Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by NoahSD (Mid Stakes)

curious to watch ...

this is what we need on Friday, none of that boring hand replayer stuff...

sweet!

Good to see that you recorded one with fish in it, will watch and comment asap

Isn't cold-calling a 3bet with 88 for set value a little too optimistic? Even though ZeGrim isn't 4betting much, he folds some amount of the time, destroying your implied odds. Even if he does call and the flop is like 443, you often just end up paying off another street to ivoz. How often do you expect to win the pot without a set?

Zyr,
Can you give me a time stamp?

At 12:23, the K4ss hand, I didn't really explain what I wanted to say well.

What I meant to say is that the only hands that I think are slightly reasonable to call with there are like 66+ and big cards. He's probably 3-betting preflop with like AJ+/KJ+ and if he doesn't 3-bet them he'll often 4-bet them or fold them now, so the only big cards he could really have are like QJ/TJ/AT--probably just suited. So that leaves him with very few hands that he'll fold on this flop.

Wow, u fold a lot

Isn't cold-calling a 3bet with 88 for set value a little too optimistic? Even though ZeGrim isn't 4betting much, he folds some amount of the time, destroying your implied odds. Even if he does call and the flop is like 443, you often just end up paying off another street to ivoz. How often do you expect to win the pot without a set?

Please leave a time-stamp or better yet, Watch This Video, and leave a time link!

That will be much easier for the coaches to find the hand and answer your questions, thanks.

At about 26:00, my 3-bet sizing was obv a mistake. I'd normally go like 25 there.. I guess I was just distracted cause I was talking .

urcatisahat,
Pretty rare that I get accused of that. I guess I made a few biggish folds in this video. Got any specific hands where you think my fold was questionable? (Please include time stamp.)

Zyr,
Can you give me a time stamp?

49:00 (sorry, I can't use the web player)

Noassty! I expect to run good because my thought process will be out of control after watching this.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1041-NoahSD-3-200NL?seek=1876

Noah

I'm interested in this line you took with the FD here. I've been thinking about raising the turn more as a bluff recently on boards where villain rarely has > one pair or has a wide bluff range (or both). Obviously this line is particularly good against people with a wide 2 barrel range (less so if they b/c a jack here) and we rep a pretty strong range with our turn c/r. Like you hinted at, most average/good players will play quite well versus a flop raise and we are more likely to own them on later streets.

1 - Do you think we credibly rep enough huge hands here versus a random TAG? (JJ KK KJ are usually 3Betting; often people won't setmine the smallest pairs vs a steal and likely c/r the flop at least some % with sets - obviously all this can change with history)

2 - Do you like a similar line IP? e.g. with a weak FD like in this hand or a float on a dry board that picks up equity (like call KQcc IP on 7h5d2c and shove 5c versus rampant barreller)

Zyr,
TBH, I'm not really sure. My hunch is to say that it's really close. The math is really tricky 3 ways, so I won't even attempt. (Could be a really sweet problem for Poker Razor, though, if you've got some time on your hands.) In the vid, I just called cause it can't be too bad and it's NL200 and I'm making a video .

If Ze comes along, I don't really expect to win unimproved too often at all, but I also think that when a pair of eights is good postflop, I'll get to showdown fairly often. If Ze doesn't come along, I expect to win unimproved something like 30% of the time maybe.

Maleficus,
GL, sir.

g_marshy,
1) On this specific turn, I just think there are very few hands that he's going to bet/call. A lot of his two barrel range will be total air, some will be draws that won't be getting odds unless they know that I have a weak draw almost always, and his value range is fairly thin.

Because of that, I'm not really concerned about what I'm repping because there are a ton of hands that are just autofolds for him no matter what. He might have your thought process and bet/call something fairly marginal like QQ or KT or something, but a lot of those hands are checking back anyway, and even if they bet/call, my c/r is still good as long as he's bluffing that turn fairly often, like he is.

On most other turn cards, I'd expect his barreling range to have less air, but I'd also expect to have more FE vs. his one pair hands because my line would look more credible.

2) Yeah.. I def like this line in position as well.


