Full Ring Saturday!!!
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DiscoBisco plays 6 tables of 100NL as he explains his play at this level and how best to extract money from different types of opponents.
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Full Ring Saturday!!!
I like it!!
why no DB on the A6 sooooted hand?
good question. probably because he had like no chips, and i just seem to shutdown when i get called in those spots.
yah tiny stack ![]()
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I probably should have called here with ATs, for some reason I was thinking this guy seemed a bit nittier then he actually is.
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T8d.....not sure how well i explained my reasoning for folding here. I was going to say that when ppl c/r their ranges are really polarized to nuts or air. In this spot it could also be better flush draws. Either way in order to get paid by hitting my flush, hes got to have the top of his range here. otherwise i'm not getting action when i hit, or i'm going broke to bigger flush draws that he c/r with. If i had Axdd i would call here due to never being dominated.
Let me just say I really liked this video a lot.
The six table format is great as it's still easy to follow plus you get plenty of action at fullring.
I cannot think of one moment where I disagreed with anything the author said.
Personally I play a 15/12/3 style and the author mentioned he normally plays a 15/11 style.
I like the way the author correctly pointed out that his laggier stats were because he was playing less tables and he found a few more 3 bet spots that he might pass on if playing a lot more tables.
If you look at DiscoBisco's PTR you will see the guy is a great player.
Looking forward to the next video.
Great Vid! Keep em coming!
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Table 5 with QQ, it looks like the response we're most likely to get from villain is going to be a fold, and then probably a 4bet. If that's the case then I think we should either be 3betting him because we know we'll have the upper hand vs his stack-off range, or we should be flatting. Given his tendency to fold to 3bets, our 3betting range should be polarized to hands we know will do well vs his 4bet/SO range, and air.
really appreciate the kind words dwater
I can't get the timelink to work but it's at 8m35s
Table 5 with QQ, it looks like the response we're most likely to get from villain is going to be a fold, and then probably a 4bet. If that's the case then I think we should either be 3betting him because we know we'll have the upper hand vs his stack-off range, or we should be flatting. Given his tendency to fold to 3bets, our 3betting range should be polarized to hands we know will do well vs his 4bet/SO range, and air.
I think this is the correct timelink now. I can't really disagree with a word your saying here. Obviously it seems weird like 3bet/folding a hand like QQ there. I guess I just feel like even with an 80% F3bet, in position its probably closer to like 65% which means I think he will be playing hands like TT/JJ to flats. I guess my goal here is to get him to flat a hand like TT/JJ, then i bet a dry flop he calls, and maybe we check check turn, and i valuebet river. However I completely agree with the above philosophy of either 3bet/5bet or just flat. I just think sometimes given my argument above a 3b/fold can be ok.
i'm not really sure if i'm even allowed to do this or not, but would anyone like a 9 tabling video if possible? or does 6 seem to be about the max? I think I could probably make a decent 9 tabling video, but just not sure if there would be an audience for that or not.
The Td8d on the Q32 two tone flop where you get raised, I call and at least try to get to sd to note the villain. You said it at first where he's not repping much and I have to agree. Maybe he's raising QJ here? Maybe total air? I think people just like cr'ing boards that they think are hard for you to hit without thinking about what they're repping.
I'd be up for a 9 tabling video.
I'd be up for a 9 tabling video.
+1
Table 5 with QQ, it looks like the response we're most likely to get from villain is going to be a fold, and then probably a 4bet. If that's the case then I think we should either be 3betting him because we know we'll have the upper hand vs his stack-off range, or we should be flatting. Given his tendency to fold to 3bets, our 3betting range should be polarized to hands we know will do well vs his 4bet/SO range, and air.
I was just about to post the same thing and also to ask how we should play AK in the same situation.
T8d.....not sure how well i explained my reasoning for folding here. I was going to say that when ppl c/r their ranges are really polarized to nuts or air. In this spot it could also be better flush draws. Either way in order to get paid by hitting my flush, hes got to have the top of his range here. otherwise i'm not getting action when i hit, or i'm going broke to bigger flush draws that he c/r with. If i had Axdd i would call here due to never being dominated.
But then you're assuming he weights your range heavily towards flush draws when calling the c/r. Otherwise his decision on the turn isn't that much dependant on the fact if the flush draw hits or not. In other words I think most villains will fire the turn 100% with their nut hands and decide about bluffing their air without factoring in if a diamond hits or not since the amount of draws in your/theit perceived range isn't that different. So you're getting paid everytime you hit and he has a nut hand and sometimes if he continues bluffing or you can showdown the winner if he stops bluffing. On the other hand you're getting bluffed a certain amount when missing the turn.
I was just about to post the same thing and also to ask how we should play AK in the same situation.
Hand is at 9:03. I personally think that it'd be better to 3b AK here than to 3bet QQ.
- When we have AK, we actually get villain to make a small mistake by folding any of the pocket pairs in his range.
