Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (High Stakes)

Sweet now I can leave home and watch this in the train

Time Link to 01:00:29

great discussion here.

Nice vid.

Aaron - I am not a HU player but I love your videos. Trying to improve my hand reading by hearing HU players talk about ranges etc.
Realising that you are concentrating on the unseen 25/50 tables, what adjustments would you have made in villian identification and your overall game plan vs this villian when he did not rebuy full after stacking off with his flush?
Is there anything in particular that this means?
I think it increases the chances of him being a 'live one' but aside from that, do you have any other thoughts?

Time Link to 00:02:28

It seems that u didnt consider an overbet on this river. I am sometimes overbetting in these spots as people are rarely folding Tx in this spot. Do you think that he calls ur 3/4 potbet often enough with Ax,Kx hands to make this bet more profitable? I think he is only calling strong Ax 2pair hands which he doenst have too often in this spot. So I think ur missing out on value if he has the occasional JT,QT or KT here

Time Link to 00:20:06

Does the fact that villain has 29s w/ a 2 blocker in his hand make his call a better play given that there are fewer combos of possible FHs on this board?

Is this a bet/call or a clear bet/fold from villain w/ A7 (trips w/ TK) @ these stakes (since you could be value betting or turning 7x into a bluff on the river)?

Is the river a bet/call for villain w/ the J/Q/K hi flush?

Time Link to 00:25:48

Great Vid
Quick question about this hand, if we are villain in this spot and we have a hand like K9 that now turned two pair. Can we ever find a fold here heads up once the turn completes the flush and you c/r flop here?

hu vids from wilt, krantz or emil - this is why i keep paying my subscription...

p.s. where can i get that table mod pls?

WoT, would you also bet/call JJ in the last hand?
I think I would bet/call AT and check/call/call JJ, because with the latter villain can have fewer semibluff combos and I also have less equity when behind.

Hey Wilt, awesome vid!
I had kind of an observation I guess that I couldn't help thinking about 1/2 way through the vid. Your opponent seemed pretty mediocre and at least to me it seemed like some of the stuff you were doing was just kind of unnecessary. Stuff like floating Qhigh or 3betting 95s. It just seems like against someone playing 80% of hands in the BB we could more or less print money by playing a relatively straightforward strategy just 3betting big cards and doing a lot of thin value betting. I guess this is pretty easy for me to say though given I've watched the vid and you were having to learn his tendencies while playing etc.

ps- this video was sweet and all but you totally should have recorded your match against checkmate that I saw in the chat

Why do you post videos where you are not paying attention and not playing your A game?

Are you guys trying to show us how NOT to play?

Why do you post videos where you are not paying attention and not playing your A game?

Are you guys trying to show us how NOT to play?

really? like why would u ask such a flat out rude question?when you are grinding a few tables of HU or a lot of tables not every hand is perfectly thought and a high intensity hand.

really? like why would u ask such a flat out rude question?when you are grinding a few tables of HU or a lot of tables not every hand is perfectly thought and a high intensity hand.

Why is my question rude?

I have enjoyed Tommy Angelos videos and I do love the fact that most of the coaches here try to teach us to play our A game. I think it's very important.

Not many of us can play 10/20 HU and call it our second table, not paying attention. So I don't know what this is worth. Just to show us guys?

i dont think that there is anything worng with them showing a mistake on a video as long as they discuss it and say why rather than justifying it.The question you asked was about one hand in a great video by a guy who is a really good player/ instructor and i feel it was rude and if you dont like my opinion im sorry i jsut think u should have chose your words better and learned also ppl are gonna make mistakes regaurdless of how good they are.

I didn't even watch the video. The guy said in the beginning that he was playing other tables and was not playing his A game on this one. SO why watch it while other coaches are trying their best to make me play my A game?

And secondly, this was a question I posted long ago at Cardrunners, but wouldn't you expect that when a coach is making a video that would be his top priority at the moment? Why the Hell make a video when you're just grinding?

I have a lot of respect for DC and many coaches, but the last thing I want to see here is pros playing second tables while grinding. The reason is that this site is too good for such behavior.

lol you didnt even watch it. GG sir

I didn't even watch the video. The guy said in the beginning that he was playing other tables and was not playing his A game on this one. SO why watch it while other coaches are trying their best to make me play my A game?

And secondly, this was a question I posted long ago at Cardrunners, but wouldn't you expect that when a coach is making a video that would be his top priority at the moment? Why the Hell make a video when you're just grinding?

