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Time Link to 00:32:59
Is not one of the huge advantages of 3betting a hand like T6s when deep as opposed to a hand like A8o, is that when you are deep you want hands that you can barrel and put your opponent in a really tough spot with, T6s is going to flop a ton more draws and allow you to semi bluff with much more equity more often than A8o does. When you're 100bbs deep it's less good because there is less room to push your opponent off of something but when deep don't you want your 3betting range to contain a ton of hands that are going to flop good semi bluffs rather than hands that are going to flop marginal 1 pairs and put you in really tough spots when the pot gets big or not give you enough equity to comfortably barrel making your post flop ranges really polarised when you start playing a big pot?
Is not one of the huge advantages of 3betting a hand like T6s when deep as opposed to a hand like A8o, is that when you are deep you want hands that you can barrel and put your opponent in a really tough spot with, T6s is going to flop a ton more draws and allow you to semi bluff with much more equity more often than A8o does. When you're 100bbs deep it's less good because there is less room to push your opponent off of something but when deep don't you want your 3betting range to contain a ton of hands that are going to flop good semi bluffs rather than hands that are going to flop marginal 1 pairs and put you in really tough spots when the pot gets big or not give you enough equity to comfortably barrel making your post flop ranges really polarised when you start playing a big pot?
if you 3bet no matter what type of hand it doesnt mean you have to go broke for 250bb with it, even with AA even tho you want to win as much money as possible.
Also if you think about how often a hand such as 6Ts flops a draw you can barrel with you will realize it doesn't happen as often. So if we wanna bluff we can bluff with A8o just as fine and rep all those draws we are trying to rep with 6Ts when we in reality don't have them ourselves. Especially because this is HU, if you 3bet Ax and flop an A its gonna be good often enough beacuse defending ranges in HU are way wider than in 6max. Plus you usually get called if you barrel A high and hit it on the turn/river because its a card you always bluff. That's why 3betting something like JQo is better than 6Ts esp if you know your opponent defends small pp and suited connectors because you usually have 2 overs plus backdoorstraight draws. AND you get value from worse if you flop a J/Q or better. But 6Ts is not gonna flop 2 overs that often.
I hope this makes sense, I am really bad at explaining myself on paper =(
Of course you are right that if you are very deep you rather want to have a straight on 789KA than A8 on AQJ54 when the pot is getting big but it happens so rarely anyway against competent player.
Time Link to 00:21:55
Something I found interesting that didn't get mentioned was villain's betsize on the turn. He bets about 2/3 pot, which sets up like a 1.2x pot river shove. My first thought would be that he's trying to maximize FE on the river, and would therefore be more likely to have air here. But I guess some tough opponents could do this to try to level you. What do you guys think?
Nice vid btw ![]()
Something I found interesting that didn't get mentioned was villain's betsize on the turn. He bets about 2/3 pot, which sets up like a 1.2x pot river shove. My first thought would be that he's trying to maximize FE on the river, and would therefore be more likely to have air here. But I guess some tough opponents could do this to try to level you. What do you guys think?
Nice vid btw
Problem is why can't he be doing that for value as well? Seemed like a standardish betsize if it's for value. Obv also good for the bluff as well but unless I had some big read where he only bets 2/3 as a bluff, I don't see how I could go into it further : /
Something I found interesting that didn't get mentioned was villain's betsize on the turn. He bets about 2/3 pot, which sets up like a 1.2x pot river shove. My first thought would be that he's trying to maximize FE on the river, and would therefore be more likely to have air here. But I guess some tough opponents could do this to try to level you. What do you guys think?
Nice vid btw
notice that we said he's a weak player therefore he most likely doesn't balance his bet sizing at all. So his big bets are very polorized and mostly bluffs because he would rather think about how to get value from his monsters by better not pot.
I still think his 3bet with 6Ts as said in the video is not profitable against such a player given that we are always in a shit spot like that.
Problem is why can't he be doing that for value as well? Seemed like a standardish betsize if it's for value. Obv also good for the bluff as well but unless I had some big read where he only bets 2/3 as a bluff, I don't see how I could go into it further : /
Maybe I wasn't very clear. I thought the possible tell may have been that he wanted to maximize his FE on the river by setting up stacks for an overbet shove. As opposed to betting like 3/4 pot on turn and having a little under a PSB on the river (making it easier for you to call his shove).
Maybe I wasn't very clear. I thought the possible tell may have been that he wanted to maximize his FE on the river by setting up stacks for an overbet shove. As opposed to betting like 3/4 pot on turn and having a little under a PSB on the river (making it easier for you to call his shove).
it's definitely possible but since it's not a concrete piece of information, I don't put too much weight there
Insyder
Final hand TT
Is there anything on turn you bet/fold?
Is it just floats?
Also what is your range to flat the flop then check/back the turn if you are raising TT on flop - is it just Ax that you dont 3-bet or 44,55?
Sorry just some questions from a micro donk.