I do wanna mention, though, that a huge part of why this line is good is because of stack sizes. With deeper stacks, I can't c/shove the turn, which is a big problem because depending on specific stacks, I end up either putting in a lot on the turn when I'm beat or not getting to see the river on the turn when I'm beat. With shorter stacks, my turn c/shove doesn't have much FE.

So, with deeper stacks I'd c/r the flop. With shorter stacks, I'd c/shove the flop if I'm short enough to get away with that (like less than a 1.5x pot shove or so) and just c/c flop and c/f most whiffed turns if I have a sorta in between stack where a c/shove on the flop is too expensive to be profitable but a turn c/shove wouldn't have any FE.

25.54, table 4, 5 handed you squeeze TT vs EP and CO and EP reraise/shoves. I agree completely with how you played the hand but I would be interested to know what you view as the bottom of villain's range in this spot?

vacuum,
I hate to just sorta ignore your question, but I don't really think he has a fixed bottom to his range. I think (given my stupid sizing) he's almost always going to shove something like AJs+/AQ+/88+. Then I think there's like a 25% chance he shoves something like ATs/A9s and like a 15% chance he shoves like A2s-A8s and like a 10% chance he shoves a suited connector and like a 35% chance he shoves like 66/77/AJo and like 5% chance shoves a hand I haven't mentioned yet. That was sorta rough, but you get the idea.

My calling range is 99+/AQ+.

Don't worry, that's just what I was looking for. Thanks for the reply, and the video.

noah you play really good and you're replies to video comments are great. keep up the good work you make me want to keep my subscription forever.

Noah,

Your vids are super, super sick. Keep up the good work.....

Videos not working right... Its lagging big time for me.

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You mentioned you would ship it in with 88 here sometime against certain players especially if you have reads on the bet size and their tendency etc. Does it mean it is always a fold or shove decision for you in this spot OOP?
Would you ever consider flat the turn and fold to river bet if you are in position?

good content but your voice going up in the end of every sentence really tilts me lol..I guess its better than total monotone boring commentary.

edit: I meant the way you drag out the last word or whatever

Hi Noah,

ty for the vid.
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1041-NoahSD-3-200NL?seek=2223

At 37:00 you decide to check behind on the turn when you cbet a flushdraw, and turned a gutshot along w/ your fd.
I mean, the T is obviously not the biggest scarecard in the deck, but imo it's an overcard to the board (which probably makes him fold smaller pockets) and it gives you 4 more outs to the nuts.

Would you normally consider betting this turn against a different kind of villain?

NoahSD in shock admittance, "I like 3betting". Poker world in shock.

Another good video Noah and you do a great job with these ghost videos rambling both about poker stuff and some fairly funny comments. Helps to keep the vids interesting.

One hands:

44:44: You 3bet AJcc sb vs btn vs a fishier player and cbet 762cc. Turn 8c and you debate between betting 72/40ish. Is there some argument for the smaller bet as a weaker player might call with whatever hands with a club to a smaller bet while he might fold those to a bigger bet?

Hi Noah,

ty for the vid.
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1041-NoahSD-3-200NL?seek=2223

At 37:00 you decide to check behind on the turn when you cbet a flushdraw, and turned a gutshot along w/ your fd.
I mean, the T is obviously not the biggest scarecard in the deck, but imo it's an overcard to the board (which probably makes him fold smaller pockets) and it gives you 4 more outs to the nuts.

Would you normally consider betting this turn against a different kind of villain?

+1 on this one, also, would this be a good spot to just fire 3 as he often calls the turn with a 9, but could very well fold the river and probably has a fair few weaker hands in his range anyway. Probably not the best villain for this play, but we do have a massive chunk of equity to go along with our fold equity.

Really liked this vid. Hope, you'll go on. Also I like your voice going up at the end of each sentence. Sometimes, it sounds a bit funny depending on what you're talking about. That's nice.

Your tendency to play more hands in closer spots is interesting, as well. At the beginning, I thought that it could be a problem, when people try to play looser as well, then. But I think, one should think of the postflop play anyway before making a loose raise preflop. So, it doesn't really matter but increased the number of hands. Fine, again.