I have a lot of respect for DC and many coaches, but the last thing I want to see here is pros playing second tables while grinding. The reason is that this site is too good for such behavior.

The commentary was recorded later.

If you think you learn more from watching someone play a perfect session than from someone making a few mistakes then you are missing most of the value in the videos.

lol you didnt even watch it. GG sir

Right. What's so funny about it?

Why watch a video where a guy is playing his C game? I do have better use for my time, too, like WIltOnTilt has better use for his time than to make an A game HU video for us

I suggest DC launches a new series: C-games.

It's goal is to analyze hands where the instructor is making mistakes on purpose (on purpose = tired, playing too many tables etc.). I'm serious on this one.

Right. What's so funny about it?

Why watch a video where a guy is playing his C game? I do have better use for my time, too, like WIltOnTilt has better use for his time than to make an A game HU video for us

I suggest DC launches a new series: C-games.

It's goal is to analyze hands where the instructor is making mistakes on purpose (on purpose = tired, playing too many tables etc.). I'm serious on this one.

WoT is not playing his C-game in this video. You really should have watched it before commenting. Since the audio was recorded later, it really doesn't matter that much what WoT did, as long as the discussion is good I would have loved to see that call with K5 in the beginning though. I really hate spots like that (who doesn't?)

You have a point though, there's something a bit wrong about playing 3 tables and making the one where you play worst into a video. At least it sounds wrong, after watching the video I have nothing to complain about

I was shaked by Tommy's videos.

All I'm saying is that the other pros also might wanna concentrate on one thing at a time. It would show discipline and self control, which is what we all need.

If they make a video, they make a video.

If they grind, they grind and dont make a video.

Still, DC should have a series called C-games imo.

Time Link to 00:44:46

Since you're not folding and only debating the merits of call vs shove, aren't you effectively only risking his remaining 613 to get him to fold in the 1kish pot?

Since you're not folding and only debating the merits of call vs shove, aren't you effectively only risking his remaining 613 to get him to fold in the 1kish pot?

If we only risk his remaining 613$, we have already put the 440$ bet in, which means the pot isn't 1kish, but 1640$. This means he has to fold less, but it also means he probably never folds anything.

Right. What's so funny about it?

Why watch a video where a guy is playing his C game? I do have better use for my time, too, like WIltOnTilt has better use for his time than to make an A game HU video for us

I suggest DC launches a new series: C-games.

It's goal is to analyze hands where the instructor is making mistakes on purpose (on purpose = tired, playing too many tables etc.). I'm serious on this one.

I think you might be mistaking Aaron being self-deprecating for a preconceived notion of video standards. Aaron didn't have to say anything about the other tables, but he did because he has very high standards for himself and DC and wants you guys to know why his play was only baller and not super baller. Had he not mentioned it you would not have known the difference.

+1 on what improva said to you as well. Mistakes are going to happen regardless of a players level of focus.

lol you didnt even watch it. GG sir

X2

Maybe if you watched it,you'd realise how much info is in this video.

Nice vid. If the next WoT video is of him playing 50NL HU while playing 2 tables of gazillion/bajillion off-screen, then I'm watching it. Book me in.

I never said anything unless I knew that WoT can take criticism.

Looking forward to his reply instead of tons of guys replying who think it just has to be good. Maybe his C-game is good for most of us, but, hmm...

Aaron - I am not a HU player but I love your videos. Trying to improve my hand reading by hearing HU players talk about ranges etc.
Realising that you are concentrating on the unseen 25/50 tables, what adjustments would you have made in villian identification and your overall game plan vs this villian when he did not rebuy full after stacking off with his flush?
Is there anything in particular that this means?
I think it increases the chances of him being a 'live one' but aside from that, do you have any other thoughts?

Can you please talk through the showdown hands and whether you made the correct adjustments?

e.g. Did those bluffs make sense given his seemingly passive and trappish tendencies?

I do not have the expertise really to critise some of the plays - but it just appears that you werent paying attention to the player type and some of the plays later in the session you might not have chosen to do - given what we then knew about his overall gameplan and tendencies.

This video has a ton of excellent material (not surprised in the slightest). Interested in hearing WoT's response to a few of the posts above though (the content related ones, that is). Definitely a great video.

Haterz gonna hate.

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Great vid! the fistpump comment really cracked me up

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J6s has 50.6% equity against a random hand; pretty sure you can't fold here with 6bb stacks and 1bb invested.

