish".

Srsly, this is the worst video i have ever seen, and first time commenting on one. I have seen proberly 6-700 vids.

Come on DC, where are the times where some of the best mid/high stakes players made vids all the time? Ansky, whitelime, etc. Is this site dead?

There was NO educational material in this video, it was 40 mins of iso-raising some fishes, and a bunch of bad plays. Floating in bad spots, valuecutting in bad spots (yeah, the AK bet is not profitable, he snap checks meaning his got a pocket pair or A high the majority of the time, and i really dont think he calls with AJ, so that makes value from AQ(sometimes) and valuecutting against all pocket pairs) etc.

Last time I renew my membership in here, and use 30 dollars on this even though I play 2/4-5/10 for a living.

Btw. no offense Hielko, I know you are a grinding winning player, but I really think this is bad.

Come on DC, where are the times where some of the best mid/high stakes players made vids all the time? Ansky, whitelime, etc. Is this site dead?

Not at all. New season starts Monday, we will have a video out on Sunday going over the content, you will be happy to know what is in store.

Srsly, this is the worst video i have ever seen, and first time commenting on one. I have seen proberly 6-700 vids.

There was NO educational material in this video, it was 40 mins of iso-raising some fishes, and a bunch of bad plays. Floating in bad spots, valuecutting in bad spots (yeah, the AK bet is not profitable, he snap checks meaning his got a pocket pair or A high the majority of the time, and i really dont think he calls with AJ, so that makes value from AQ(sometimes) and valuecutting against all pocket pairs) etc.

Could you give more feed back and time stamps to which hands you felt were bad float spots or bad value cuts and why?

Adding time links would be easiest for others to discuss them as well. Watch this short video on how to leave a time link.

That will be much easier for the coaches to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.

Btw. no offense Hielko, I know you are a grinding winning player, but I really think this is bad.

We'd love to hear the feedback to where you think Hielko misplayed, hopefully there is something that all of us can learn from it.

Thank you,
Joe

Great 2nd part so far^^

One question @ this hand:
Was your plan to stab once on the turn or to stab here and also bet the river vs. his potcontroled range?
The thing is i would be worrying to stab here only once b/c this guy is cbetting basically always and now he is suddenly checking back.
though you are 3-way with a fish involved, the board is so dry and hence anyways good to cbet air on...
His checkback looks here b/c of his tendencies and the boardtexture imo pretty "unairish".

I wouldn't be really tempted to continue bluffing, but don't think that him checking back here is telling us that he has a hand. If it would be heads up I'd totally agree with you, but here odds are that he simply doesn't have anything and didn't want to cbet multiway with a fish.

Srsly, this is the worst video i have ever seen, and first time commenting on one. I have seen proberly 6-700 vids.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like the video. I'm not perfect, and I'm not Ansky or Whitelime, but I'd like to think that I played reasonable solid in this vid. But if you disagree, happy to discuss it; maybe we can both learn something.

Not really, this is a spot were you really don't have another option of playing a value hand. Throwing money in this pot is always going to look strong, but slowplaying is not a good option because you are out of position and someone is going to have a flushdraw. And even if that draw misses on the turn it's hard to take a line that gets money in and keeps your hand strength hidden.

I agree overbet shoving looks uber strong, especially into 2 players. Im just not sure if a good thinking player would fold top pair here. Id be more inclined to fold to a pot size bet than an overbet. Looks suspicious.

Your logic here doesn't add up. You are using my expection of him folding, as an argument that he should expect a semi bluff and call?!

Sorry, i didnt explain myself properly. I mean, originally you said you expect players to fold a Kx hand here. Therefore, if we are semi-bluffing, then overbet shoving the turn is a great play as we get them to fold top pair...make any more sense? I do think we are both going round in circles though. Using each others arguments to make one point redundant.

Fwiw, i thought the video was good. Id ignore the guy above who just wants to hear the popular 'celebrities' of DC talking. Hielko is a proven winner in todays games, therefore you should take all the advice from him you can get.

Mike

I agree overbet shoving looks uber strong, especially into 2 players. Im just not sure if a good thinking player would fold top pair here. Id be more inclined to fold to a pot size bet than an overbet. Looks suspicious.