Keen to hear you commenting the other question which I find interesting, as well.

Flaming, Ulkis, Magaca, dispatch3d, stmarys,
Thanks for the kind words.

ackid,
That sucks. I have no idea how to help you, though. Try posting in the All About DC forum maybe?

yao,
Yeah, I would never call there. With the pot size so large relative to stacks (calling would leave us with like half pot), and a lot of his air having 10 outs against us, protection is really important.

I don't like my commentary on that hand in general, though. I completely brainfarted and didn't see the fact that my preflop call looks incredibly strong with these stacks at NL200 where regs pretty much only flat there with like JJ+. I prob should be mucking the flop because of that and pretty much never shoving the turn against anyone. (I'm used to playing in games that are hyper-aggressive and 200+ BBs deep, where the dynamic of cold calling 3-bets is totally different.)

Capor,
Sorry that bugs you. My voice annoys the hell out of me, too, so you're not alone.

panopt + knut,
Yeah.. I'd bet that turn against a different kind of villain. I was just thinking that this guy is prob never mucking a 9 and he has a 9 really often. knut's idea of betting 3 streets works really well against people who fold really often to the river bet, but it's a very expensive bluff, so it has to work very often. Vs. some fish who limp/called preflop, I don't like it because it's too likely he gets stubborn.

knut,
lol. Glad you liked the video.

That's exactly what I was thinking about in the AcJc hand. But basically I decided that if he has pair + club or a pair + OESD, then the best play is to bet big because if I bet small he might call a and fold to a river shove, but if I bet big he prob won't be able to fold since he seems fishy. Since that's such a huge part of his range, I went with the big bet.

Eisflamme,
Glad you liked the vid, and glad you enjoy my voice.

Yeah.. I just thought it'd be fun to play a few more hands so that I could spend more time talking about hands and less time filling dead air. As it happens, I didn't get too many closish preflop spots, so I ended up not mattering much IIRC.

I like your videos, too, but:

in the vid you said like 2 or more times that you are playing looser on nl200, because you have an edge (for sure you have, that's not the question^^). But: I would more like to see a vid, about how to beat this limit as a "normal" player.

Right now I'm moving up to nl200 and I really enjoy to see, what plays are possible, but I think if I would try them all right now, with the wisdom I have about poker, I would make a lot of spewy plays (exaggerated).

maybe the next time, when you make a nl200 vid, it could be a more, how to say, "straight forward". if not, that's ok, too, but maybe you can think about it

CivSTART, I'm not Noah, but my opinion about this is that you shouldn't just take plays or spewyness or looseness out of the vid. You should try to gain by comprehending the thoughts behind the plays. Then, you should try to think on your own. If it's not sure enough, you won't make the plays. So, you actually don't lose, if you're not as good as Noah, if you manage to fold before you make this bluff with an uncertain mind.

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Stack off villains on table 1. Call 3B in position 88. NoTalentTom stacks off QQ on A-h board vs set. Check-call turn and river (overbet villain).

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Why should he have 3Bet ATo out of position?

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Table on the bottom right: You 3Bet ATo blind vs blind and get called. You cbet $25 in a $37 pot on a 332ss board. Why this size? Can’t you get away with $20? Subsequently you get checkraised allin by villain. What do you think of his move, range and whether it is any good.

You comment on people’s avatars. Would you advocate having no avatar (like yourself)? can you elaborate a bit more on this topic?

Thanks!

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you raised the utg limper w/9Ts, standard. All else equall, what would you do if utg opened with a minraise? Still put on med pair or is it a stronger range?

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if you would of hit, lets say 6d and he bets 60% of pot, would you just call? What if he c/r?

Really enjoy this vid!

I like your videos, too, but:

in the vid you said like 2 or more times that you are playing looser on nl200, because you have an edge (for sure you have, that's not the question^^). But: I would more like to see a vid, about how to beat this limit as a "normal" player.

