Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by DeathDonkey (High Stakes)

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Excellent video. I am hoping that you and Mike L. will do Live Jive #2 given the circumstances. It is also nice that you made a few mistakes. It is nice to see this because I always think I should play "perfect" based on my best abilities to play.

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Cant we check/call? Lots of opponents will stab here with pretty much 100% since this is a board texture that you would have hit with your raising range, so when you limp you shouldnt connect very often. Sure you have a wider and more balanced limping range in this spot than most people, but its not for certain that Duggers knows this at this point unless you two are familiar with eachother.

I think "Shown Known Hole Cards" will reveal their hand on the river.

Edit: Just got to the point where you realised it.

I would like to learn more on open limping on the SB. Where should I look? Can someone point me to a video or forum thread?

I would like to learn more on open limping on the SB. Where should I look? Can someone point me to a video or forum thread?

What to do when episode 3 and 4 by Deathdonkey and Mike L.

Cant we check/call? Lots of opponents will stab here with pretty much 100% since this is a board texture that you would have hit with your raising range, so when you limp you shouldnt connect very often. Sure you have a wider and more balanced limping range in this spot than most people, but its not for certain that Duggers knows this at this point unless you two are familiar with eachother.

I think you'd have to be prepared to call multiple streets or else you are throwing the flop money away as he will bet again often. Tbh these limpy limp spots are weird

What to do when episode 3 and 4 by Deathdonkey and Mike L.

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I think you'd have to be prepared to call multiple streets or else you are throwing the flop money away as he will bet again often. Tbh these limpy limp spots are weird

Really? I mean, is this a board where people peel liberally in these small pots? Or in general, KJx isnt the best texture to blast away? And given that he didnt raise pf, he really shouldnt have any straight draws and we can probably remove 2/3 of his Kx and Jx range.

What's our c/c range in this spot gonna be?

Also can opponent really bet 100% given that it doesn't really do much for his range when he checks back pre?

Good video DD.

The Q9 hand is a tough spot. I can make a case for c/c, bet, or kr

Its a hand that if we bet, we are never really folding a better hand, nor do we have alot of equity if called.

My instinct was to kr initially.

Its prob a good hand to have in our flop kr range if you are going to play a limp SB strategy. Its a hand that benefits a great deal from a check behind from villain, nor is it good enough to B/3B as a "bluff"

Id use some stronger draws to "bluff" B/3B fwiw

Betting is also ok, given the board was resonably high, KJ8 i think... and most BB will insta raise most Kx and any good Jx preflop, so the chances of us taking the pot down are decent + the likelyhood of being raised are low, so even if we get called we have some equity on the turn.

I think its prob ok to c/c flop here too. I mean, our hand is a decent bluff catcher/ with outs and you will get alot of bets from air when you limp/check this flop as you shouldnt have a peice in BB's mind.

Its a bit too good to c/f

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i was thinking a fold might be a little better partially because khoren only has a few bets behind, so if we make a big hand we won't have quite the implied odds that we would if he were deeper. what do you think?

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what kinds of hands is he checkfolding on this turn? it seems like a flop where if it gets peeled then this turn card doesn't change anything. or is the idea that you both know that so a bet means you have something and then it turns into a leveling game? i ask because i don't know that i checkfold a ton on the turn in his spot vs an aggressive opponent who i assume has a wide range and can double barrel (given that i didn't fold the flop)

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what would you be doing with different 9x hands on this turn once you check and he bets?

i was thinking a fold might be a little better partially because khoren only has a few bets behind, so if we make a big hand we won't have quite the implied odds that we would if he were deeper. what do you think?

I think its the opposite because misterbunny will be more liberally 3 betting vs the shortie to get all in and flip with dead money. Plus if I play a sidepot vs bunny I will have position and basically be an annoyance to him.

what kinds of hands is he checkfolding on this turn? it seems like a flop where if it gets peeled then this turn card doesn't change anything. or is the idea that you both know that so a bet means you have something and then it turns into a leveling game? i ask because i don't know that i checkfold a ton on the turn in his spot vs an aggressive opponent who i assume has a wide range and can double barrel (given that i didn't fold the flop)

Well certainly stuff like unders to the king like QJ makes sense. Flop peel debatable but most people probably do continue there. Some people probably fold weak Ace highs there even though its a mistake I think given the board pair turn card. Bottom gutters and hands I beat already with jack high make sense too but giving those hands a free card would be bad anyway.

You can check/fold turn more in that spot if you start peeling a little lighter and also delaying some more value plays until the turn.

what would you be doing with different 9x hands on this turn once you check and he bets?

CRing all of them? I'd be CRing flop with like 98s and stuff though sometimes too.

CRing all of them? I'd be CRing flop with like 98s and stuff though sometimes too.

cool thanks, I wasn't sure if check/calling any of them as bluffcatchers would be viable or too weak.

I think its the opposite because misterbunny will be more liberally 3 betting vs the shortie to get all in and flip with dead money. Plus if I play a sidepot vs bunny I will have position and basically be an annoyance to him.

This makes sense, and misterbunny is the pf3bettor so he's the one we probably have more implied odds vs anyway as opposed to khoren. Guess I wasn't thinking straight when posting - thanks.

Cant we check/call? Lots of opponents will stab here with pretty much 100% since this is a board texture that you would have hit with your raising range, so when you limp you shouldnt connect very often. Sure you have a wider and more balanced limping range in this spot than most people, but its not for certain that Duggers knows this at this point unless you two are familiar with eachother.

Depending on the player I like leading out on the flop the best. If we do check the flop what do you think about c/r'ing? I complete agree that I would rather c/f the flop rather than c/c'ing.

The reason I like check raising the flop is because when we check this flop after limping pf, most players are firing their entire range. So we can get them to fold their air, second we can represent other draws when they hit. Also we still have a number of outs to hit if we are behind. I think the only real downside to c/r'ing is it opens us up to a 3 bet which would be a sticky situation.

Depending on the player I like leading out on the flop the best. If we do check the flop what do you think about c/r'ing? I complete agree that I would rather c/f the flop rather than c/c'ing.

The reason I like check raising the flop is because when we check this flop after limping pf, most players are firing their entire range. So we can get them to fold their air, second we can represent other draws when they hit. Also we still have a number of outs to hit if we are behind. I think the only real downside to c/r'ing is it opens us up to a 3 bet which would be a sticky situation.

I disagree with most of what you said. The only draw that we can represent if it comes is a flushdraw, and if our opponent has something he`s probably not going to fold anything anyway unless it comes heart heart on turn and river, which makes our semibluff cr very expensive. I agree with him bet-folding all of his air most of the time, but we dont have that many outs, i mean 10 against a random 8 is fine, but thats the best case scenario. I still like checkraise the least here and thats not even close for me on this hand.

ya the Q9 hand is prob the most interesting of the entire video and sort of dependant on what you would do with the rest of your range.

Psycho- what hands (if any) do u like to kr on this flop?

Well, assuming that i have these hands in my limping range, and for the sake of discussion lets do that; Checkraising my good jacks and bette,r flushdraws, 109, 97. I just feel like Q9 has that "too much sdvalue" to be checkraising and i also dont think anybody ever will fold worse unless we hit, and then what good did our semibluff do us.