Given the stacksize and the potsize I think it's the only betsize that makes sense. A small bet is not an option with the flushdraw out there, and a bet closer to pot is effectively just the allin since it would just leave something like a 1/5 pot bet for the river.

Fwiw, i thought the video was good.

Thanks Mike!

I Id be more inclined to fold to a pot size bet than an overbet. Looks suspicious.


Fwiw, i thought the video was good. Id ignore the guy above who just wants to hear the popular 'celebrities' of DC talking. Hielko is a proven winner in todays games, therefore you should take all the advice from him you can get.

Mike

Have you noticed the SPR on the turn? An Overbet is here imo the only reasonable betsize - betting here 3/4-quarters or potsize is kinda fishy.
The only alternative would be imo to bet here kinda small (~half PS) to have ~effectively half PS left for a possible riverplay.
But being OOP 3-way, i would for sure prefer here to slightly overjam my whole range on the turh should I decide to bet. Any thinking player should notice that in this spot the overbet is not a "real" overbet in terms that you would be as well able to choose another reasonable betsizeamount....
So I would not weight here too much into the overbet.

I obv. agree with the 2ndpart of your post - in fact, many of the old legend-names are today "dead" - these here are the new names^^

Have you noticed the SPR on the turn? An Overbet is here imo the only reasonable betsize - betting here 3/4-quarters or potsize is kinda fishy.
The only alternative would be imo to bet here kinda small (~half PS) to have ~effectively half PS left for a possible riverplay.
But being OOP 3-way, i would for sure prefer here to slightly overjam my whole range on the turh should I decide to bet. Any thinking player should notice that in this spot the overbet is not a "real" overbet in terms that you would be as well able to choose another reasonable betsizeamount....
So I would not weight here too much into the overbet.

Just to point out, i would not pot bet here with my fds. lol. I was just using that as a hypothetical situation. I cant put together a range of hands id pot bet here. Its a spot where i am just not shipping the turn that often with any part of my range.

Im not sure how i would play my sets on the turn, shipping seems so strong and (As hielko pointed out) i expect loads of folds on the turn to a jam, that makes me more inclined to bet smaller. But that gives both players a good price on a call with draws...

Hielko, how would you play the turn here with your sets?

Hielko, how would you play the turn here with your sets?

Shove, and yes; would expect to get a lot of folds, but don't see a better option. If we check or bet small we only give the guy with a flush draw the right price to hit his hand, and even though we wouldn't pay him off if he hits; no reason to let him realize his pot equity share for no good reason. And of course sometimes you will get called here by worse if you shove (it's also not like the bluff here is guaranteed to work).

Shove, and yes; would expect to get a lot of folds, but don't see a better option. If we check or bet small we only give the guy with a flush draw the right price to hit his hand, and even though we wouldn't pay him off if he hits; no reason to let him realize his pot equity share for no good reason. And of course sometimes you will get called here by worse if you shove (it's also not like the bluff here is guaranteed to work).

Ah ok, that is very interesting. Gives me some fuel for thought.

Thanks for the discussion.

Oh, fwiw, i didnt actually look at villains stacksize...i just presumed you bet $244 into $115 which is obviously a large overbet. Villains only have $160 left, so totally ignore everything i brought up.

Overbet seems fine now, nothing to report.

Time Link to 00:30:42

65s table#1: What's your thought process here?

65s table#1: What's your thought process here?

Nothing special to report. Bit of a close hand pre, but don't mind playing it as well.

Nice min-serie.

Maybe in future we will see some of Your action on Ipoker & Ongame & Party ? Would be interesting to compare differences at SSNL between networks, Euro Tour- style.

Time Link to 00:19:59

Isn`t here cold4betting with the intention of getting it in w AQo kinda overplayed?
Even when the SB would have an overall 3bet_stat of 10%, then he likely has not such a high 3betstat in SBvsUTG.
In addition to that a coldbet looks with these positions imo so strong, that I think you will even not have the odds to call a 5betjam off b/c imo the 5betjam will be here superstrong, what is of course different with later positions vs the right opponents (for example in CovsBTNvsSB/BB).