Right now I'm moving up to nl200 and I really enjoy to see, what plays are possible, but I think if I would try them all right now, with the wisdom I have about poker, I would make a lot of spewy plays (exaggerated).

maybe the next time, when you make a nl200 vid, it could be a more, how to say, "straight forward". if not, that's ok, too, but maybe you can think about it

there are some really good jon greenway and jk3a vids for this IMO

CivSTART, I'm not Noah, but my opinion about this is that you shouldn't just take plays or spewyness or looseness out of the vid. You should try to gain by comprehending the thoughts behind the plays. Then, you should try to think on your own. If it's not sure enough, you won't make the plays. So, you actually don't lose, if you're not as good as Noah, if you manage to fold before you make this bluff with an uncertain mind.

+1

the thought process is way more important than the actual plays noah makes. for example, if you 3-bet someone BU/CO with junk, your reasoning shouldn't be "well noah did it a lot in his video", it should be "noah did it a lot in his video BECAUSE his opponent folds to 3-bets and folds to c-bets when he does call" or something like that. gl!

civ,
I don't think I played THAT much looser in this vid than I thought was optimal, and I tried to mention when I was playing a bit looser than I think is good. I was also only looser preflop, not preflop.

Plus, like steve and civstart said, I also explained my thought process in a lot of spots. The goal for you when you watch these vids shouldn't be to learn to imitate my play in the ~300 hands I managed to play during the vid; it should be to learn to imitate the thought processes I discussed while I was playing the hands and in these comments.

Edmuntus,

Stack off villains on table 1. Call 3B in position 88. NoTalentTom stacks off QQ on A-h board vs set. Check-call turn and river (overbet villain).

Interesting hand. Definitely didn't notice it when I made this.

I actually think both players took a reasonable line, here, though a lot definitely depends on history and I have no idea what history they have.

Why should he have 3Bet ATo out of position?

Lots of reasons. 3-betting is better than calling here vs any hand that doesn't 4-bet and isn't JJ+. All other hands whiff the flop the vast majority of the time, as does my hand. So if I 3-bet and fold out a hand that otherwise would've won the pot on the majority of flops, that's great. If I 3-bet and get called by a hand that is now going to fold to lots of c-bets instead of forcing me to fold to a lot of c-bets, that's also great. I also make it much more likely that I stack him if I flop top pair and he flops second pair, which is awesome. I also get to see a turn card more often, though that's a small consideration.

Table on the bottom right: You 3Bet ATo blind vs blind and get called. You cbet $25 in a $37 pot on a 332ss board. Why this size? Can’t you get away with $20? Subsequently you get checkraised allin by villain. What do you think of his move, range and whether it is any good.

I think 20 is small enough that it gets called by two overs a lot, which is pretty terrible for us since it won't be enough of his range to profitably two barrel or to call a river bet on most turn/rivers (if the board totally blanks, I would be checking back turn and calling a river bet), so we end up losing the pot to a lot more hands.

His c/r all in is bad with any two cards. There are probably a lot of people who are way more qualified than me to guess at a random NL200 fish's range here, so I could be way off here, but I would expect to see a lot of flush draws and a lot of mid pairs.

You comment on people’s avatars. Would you advocate having no avatar (like yourself)? can you elaborate a bit more on this topic?

Thanks!

I have no avatar because I think that makes opponents less likely to remember me, or to recognize that I'm at more than one table with them. I doubt it helps much, but I also don't really have much desire to have an avatar anyway. If it'll make you happy, you should probably have an avatar.

I regret bringing up avatar stereotyping in the video because I really have no idea how to describe what I'm doing. Basically, regs tend to have avatars that look better to me, maybe because regulars and I tend to share a lot in common so we often have a similar aesthetic. In general, an avatar that's really poor quality is likely to be a fish. A baby avatar is likely to be a fish. In fact, any non-professional picture of a person is likely to be a fish. Anything that's intentionally funny tends to be a regular. PIctures from TV shows and movies tend to be regulars. etc etc.

Chimeni,

you raised the utg limper w/9Ts, standard. All else equall, what would you do if utg opened with a minraise? Still put on med pair or is it a stronger range?