ATo 4bet pot:

First of all great discussion and something ive learned from. Second thing is you didnt really seem to realize this was a mega-donk. Your discussion/theory is way too 'indepth' and thus making this play not the best. Its the best play against regulars and then your theory is 100% correct but not against this kind of player.

Second of all i think you should size your 4bet against this kind of people bigger, i would make it like 600, he gets in a SHOVE/FOLD situation way 'more/better' then. You see bad people flatting the small 4ball a lot here. they wont if you size it bigger, i think the dynamic was right to 4b/call it here, as you said, but you didnt induce it w ur small betsize.

Right. What's so funny about it?

Why watch a video where a guy is playing his C game? I do have better use for my time, too, like WIltOnTilt has better use for his time than to make an A game HU video for us

Read what Improva posted, and think about it.

I suggest DC launches a new series: C-games.

It's goal is to analyze hands where the instructor is making mistakes on purpose (on purpose = tired, playing too many tables etc.). I'm serious on this one.

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/7-Research-Development-/topics/16118--THE-video-series-IMAGINA?page=7&per_page=60#posts-619061

I never said anything unless I knew that WoT can take criticism.

Looking forward to his reply instead of tons of guys replying who think it just has to be good. Maybe his C-game is good for most of us, but, hmm...

Not that I know enough to differentiate, but I'm not sure that this was WoT's C-game, as you keep insisting. I would guess B at the worst, but either way he had no distractions while doing commentary, and the video ended up very good, imo. Your original complaint was the result of an assumption, even you have to admit. Even if you consider it a reasonable one to make, feedback within the thread and in the ratings bar should probably give you cause to reconsider.

Playing 2 25/50 tables "on the side" was probably a result of the state of these games, the playing of which is, after all, his occupation.

Not that I know enough to differentiate, but I'm not sure that this was WoT's C-game, as you keep insisting. I would guess B at the worst, but either way he had no distractions while doing commentary, and the video ended up very good, imo. Your original complaint was the result of an assumption, even you have to admit. Even if you consider it a reasonable one to make, feedback within the thread and in the ratings bar should probably give you cause to reconsider.

Playing 2 25/50 tables "on the side" was probably a result of the state of these games, the playing of which is, after all, his occupation.

I thought the video was very good. It is the commentary that was A game and I think that is what matters. I do think it is important to identify how bad this player was right at the start of the match / commentary as this is something we all can see in this day and age. And v's this guy in particular it is pretty clear what type of player he was and it does seem like Wilt was unaware of this or was pretending for dramatic purposes.

Time Link to 00:38:41

You say cbetting A5 high on the flop is good for 2 barrel range. I would prefere to cbet/vbet AT+/ A9+ almost always as there are many more worse hands that will call + your range becomes more merged and harder to read, and you can a rep an A more often on later streets if you are checking more Aces.

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Here you talk about increasing 3 betting when you see him defend T6o. I used to do this v's this type but I have found you often are just inflating the pot OOP v's a player who takes 2 - 3 barrels to get them to fold sometimes K/Q high. And the less spewy route is to pot control OOP with KJ, KQ TJs, etc and destroy them IP.
OOP you end depending on flopping well and it is hard to get money in when you want obv.
This guy has zero postional awareness and while it might take slightly longer to beat them it is much more effective to reduce 3 betting considerably. He will still call your 3bets if you stick to 99+ AJ+.

I think that calling with dominated hands IP is outweighed by the postional advantage and the villain can almost never build a pot with a good hand if you stick to playing the button. How often will you 3betting QJs and getting called by J6o or Q6o work out better than flatting and you then get to CR the flop/turn or river, or donk 3 streets and fold when he obviously hits in single raised pots. Can you prove it mathematically with poker razor or Stox EV ?

V's this kind of player I have ended up playing 35% OOP and 65% IP and 3b 6%, where as I Would have played 80/50 or something before. Am I giving to much up ? I know my stats are transparent but this is villain specific.

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Is defending A3s v's 3bet good here Considering He cbets so much and a big part of his 3betting range is any Ax ? Also you flopped an Ah gutter and backdoor FD and still had to fold.

Time Link to 00:57:17

I think you were assuming he was an aggro player throughout the video when he really was mostly very loose passive. I knew this after about 3 hands into your match by doing some research on his flop/ turn /river aggression. You seemed to let that fact that he was Russian cloud your reads TBH.