If anything, then maybe you can coldbluff4bet here w AQo, depending on how much UTG is opening and folding to 3bets/4bets and how much SB is 3betting in SBvsUTG.
But 4bet/C seems at least for ne somewhat overplayed here tbh.

4bet/folding is certainly also a viable option, but think we certainly should be more inclined than normal to go for thinner value here since villain should be more suspicous if we cold 4bet him directly at the first opportunity.

Nice min-serie.

Maybe in future we will see some of Your action on Ipoker & Ongame & Party ? Would be interesting to compare differences at SSNL between networks, Euro Tour- style.

Thanks, but don't directly expect to see me making vids on other sites. Like to keep some of my SN's private, and play mostly on Stars anyway because of the software.

Time Link to 00:37:28

thx for answering to the previous question - here I would have a question to the K8s-hand.
I for sure get the flopcheck b/c of your stated reasoning.
Once Villain is missing his stab - do you think that you could have made a delayed cbet?
Maybe he has given you some credit for not cbetting an Ace-high-Board and have checked back his air on the flop + he also might fold a pair <J.
If we would make a delay cbet, I also would wonder if we could following through on the river on a blank to rep a hand like a weak Axs-hand or JJ in order to make his likely potcontroled holding or a spiked jack to fold?
Not sure about that...

Since that's a move you can't do every single time you are in a spot like this, probably best to do it when you actually have some equity. Having some kind of back door flush draw here would be nice. Don't think betting the river would be great, the flush draw misses. If you checked a weak ace on the flop it would be a pretty thin valuebet after the J also pairs on the river. Villains most likely calling hands on the turn would be the ace, the jack or a draw. Can't really vbet against that range with a weak ace.

Time Link to 00:05:00

Table4 JJ

No bet on the flop when the PFR checks? Surely he'd cbet Qx or better, so it would appear you have the best hand. When you check the JJ, you give the player behind you the green light to start barreling. Are you planning to check-call multiple streets if the board comes blank?

Time Link to 00:35:45

Why are you so reluctant to play small suited connectors in position?

Time Link to 00:18:36

What's your plan if villain 4bets to 45€ being 175bb's deep?

Table4 JJ

No bet on the flop when the PFR checks? Surely he'd cbet Qx or better, so it would appear you have the best hand. When you check the JJ, you give the player behind you the green light to start barreling. Are you planning to check-call multiple streets if the board comes blank?

It's not a great spot to be in when villain behinds me starts barreling, but if I would just bet all the time in this spot when the initial preflop raiser checks I also open myself up to getting floated/bluff raised. And if you do get called, you'll be in an equally though spot on the turn. So when I have something with showdown value that isn't extremely vulnerable I think it makes sense to check it.

Why are you so reluctant to play small suited connectors in position?

I might sometimes be a bit too nitty with them, but this spot here is imo actually a clear fold. We have a very tight/nitty regular opening in MP. His range is going to be strong postflop. So on a basic level, a small connector is a nice hand to play because you can make monsters and crack his premiums.

The problem is that you are not going to flop those hands. You are going to flop gutshots, straightdraws, flushdraws, second pair type of hands with backdoors. And what is your plan with these types of hands against someone with a strong range? Bluff raising; probably not attractive. Floating? Also not really if his range is strong. So that leaves you with calling down postflop, trying to hit, and hoping that he is going to pay you off after you hit... and especially when you hit the flushdraw, it's questionable if you are going to get that much action. Playing suited connectors is way better against weaker ranges where plays like floating, bluff raising, bluff catching are all better options.

What's your plan if villain 4bets to 45€ being 175bb's deep?

Probably fold, he's a fish and I would expect a 4bet to be super strong. But you never know what sizing and timing a fish is going to use, so don't have this plan set in stone.

Time Link to 00:37:48

not sure i am fan of value betting KJ here. i tend to bet river super thin vs fish, but i shoving here is -EV imo.

yes, he could call us with AT (well, he will call us AT), but basically all kings in his range beat us and there are a bazillion combinations of other 2pairs in his range.

i really have a problem coming up with more than AT and QT which would call us and we beat. maybe the occasional A9 or K2-K5.