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking how I'd play if he'd minraised preflop and then check/called the flop? I'd give up on the turn because it's harder for me to rep Ax there and his range is going to include a lot of slowplayed Ax and not many mid pairs--since fish love to bet mid pairs on the flop there.

if you would of hit, lets say 6d and he bets 60% of pot, would you just call? What if he c/r?

Really enjoy this vid!

I wouldn't stop betting and raising until I got it in. Because he limp/called preflop, he has plenty of lower diamonds in his range and not as many Axdd hands as I'd be worried about if he'd taken any other line preflop.

You often say limp/calling doesn't involve Ax hands so much as other hands. I'm not sure whether you mean especially fish or what kind of players but in my opinion limp/calling with Ax hands is definitely fish standard. I mean, I would almost never 2nd barrel or riverbluff a c-betted flop, if there's an A and villain limp/called preflop.
Maybe I just misunderstood you.

I think in general limp/calling ranges tend to be pretty wide, and Ax tends to be discounted in them, so Ax tends to be a small part of limp/calling ranges. It probably varies by stakes and site, and certainly varies by player. If a player is like 50 VPIP and 2 PFR, then obviously he's limp/calling Ax. If he's 30 VPIP and 20 PFR, I wouldn't expect him to limp/call much Ax at all.

Ok, thanks.

at 31:30 the hand where you have 76ss

my question is you mention you are betting this river if you hadnt picked up some showdown value, but you talk about how you think a lot of decent hands are checking behind this turn so you arent calling a bet if he bets. Does that not swing it to just giving up with 7 high (had you not picked up a pair) since so much of his range that you can fold out that 7 high doesnt beat, is actually betting this turn since its such a great card to barrel, while lots of hands like QQ and Jx and even Kx (since like you mentioned a turn bet looks so strong) are checking back to either pot control or to get value on river that they cant get on turn, and there's an obvious missed draw for them to put you on and even make a hero call with A high sometimes. Does betting the river actually have a positive expectation?


great video, I will def be watching it again!

oh, also wanted to mention, you give off some pretty sick timing tells. Insta checking hands medium strength hands you intend to call with, stuff like that. I imagine it was due to making a video and what not, but figured id throw that out there anyway

26:03: you squeeze TT IP vs a guy that seems to be a reg, it obviously is for value, I can't see you squeeze fold TT like ever but.. don't you think its a bit too marginal without history? I personally usually polarize my 3betting/squeezing range hard IP but when I get the feeling my image is getting crazy I mix it up by squeezing 99 TT AQ IP.. it just looked a bit marginal without any history, obviously, it seems that the stars and ftp games are alot more aggro then the games I play in on some euro site, is squeezing/stacking off with TT in that spot std vs stars regs?

31:48: you call 67s from the SB against a pretty weak 17/8 player, would you have 3bet against a strong reg opening at your regular stakes? Also, let's say our hand was 88, the board and actions are completely the same except that the river brings the 7 of spades completing the flush, would you consider riverbluffing? I think when he checks back that K turn he usually has something {like 99 TT QQ Jx} that is going for thin value on the river.

44:24: AcJc hand vs the loose passive player, what are your toughts about check/shoving the turn against thinking aggressive players?

46:38: you float AQ on JdJs3d, what if, you were in villain his shoes, and you had AJ in that spot, your opponent calls IP (a strong player like yourself) and the flush hits, toughts on check/calling?

What are your toughts on minraising a wide range OTB vs 2 regs in the blinds?

I saw you calling pretty wide from the SB and BB, in your opinion, what are the differences between SB and BB that you have to consider before making calls?

solecism,
in the 76ss hand, I think he has Jx or better on the river something like half the time. When he bets when checked to, it's more like 85% of the time.

Aart,

26:03: you squeeze TT IP vs a guy that seems to be a reg, it obviously is for value, I can't see you squeeze fold TT like ever but.. don't you think its a bit too marginal without history?