Great vid though...

Aaron - I am not a HU player but I love your videos. Trying to improve my hand reading by hearing HU players talk about ranges etc.
Realising that you are concentrating on the unseen 25/50 tables, what adjustments would you have made in villian identification and your overall game plan vs this villian when he did not rebuy full after stacking off with his flush?
Is there anything in particular that this means?
I think it increases the chances of him being a 'live one' but aside from that, do you have any other thoughts?

Thanks man.

I think the guy was more passive than I was giving him credit for, but as we know the reads build on each other. My default assumption about him being a crazy russian wasn't necessarily wrong but turned out to be slightly off as he was crazy in different ways (more cally than raisey, I guess).

I agree with you that it increases his chances for being a live one, but try to keep in mind that we want to try to be as specific as possible about how they are live. This is something I probably could have done better in the video, since I was just referring to him as a crazy russian for short (just like you say a "live one" for short) we should try to be a little more specific, like he defends 3bets way too light, doesn't put us in tough postflop situations when our range is defined, etc.

WoT

It seems that u didnt consider an overbet on this river. I am sometimes overbetting in these spots as people are rarely folding Tx in this spot. Do you think that he calls ur 3/4 potbet often enough with Ax,Kx hands to make this bet more profitable? I think he is only calling strong Ax 2pair hands which he doenst have too often in this spot. So I think ur missing out on value if he has the occasional JT,QT or KT here

I don't think my bet size was too bad, but perhaps not optimal. Most of his range is Ax, 2pair, and straights by the river. I don't think people are folding 2pair here early and obv are never folding Tx and prob never calling anything but an absurdly small bet with Ax. If you overbet, they can find folds with all their 2pairs, and agree it's unlikely they fold Tx. At this point of the match I don't think we can discount any of the KJ QJ AT hands, and maybe we can squeek a couple combos of AJ in there.

So if we're giving him credit for having QT and KT, we have to give him credit for KJ and and QJ too. I dont give him credit for any combos of JT after not c/r the flop or turn. So there are 3 kings and 3 tens left, that would be 9 combos of KT, 9 combos of QT, 9 combos of AT, 9 combos of QJ, 9 combos of KJ. so 27 combos we think are "never" folding to an overbet and 18 combos of hands that are "probably" folding to an overbet if we ignore flushes. Depending on how big of a hero overbet you want to go for will depend which bet is better.

Just looking at the straights and 2pairs and ignoring the flushes, he will call 27 of 45 times. So pull a number out like 1200 vs 500. In this case he will call 500 45x = 22500 and 1200 27x = 32400, so clearly comparing those 2 numbers, 1.5x pot is better. Try another grouping, how about 750 instead of 500? 750 x 45 = 33750, which looks a little more optimal.

Of course him having worse/better flushes makes the math a little more involved but it should give you an idea of what we should be thinking about...

WoT

Does the fact that villain has 29s w/ a 2 blocker in his hand make his call a better play given that there are fewer combos of possible FHs on this board?

Is this a bet/call or a clear bet/fold from villain w/ A7 (trips w/ TK) @ these stakes (since you could be value betting or turning 7x into a bluff on the river)?

Is the river a bet/call for villain w/ the J/Q/K hi flush?

At this point in the match, i dont think he should give any credence to turning 7x into a bluff. With more history or with the knowledge that both players know what both ranges are, then perhaps that would be more of a factor.

i think it's a definite bet/fold with A7 at this point and probably a bet/fold with Q and J high flushes too since the times that good players are checking behind flush draws are going to generally be the times they have high card showdown value (ie A or K)...so even though it's a spot where it's hard for me to have a full house or a flush very often, when the $ goes in there, the vast majority of players are going to have those hands, again, esp at this point in the match. 800 hands later with more of a feel for how good/bad each player is at hand reading, it could be a bet/snap call with 92ss

WoT

Great Vid
Quick question about this hand, if we are villain in this spot and we have a hand like K9 that now turned two pair. Can we ever find a fold here heads up once the turn completes the flush and you c/r flop here?

Without much history you can probably call turn/fold river against a lot of players. Depending on what we view their c/r range and c/r history (are there any 1pair hands in the flop/turn value range?) Many people are betting the turn with most of their flop value range and then check/deciding on the river, so their river range becomes like straights and flushes and air, so then it's just a question of how aggro is this guy to continue on with air on the river?