- The number of spots where we outflop villain AND he has something good enough to put money in will be fewer.
- AK is a better hand to be 5bet-semibluff-shoving since we'll have blockers to a significant part of his calling range.
Disco may feel differently on these though. ![]()
Hand is at 9:03. I personally think that it'd be better to 3b AK here than to 3bet QQ.
- When we have AK, we actually get villain to make a small mistake by folding any of the pocket pairs in his range.
- The number of spots where we outflop villain AND he has something good enough to put money in will be fewer.
- AK is a better hand to be 5bet-semibluff-shoving since we'll have blockers to a significant part of his calling range.
Disco may feel differently on these though.
So would you 3bet/5b-shove AK in that particular situation?
T8d.....not sure how well i explained my reasoning for folding here. I was going to say that when ppl c/r their ranges are really polarized to nuts or air. In this spot it could also be better flush draws. Either way in order to get paid by hitting my flush, hes got to have the top of his range here. otherwise i'm not getting action when i hit, or i'm going broke to bigger flush draws that he c/r with. If i had Axdd i would call here due to never being dominated.
If you think he has alot of air in his range and the occasional set/higher flushdraw then you should be able to take the pot away very often on the turn. You said you expect him to c/f the turn very often cutting down your implied odds, but in that case you should be able to float vs his c/r very profitable with the FD more as a backup (in case he does have a set).
And the few times he does have a higher FD, there is only 7 diamonds left, so you'll only turn an underflush 14 percent of the time. And very occasionally he might have a lower flush too =p
I was just about to post the same thing and also to ask how we should play AK in the same situation.
I think AK might be a get it in in this same spot just due to card removal, but it's not one of those fistpump get it ins.
Hand is at 9:03. I personally think that it'd be better to 3b AK here than to 3bet QQ.
- When we have AK, we actually get villain to make a small mistake by folding any of the pocket pairs in his range.
- The number of spots where we outflop villain AND he has something good enough to put money in will be fewer.
- AK is a better hand to be 5bet-semibluff-shoving since we'll have blockers to a significant part of his calling range.
Disco may feel differently on these though.
no, i agree with this 100%
If you think he has alot of air in his range and the occasional set/higher flushdraw then you should be able to take the pot away very often on the turn. You said you expect him to c/f the turn very often cutting down your implied odds, but in that case you should be able to float vs his c/r very profitable with the FD more as a backup (in case he does have a set).
And the few times he does have a higher FD, there is only 7 diamonds left, so you'll only turn an underflush 14 percent of the time. And very occasionally he might have a lower flush too =p
yeah, i have to agree with most of this. I really couldn't sleep over that T8d hand because I still have no clue what the optimal play is there in the long run.
So would you 3bet/5b-shove AK in that particular situation?
If we have any FE, then yes. However, (of course) if we know villain is only 4betting KK+, then 5bet-shoving is bad.
In spots like this, I'm considering my line as a semi-bluff so (as it is with all semi-bluffs) we need to figure out how likely it is that our opponent folds to a shove.
And how many diamonds is he really flatting preflop? I like to see his hand so I know if he's flatting AdXd there but you have the Td as a blocker to lots of stuff so that leaves like KdQd QdJd. I think he's bluffing way more than he actually has a hand and he prob check folds turn a lot.
yeah, i have to agree with most of this. I really couldn't sleep over that T8d hand because I still have no clue what the optimal play is there in the long run.
The optimal play here would be anything other then fold. I saw that fold and I couldn't believe it.
I 3 bet/call because 1) we have fold equity vs his entire bluff range
2) we have fold equity if hes holding Qx sometimes and hands like 99/88 a lot of the times.
3) We are dominating more F draws then we are behind
4 We are dominating a hand like 45 of spades
The optimal play here would be anything other then fold. I saw that fold and I couldn't believe it.
I 3 bet/call because 1) we have fold equity vs his entire bluff range
2) we have fold equity if hes holding Qx sometimes and hands like 99/88 a lot of the times.
3) We are dominating more F draws then we are behind
4 We are dominating a hand like 45 of spades
yeah i suck at poker so thats why i folded. are u sure 3bet/call is optimal here for a 15/11 type player like me? i just want to be sure when you make these statements that your not basing things off what you would do against players taking your super laggy stats into account.
yeah i suck at poker so thats why i folded. are u sure 3bet/call is optimal here for a 15/11 type player like me? i just want to be sure when you make these statements that your not basing things off what you would do against players taking your super laggy stats into account.
I would advocate that line with anyone. I never consider my image when talking strat on other peoples hands
I would advocate that line with anyone. I never consider my image when talking strat on other peoples hands
k cool. i guess i never considered 3bet getting in T high could be a profitable line. but your arguments make sense. i'll have to start trying to think more aggressively like this.
16:00 min mark. Hijack opens and you have 33 in the cutoff and fold. any particular reason for not set mining in that spot?