That's a very standard 3-bet in these games. I'm not too thrilled when I get 4-bet, but I am pretty happy when I get called, and I'm also pretty happy when they both fold. See my response to edmuntus about 3-betting for more on why I don't think you should be polarizing your 3-betting range.

31:48: you call 67s from the SB against a pretty weak 17/8 player, would you have 3bet against a strong reg opening at your regular stakes? Also, let's say our hand was 88, the board and actions are completely the same except that the river brings the 7 of spades completing the flush, would you consider riverbluffing? I think when he checks back that K turn he usually has something {like 99 TT QQ Jx} that is going for thin value on the river.

Whether or not I 3-bet there just depends on how often I expect my opponent to fold to a 3-bet there. I think I'd need about 60% to make 3-betting better than calling.

If I had 88 and the river came 7s, I wouldn't turn my hand into a bluff because I just don't think he's folding a better hand often enough.

44:24: AcJc hand vs the loose passive player, what are your toughts about check/shoving the turn against thinking aggressive players?

I don't like it. A good thinking aggressive player's range here is going to include a lot of hands that he's absolutely not folding but that may check back. Lots of pairs + decent FDs and pairs + OESD + FD, etc.

46:38: you float AQ on JdJs3d, what if, you were in villain his shoes, and you had AJ in that spot, your opponent calls IP (a strong player like yourself) and the flush hits, toughts on check/calling?

I don't like it. The only hands I'm floating on that board are AQ and KQ, so it's not like floats are a huge part of my range. Most of my range is going to be mid PPs, which will check back if he checks but usually call a bet.

What are your toughts on minraising a wide range OTB vs 2 regs in the blinds?

Depends on the regs. I do this vs. nits.

I saw you calling pretty wide from the SB and BB, in your opinion, what are the differences between SB and BB that you have to consider before making calls?

Depends a lot on who the BB is. If the BB is a solid, aggressive player, I'm significantly tighter in the SB because I don't want to get squeezed. If BB is a nit or just a reg who doesn't 3-bet much, I'm probably roughly the same in the BB and the SB. If the BB is a fish, I'm much lighter in the SB than the BB because I get good equity when BB comes along.

yayy just saw this new ghost. can't wait to watch.. Noah's vids are awesome.

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You say that villain is going to call the turn very often and fold vs a river 3 barrel. Why would you make a small 1/2 pot turn bet in that case? If he calls a bigger bet and then folds it's even better for you. And since his turn calling range is a lot of pair+straightdraw type of hands his calling range vs a bigger bet doesn't get that much narrower I would guess.

You say that villain is going to call the turn very often and fold vs a river 3 barrel. Why would you make a small 1/2 pot turn bet in that case? If he calls a bigger bet and then folds it's even better for you. And since his turn calling range is a lot of pair+straightdraw type of hands his calling range vs a bigger bet doesn't get that much narrower I would guess.

Sounds like you're right, but I can't find the hand you're talking about. Time stamp goes to the very beginning of the vid.

The hand was @ 8:20 on table 1.

The hand was @ 8:20 on table 1.

Yeah, you're right. I bet small there out of habit because I'm used to a lot of similar spots where a bigger bet folds out a decent amount of hands that I want to call and then fold the river.

When you talk about keeping your range less polarize when 3 betting, you are talking about 3betting out of position right? It makes sense, flatting hands like KQo or ATo even though may be ahead of their pfr raising range, you just don't have enough equity post flop. Since villain will have initiative and position.

But in position it's better to call in position more and 3bet a polarized range? Your main goal in 3 betting in position is just to win the initial raise. Whereas if you 3 bet oop, you are not only trying to set up to win the initial raise but you are also looking for the initiative stab on the flop if he does happen to defend.

I dont know if that makes sense. It's late at night and i'm tired.

I'd just say our deception advantage needn't be so big IP because we're already possessive of the positional advantage - just going from the assumption that we should polarize OOP more than IP. I didn't hear that from NoahSD (because I wasn't attentive enough )

Barrin + Eisflamme,
You guys are right that you can get away with calling more with marginal hands in position. I still usually 3-bet hands like AT/KQ/KJ, though, because the same logic applies... now there's just a bit more equity to calling and a bit more equity to 3-betting and getting called.