WoT

hu vids from wilt, krantz or emil - this is why i keep paying my subscription...

p.s. where can i get that table mod pls?

try this thread:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/4-General-Discussion/topics/24397-Full-Tilt-Updated-Table-M/posts/187596--quote-Got-the-old-DC-mod

WoT, would you also bet/call JJ in the last hand?
I think I would bet/call AT and check/call/call JJ, because with the latter villain can have fewer semibluff combos and I also have less equity when behind.

yes I would still bet/call JJ because i think the combination difference isn't enough to warrant the fact that c/r'ing Qx there is pretty silly as a default and not something I would expect from anyone decent, aside from leveling reasons (but even those are suspect because most ppl are not cbetting worse value hands that are calling the c/r there)

Hey Wilt, awesome vid!
I had kind of an observation I guess that I couldn't help thinking about 1/2 way through the vid. Your opponent seemed pretty mediocre and at least to me it seemed like some of the stuff you were doing was just kind of unnecessary. Stuff like floating Qhigh or 3betting 95s. It just seems like against someone playing 80% of hands in the BB we could more or less print money by playing a relatively straightforward strategy just 3betting big cards and doing a lot of thin value betting. I guess this is pretty easy for me to say though given I've watched the vid and you were having to learn his tendencies while playing etc.

ps- this video was sweet and all but you totally should have recorded your match against checkmate that I saw in the chat

Certainly you are correct. There's more than 1 way to skin a poker cat, but in general I try to do what I think is the most +EV. Also I like to step outside the box a bit when recording, just to try to highlight different concepts to talk about...but that said my goal is to get value anywhere I can, even if it's thin or high variance in the short term because in the long term all those "high variance" plays that are +EV increase your winrate and therefore decrease your overall variance.

The only time I might avoid a high variance +EV play is if i'm on a limited site bankroll vs a particular player (so if i go broke i lose the option of exploiting future spots) or similarly if I think a high variance play will cause them to hit and run then I might pass on it.

WoT

Since you're not folding and only debating the merits of call vs shove, aren't you effectively only risking his remaining 613 to get him to fold in the 1kish pot?

yea, i guess you could look at it that way. in terms of the math on fold equity though, you'd be using the entire amount risked. it's just a different way of thinking about the overall situation.

J6s has 50.6% equity against a random hand; pretty sure you can't fold here with 6bb stacks and 1bb invested.

yea, good point

ATo 4bet pot:

First of all great discussion and something ive learned from. Second thing is you didnt really seem to realize this was a mega-donk. Your discussion/theory is way too 'indepth' and thus making this play not the best. Its the best play against regulars and then your theory is 100% correct but not against this kind of player.

Second of all i think you should size your 4bet against this kind of people bigger, i would make it like 600, he gets in a SHOVE/FOLD situation way 'more/better' then. You see bad people flatting the small 4ball a lot here. they wont if you size it bigger, i think the dynamic was right to 4b/call it here, as you said, but you didnt induce it w ur small betsize.

i dont really mind if he calls oop that much. i think from an overall gameplan perspective, many ppl naturally put themselves in a push/fold mindset for the smaller amount, and i dont believe we had a 4bet prior to that hand, in which case I'm much more of a fan of the small 4bet size. I dont think we can make the judgement that the guy is going to call 4bets oop without yet 4betting him, because that's the type of spot where players differ a lot in their standards to call/shove/fold and experience is the only real way to find out for sure.

contrast this to different spots where we can assume because the guy is too loose oop, we can typically infer that he will also be too passive oop (for the # of hands he's playing)...but i think 4bet situations are different and not as easy to generalize about since specific players play those spots differently.

WoT

I didn't even watch the video. The guy said in the beginning that he was playing other tables and was not playing his A game on this one. SO why watch it while other coaches are trying their best to make me play my A game?

And secondly, this was a question I posted long ago at Cardrunners, but wouldn't you expect that when a coach is making a video that would be his top priority at the moment? Why the Hell make a video when you're just grinding?

I have a lot of respect for DC and many coaches, but the last thing I want to see here is pros playing second tables while grinding. The reason is that this site is too good for such behavior.

Ok I guess I should address this. Firstly, thanks for the comments. I don't mind reading criticisms about my videos, but hopefully I can explain a bit about this particular situation.