@ fifilein - i played around with pokerstove on that spot , i found its fine to value bet there , thin but +EV if when we expect him to raise his 2pair + on the flop or turn.

Thanks for the video Hielko , good to see a reg just grinding as they would everyday

@fifilein; I certainly agree that it's a thin bet, but you have to consider that even when we have less than 50% equity against his calling range it can be a good bet. If we check we will presumably not always win the hand if we have the best hand, and never folding the best hands also add a bit to our ev here.

@shades; good to hear that you liked it

It's not a great spot to be in when villain behinds me starts barreling, but if I would just bet all the time in this spot when the initial preflop raiser checks I also open myself up to getting floated/bluff raised. And if you do get called, you'll be in an equally though spot on the turn. So when I have something with showdown value that isn't extremely vulnerable I think it makes sense to check it.

Thanks !

well i enjoyed watching it, good stuff

well i enjoyed watching it, good stuff

Thanks

I might sometimes be a bit too nitty with them, but this spot here is imo actually a clear fold. We have a very tight/nitty regular opening in MP. His range is going to be strong postflop. So on a basic level, a small connector is a nice hand to play because you can make monsters and crack his premiums.

The problem is that you are not going to flop those hands. You are going to flop gutshots, straightdraws, flushdraws, second pair type of hands with backdoors. And what is your plan with these types of hands against someone with a strong range? Bluff raising; probably not attractive. Floating? Also not really if his range is strong. So that leaves you with calling down postflop, trying to hit, and hoping that he is going to pay you off after you hit... and especially when you hit the flushdraw, it's questionable if you are going to get that much action. Playing suited connectors is way better against weaker ranges where plays like floating, bluff raising, bluff catching are all better options.

I get what you're saying, but we need to have a flatting range here and I'm guessing your not going to be a fan of having broadways in it that are easily dominated, so that really leaves the majority of our range as pocket pairs which we're set mining with if you exclude s/c type hands. The problem arises when villain realises that our flop raising range against him is almost entirely comprised of sets and means he can fold his overpairs and be happy about it. Don't we need a bluff-raising/continuing range against him and consequently have to have hands that flop good equity against overpairs in our pre-flop range? Or are you not worried about balance and exploitability against tight players that are playing abc?

Also, it's pretty funny how I read all of your posts in your accent.

Time Link to 00:23:50

Hi,

how do you get this popup stat in HEM? Do you use HM2?

Thanks

I get what you're saying, but we need to have a flatting range here and I'm guessing your not going to be a fan of having broadways in it that are easily dominated, so that really leaves the majority of our range as pocket pairs which we're set mining with if you exclude s/c type hands. The problem arises when villain realises that our flop raising range against him is almost entirely comprised of sets and means he can fold his overpairs and be happy about it. Don't we need a bluff-raising/continuing range against him and consequently have to have hands that flop good equity against overpairs in our pre-flop range? Or are you not worried about balance and exploitability against tight players that are playing abc?

Mostly not really worried about balance, when you notice villain folds a lot postflop and you don't get value with sets; adjust.

Also, it's pretty funny how I read all of your posts in your accent.

lol

Hi,

how do you get this popup stat in HEM? Do you use HM2?

Thanks

I'm using HM1, you can create that pop-up yourself.

Time Link to 00:21:29

So how do you take out old stats on a villian that sounds so plus EV. Thanks.

So how do you take out old stats on a villian that sounds so plus EV. Thanks.

It's an option in HM1 (additional HUD options in the menu)

It's an option in HM1 (additional HUD options in the menu)

Thank you sir. Very good video as well.

Time Link to 00:08:01

Why are you making a that large c bet? Dont you think a half size bet would be enough with both bluffs and value on this board? Do you never bet below +-3/4 of the pot?

Time Link to 00:13:59

Also you dont comment on your call SB with 44? I dont think it is a good call the BB seems to be fairly aggressive. Since you did not comment I assume you call this all the time? I woul like to 3 bet or fold instead.