I won't 3-bet them all the time against regs that I play with a lot because I'd like them to see them in my calling range sometimes, but I'm still 3-betting them the vast majority of the time in that case. The times when I consistently don't 3-bet them are pretty standard--against stations who rarely fold preflop and rarely fold to c-bets, against people who 4-bet really often, and against people with super tight ranges preflop.

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Defintely would be betting here.

Your assumption: villain not have a lot of mid pp's in his range preflop. I disagree; he's 39/30 over a smallish sample and I feel like you have a lot of FE here. Any reasons you're feeling this that I'm just not getting?

Agreed that 9x could be in his range, as well as flush draws and other draws such as gutters and the OESD (this is on the flop). I just imagine this guy is going to c/c decently wide here. Given this, and given the fact that we're losing on any non-K,Q,J river which misses a flush, I'd think we should take advantage of our pot equity and just bet here in position.

I agree that our fold equity isn't phenomenal, but I feel like it's better to be keeping the initiative in the pot here, especially when we have position and can potentially triple A's as bluff (probably not the best guy to run this play against, but still) and bet K's and Q's for value.

Thoughts? Well done on the vid btw.

just noticed that you sort of answered my question above. i feel like villain could still have a 9 often and will fold it a relatively small amt of the time, but vs. the entirety of his range and some small FE, it's still a bet :-P

at least, i think so. you're a BIT better than me though :-D

Can someone please tell me how to get this mod for PS???

Thanks!

-heehaaw12

Defintely would be betting here.

Your assumption: villain not have a lot of mid pp's in his range preflop. I disagree; he's 39/30 over a smallish sample and I feel like you have a lot of FE here. Any reasons you're feeling this that I'm just not getting?

Agreed that 9x could be in his range, as well as flush draws and other draws such as gutters and the OESD (this is on the flop). I just imagine this guy is going to c/c decently wide here. Given this, and given the fact that we're losing on any non-K,Q,J river which misses a flush, I'd think we should take advantage of our pot equity and just bet here in position.

I agree that our fold equity isn't phenomenal, but I feel like it's better to be keeping the initiative in the pot here, especially when we have position and can potentially triple A's as bluff (probably not the best guy to run this play against, but still) and bet K's and Q's for value.

Thoughts? Well done on the vid btw.

FWIW, someone who's 39/30 barely ever limps mid PPs (because they're raising 30% of hands on average). The sample's too small to say too much about his preflop tendencies, but given how rare open limping mid PPs is and the fact that he doesn't have incredibly passive stats over this sample, I think it's very unlikely he has a mid PP here.

I just don't really see anything in your post that overcomes the fact that if we bet we're putting in more chips against a range that beats us with almost no fold equity.

heehaaw,
http://software.deucescracked.com/DC_STARS_052009.exe

I'm going to start displaying my gold star status now, so people will think I'm a fish.

I admit that I'm also guilty of stereotyping players based on their # of stars, but I think there are a lot of players (even good ones) who play on multiple sites. Just because they don't multitable at pokerstars enough to get supernova, doesn't automatically make them a fish. And on the flip side, supernova status does not necessarily mean that someone is a "good player." A lot of players will get supernova by playing tons of sit-n-go's or MTT's, and (especially at these stakes) they may be just learning cash games. Or they're playing a ton of tables and are super-nits.

I've seen a LOT of players at these stakes who multi-table every day and are terrible players. They may think they are pros, but they are really just action junkies. Your stereotypes may be accurate at higher stakes, but at NL200 there just aren't that many players you can assume to be "good" just because they're playing four or six tables.

I did like your video, and I'll definitely watch the next one. Thanks for taking the time to come back and respond to everyone's comments.

I'm not saying that these things are true 100% of the time. For example, I'm a silver star and I display it, and I think I'm good.

I do think that it's helpful to look at these things to help you make your decision. I mean.. just because someone's 6-tabling doesn't mean that they're not raising A9o UTG, but if someone is 6-tabling, I'm going to severely discount that in their range and if they're 1-tabling and displaying silver star, I'm going to assume it's like 70% in their range.