For this series I was asked to make 2 high stakes videos (10-20+). It may or may not be a surprise to you guys that I don't get very much action at these stakes. When I sit down in hopes of grinding a session or making a video, often times I must take what I can get. I happened to get what I thought would be a good spot for a vid on FTP because he was an unknown player, we didn't have any previous history or notes that would effect this video, and vs unknown players I don't mind giving out my in depth reads on them.

Well, it just so happened, I got a really weak player to 2 table me on a different site at 25/50 near the same time. I didn't want to scrap this video, but I knew I might only be able to give it my B+ or A- game because I was focusing most to play my A+ game at the higher stakes, multiple table match. Now, I could understand someone who wants to see a coach play their best, but (and this will sound very arrogant) I'm pretty confident my A- or B+ game at HU is better than the vast majority coaches and subscribers on any training site out there. Additionally, I wasn't doing in-game analysis, instead, I did the analysis post game. If I was doing a live play video with live analysis, I would not play off camera tables. As it turns out, there were very few hands I would change how I played even on the post game analysis.

CH74, did you get a chance to go back and watch the video? If not, would you mind taking a look at it? I'd be interested to hear which, if any, hands you think I should have played differently or better where I might have lost focus by playing the other tables.

Thanks in advance and thanks again for the discussion inducing comments!

WoT

I think you might be mistaking Aaron being self-deprecating for a preconceived notion of video standards. Aaron didn't have to say anything about the other tables, but he did because he has very high standards for himself and DC and wants you guys to know why his play was only baller and not super baller. Had he not mentioned it you would not have known the difference.

+1 on what improva said to you as well. Mistakes are going to happen regardless of a players level of focus.

this too

Aaron thank you for responding to my question.

I would like to improve and refine my villian identification and exploitation skill set.

If you were to review this player: what sort of gameplan, notation and approach would you take if you were to play this player again?

I am thinking along the lines of pr1nnyraiding style classification format.

p.s. I prefer warts and all videos - if it is the reality that when playing across sites and BI levels against two different skilled players then so be it. Do you think being how tough it is for you to get opponents would you have still played him whilst having your 25/50 games going?

Wow this is my average 100NL HU donk you are playing here. So funny how you try to analyze what he is thinking while in fact these donks only look at their cards they are holding.

So funny how he bet 160 in 480 or so pot with AA and you couldn't put him on that stronge a range. So typical 100NL donk player type that I knew he had a monsterhand there. Then later on he potted on a Q high flop in a threebet pot where you hold A3dd. Obv his range is not that strong as that 1/3 potbet with AA.

All in all I like these video a lot. And I am happy to see these type a players playing 2K NL as well.

Time Link to 00:35:14

Here you say aj is the same hand as 82 what do you mean by that?

Here you say aj is the same hand as 82 what do you mean by that?

If you picture hand strength as a line with each hand of lower strength on the left and increasing incrementally to the right the next higher strength hand, 82 and AJ in that situation are virtually the same strength. The reason is because of preflop 3betting tendencies, we can rule out AQ and AK, so therefore the next stronger hand on the line from AJ would be 82 (in terms of flopped strength). The difference is that people are more likely to click call with 2 pair and less likely to click call with 1 pair, even though their strength is virtually the same.

now it's true there are some other minor considerations like blocker potential and fewer combos of sets and better 2pairs etc, but in many of these spots a bluff catcher is a bluff catcher and that bluff might easily have worked vs AJ but fails vs 82, even though their strength against my c/r range is the same.

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If he shoves over your overbet would you fold putting him exactly on pocket 5's? Or do you snap call because there's only 1 hand that makes sense and he is Russian?

If he shoves over your overbet would you fold putting him exactly on pocket 5's? Or do you snap call because there's only 1 hand that makes sense and he is Russian?

i'd probably end up folding, mostly because the guy is playing loose/bad and he should have a bluff catcher a fair amount and I wouldn't yet expect him to turn a bluff catcher into a bluff trying to get me off thin value at this point in the match... so i'd probably put him on 55 or maybe a badly played 86 or 95 (remember he's pretty loose oop). It would be a pretty crappy spot to face though

i'd probably end up folding, mostly because the guy is playing loose/bad and he should have a bluff catcher a fair amount and I wouldn't yet expect him to turn a bluff catcher into a bluff trying to get me off thin value at this point in the match... so i'd probably put him on 55 or maybe a badly played 86 or 95 (remember he's pretty loose oop). It would be a pretty crappy spot to face though

Yeah I think I would too. Thanks for responding