16:00 min mark. Hijack opens and you have 33 in the cutoff and fold. any particular reason for not set mining in that spot?
i probably should have called that. sometimes i fold there against decent regs which i think mealownz is. don't think i'm getting tons of sick value when i flop sets against him anyway given in general his range is a little weak opening the hijack.
i probably should have called that. sometimes i fold there against decent regs which i think mealownz is. don't think i'm getting tons of sick value when i flop sets against him anyway given in general his range is a little weak opening the hijack.
I can dig the fact that villain's range is going to be a bit wider here than usual, but I still think there are good enough implieds to call. Now, if we were in a spot where it was CO vs BTN, I'd actually 3bet a decent % of the time for all the reasons you mention here. Of course, this depends on how villain responds to 3bets, but if our implied odds seem like crap and our hand is good, but not awesome, I'm at least considering a 3bet.
Surprised you didnt ship it in with QQ vs the highjack open from a 15/12 reg based on his 4bet percentage
I mean we have 40% equity vs ak, kk+ and im pretty confident ak is in his 4bet range vs reg that 3bets from the blinds vs a late position opener that also is a reg
If he always had ak, kk+ as his range and he never folded we would need like 44% equity
Beause of that i think if he 4betfolds as little as like 1/4 or 1/5 times we need to go all in. Is this unreasonable/my math off here? Maybe his very low 4bet to just 23 dollars screamed AA to you?
Btw about the 9 tabling idea - Why dont you make a RUSH POKER video? 4 tables and you get toooons of hands. Sure no table dynamics except once in a while with a reg, but i think that would have a lot of benefits for teaching purposes. (More hands, pretty to view 4 tables)
yeah after some further review the 3b/fold with QQ was really weak and lame. I guess I just felt like at the time that I wanted to know he would be 4betting JJ and maybe AQ and I didn't really think he was. The funny thing is it's totally standard for me to just 3bet get in QQ there, but for whatever reason I just folded this time and I really have no idea why. I think i misjudged his 4bet%. It was like 1.2% or something and for some reason I thought that was low when its probably about average.
Great vid. Lots of good content and post-mortem discussion.
I particularly like the discussion on the T8s hand. I think Disco and NLFool make good arguments for folding and 3betting, respectively. Even if 3betting is considered better, Disco's comments for folding at least suggest to me what a potential leak calling is here which is what I would normally do.
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On the Q7s hand you 3-bet an UTG reg's raise claiming a profit since his fold to 3-bet is 64%.
It may be true that you can profitably do this in position against this opponent, but there are two things I'd like to hear your comments on.
1) Being UTG, his range is tighter so should we assume he folds less than 64% here?
2) You're risking 11BB to win 5BB minus rake so you can't claim instaprofit from 3betting unless you think he will fold >69%, correct?
If 1) and 2) are correct, then don't you need a to win a fair amount post flop against his flatting range to show a profit here?
On the Q7s hand you 3-bet an UTG reg's raise claiming a profit since his fold to 3-bet is 64%.
It may be true that you can profitably do this in position against this opponent, but there are two things I'd like to hear your comments on.
1) Being UTG, his range is tighter so should we assume he folds less than 64% here?
2) You're risking 11BB to win 5BB minus rake so you can't claim instaprofit from 3betting unless you think he will fold >69%, correct?
If 1) and 2) are correct, then don't you need a to win a fair amount post flop against his flatting range to show a profit here?
well i think i can win this pot a decent amount even if he flats. when he 4bets he allows me to play perfectly. and honestly his range UTG isn't as tight as you think. He's raising 10% overall so a rough guess would imagine about 7-8% from UTG. 7-8% includes a lot of medium-small pairs, AQ, maybe even a random AJ/KQ. he can really only continue with the top 2 or 3% of this range. This isn't something I always do. But its also worth showing these players you will 3bet their UTG opens light. In the future I can get much more action with AA/KK from this player in these spots.
really liked the video disco, i took a lot from it and look forward to going through all your future videos. Just curious i really like your card and table mod for multi tabling, wondering where i could get a hold of it? I am struggling trying to find mods which i really like.
really liked the video disco, i took a lot from it and look forward to going through all your future videos. Just curious i really like your card and table mod for multi tabling, wondering where i could get a hold of it? I am struggling trying to find mods which i really like.
Thanks for the good words. I will upload my ftp graphics folder and send a link for you to download it in a PM on here. So check your private messages.
Why do you fold 33 here with position?
could have just been i was busy talking about some other hands, also could be i don't really feel like setmining against a player that isn't paying off much. occasionally i just fold small pairs in this spot. could also be that authorizethis is behind us and could 3bet pretty easily.
Sorry I just saw you had already answered this :s
Good video by the way ![]()
Sorry I just saw you had already answered this :s
Good video by the way
Thanks, Appreciate it.
Time Link to 00:33:47
What kind of color-coding system are you using here? Also, how many hands do you generally have to see someone until you put them on a label/color? Great video.
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