As a poker player, you have to be comfortable with the idea of imperfect information. Just like when you make a river call because you think you're good 30% of the time or whatever (even though in reality your opponent only has one hand and you're either good or you're not), you have to learn to make decisions because your opponent has x% chance of being a fish (even though in reality your opponent is one player, not a mix of many players).

I really like your videos, but can you please say which table number the action you're talking about is on a bit more often.

I really like your videos, but can you please say which table number the action you're talking about is on a bit more often.

Glad you like them.

I'll try to remember to do that. Please let me know if there's any spot where you're not sure which table I'm talking about.

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Can you explain the TT hands a bit more (as read the replies and still wasn't 100% on it) when you squeeze and stack off. 24 mins in. You said it was standard. Are we not over playing TT a bit here? As it would play well multi way in position. I tend to have difficulty with these spots, as I hate it when I get 4 bet, and struggle to make the correct decision? Is it as simpe as from his point of view, you are squeezing wide. So he can shove and collect the dead money a lot of the time?

Can you explain the TT hands a bit more (as read the replies and still wasn't 100% on it) when you squeeze and stack off. 24 mins in. You said it was standard. Are we not over playing TT a bit here? As it would play well multi way in position. I tend to have difficulty with these spots, as I hate it when I get 4 bet, and struggle to make the correct decision? Is it as simpe as from his point of view, you are squeezing wide. So he can shove and collect the dead money a lot of the time?

Looking back at that hand.. I have no idea why I raised to 30 and not like 24. I guess that's just me sucking at playing and talking at the same time.

But, yeah, the 3-bet is standard because TT plays way better HU in a 3-bet pot than 3-way in a raised pot (obv this doesn't really apply as much when I'm dumb and make an insanely large 3-bet) and just because TT's a pretty strong hand. Calling the shove is standard because of what you said--He's going to be shoving some light hands because he can expect me to be squeezing light.

I gave a range for him here:

I think (given my stupid sizing) he's almost always going to shove something like AJs+/AQ+/88+. Then I think there's like a 25% chance he shoves something like ATs/A9s and like a 15% chance he shoves like A2s-A8s and like a 10% chance he shoves a suited connector and like a 35% chance he shoves like 66/77/AJo and like 5% chance shoves a hand I haven't mentioned yet. That was sorta rough, but you get the idea.

Barrin + Eisflamme,
You guys are right that you can get away with calling more with marginal hands in position. I still usually 3-bet hands like AT/KQ/KJ, though, because the same logic applies... now there's just a bit more equity to calling and a bit more equity to 3-betting and getting called.

I won't 3-bet them all the time against regs that I play with a lot because I'd like them to see them in my calling range sometimes, but I'm still 3-betting them the vast majority of the time in that case. The times when I consistently don't 3-bet them are pretty standard--against stations who rarely fold preflop and rarely fold to c-bets, against people who 4-bet really often, and against people with super tight ranges preflop.

Hey NoahSD, do you think you can explain this a bit more? I always thought 3betting wide against stations to get more value out of them is the optimal play. What is the reasoning for flatting with a hand like ATs or KQ against a station rather than 3betting?

Hey NoahSD, do you think you can explain this a bit more? I always thought 3betting wide against stations to get more value out of them is the optimal play. What is the reasoning for flatting with a hand like ATs or KQ against a station rather than 3betting?

I prob should've been more clear there, but it was just a passing comment. I'm not talking about massive fish who will raise/call with a range that KQo crushes... I'm talking about people who rarely fold to 3-bets but still have calling ranges that don't include many hands that KQo dominates.

For example, BU vs. CO, someone's opening range might look something like this (sorry for poker stove formatting): 22+,A2s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,54s,A8o+,KTo+,QJo,JTo,T9o,98o . And his 3-bet calling range might look something like this: 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AJo+,KQo,QJo,JTo .

Against that type of player, I wouldn't 3-bet without some pretty specific postflop reads.

i see, that makes sense, thank you.