Very good video I think you worked well together. I prefer videos with 2 instructors because they keep each other on their toes and it allows for less filler, and vague explanations. About the graphs, I play heads up from 200nl-600nl and my graph looks a lot like nanonoko's (losing a lot at non showdownm and winning a lot at showdown.) Syous, you said you actively at some point decided how you wanted to play heads up and the result was winning at non-showdown. What did you do specifically, increase you c/r, 3betting, open more buttons/fold less oop or were you more agro in unorthodox situations on turns and rivers? Also if you are still looking for someone to play in a duel match I'm pretty keen. Again great video keep up the good work.
P.s. The hand history/ipod downloadable format is also a huge plus.
Insyder
Final hand TT
Is there anything on turn you bet/fold?
Is it just floats?
Also what is your range to flat the flop then check/back the turn if you are raising TT on flop - is it just Ax that you dont 3-bet or 44,55?
Sorry just some questions from a micro donk.
maybe when im totally bluffing i would b/f even tho it would be suicide in the long run and be totally spewy. Generally, if you are in a spot like this where you clearly raise the flop for value you either wanna check the turn when you think you are not getting called by worse or he's on a total float therefore you want him to lead the river or c/c it improved or with A high that feels like it's good now. But if you decide to bet this turn for clear value you cannot be b/f.
Basically in this exact spot it's tough for me to be b/f the turn given that i probably flat my floats on the flop anyway to take the pot away on the turn.
So you either want to pot control the turn or be betting it for value in which case you call a raise.
Additionally
Outside of your floats - what would you flat call on the flop with here on 633 4 handed vs an aggressive opponent?
Very good video I think you worked well together. I prefer videos with 2 instructors because they keep each other on their toes and it allows for less filler, and vague explanations. About the graphs, I play heads up from 200nl-600nl and my graph looks a lot like nanonoko's (losing a lot at non showdownm and winning a lot at showdown.) Syous, you said you actively at some point decided how you wanted to play heads up and the result was winning at non-showdown. What did you do specifically, increase you c/r, 3betting, open more buttons/fold less oop or were you more agro in unorthodox situations on turns and rivers? Also if you are still looking for someone to play in a duel match I'm pretty keen. Again great video keep up the good work.
P.s. The hand history/ipod downloadable format is also a huge plus.
I play a really loose aggressive game and after learning how to play a good solid game, I was able to imagine how to flip it around and win at my current style. It's def. not for everyone!
Very good video I think you worked well together. I prefer videos with 2 instructors because they keep each other on their toes and it allows for less filler, and vague explanations. ... Again great video keep up the good work.
P.s. The hand history/ipod downloadable format is also a huge plus.
i dont post often, but this was a very good vid and I agree with andymckenzie here
The 2 different styles/graphs of Syous are interesting - I think it'd make a great video to break them both down and show how each are played, against 1 oppoent, or done over a couple.
I play a showdown style, but lose at non-sd and am looking to plug leaks, but not too sure where to start, so I think it'd really help
Mike--I was really impressed by a lot of your thinking. The 106 hand I think is a bit results oriented as he is going to bet the turn and check the river a lot and show you better and while his range for potting the river is polarized and you made a nice hero call I still don't like it. Also the TT hand that Insyderr played I think is a check back on the river barring a very aggressive image. I think he folds a lot of his range that you beat on the river and some of his river calling range includes better hands that took a wa/wb line after you raised the flop. This def changes the more aggressive you pound on players. I don't play those stakes but those were the 2 hands I took interest in. THanks and keep crushing I can see why you are having the success you are.
Thanks for the kind words Devin. Means a lot ![]()
the 6T hand was def. lucky. Against better players you're def. right I'll see Ax here a lot but I was arguing even his betting range on the turn was pretty polarized given the dynamic we had at these stacks imo
Giggidy I'll keep it in mind!
Mike--I was really impressed by a lot of your thinking. The 106 hand I think is a bit results oriented as he is going to bet the turn and check the river a lot and show you better and while his range for potting the river is polarized and you made a nice hero call I still don't like it. Also the TT hand that Insyderr played I think is a check back on the river barring a very aggressive image. I think he folds a lot of his range that you beat on the river and some of his river calling range includes better hands that took a wa/wb line after you raised the flop. This def changes the more aggressive you pound on players. I don't play those stakes but those were the 2 hands I took interest in. THanks and keep crushing I can see why you are having the success you are.
You know what I like about Insyder is the fact that he goes through all his doubtful hands, his (potential) spew and has a really great attitude about it.
I admire that + I think it might be one of the reasons why he is doing so well. He can see his missteps and doesnt shy away from them. Something I need to do more of.
Good stuff vlad and thanks again.
Time Link to 00:58:12
As said before, WOW!
Anyway, trying to think about the concept Wlad is talking about on the TT on a 6332 (if I remember correctly), regarding situations where we bet for value, and then Villain ch/r us, and he states that we don´t want to bet for value and then fold to a raise.
Don´t you guys think his range changes when he shoves T? I mean, I know this is a pretty dry board, for sure, but on a slightly different board, does the mentioned concept remains valid?
Let´s take for example this hand:
(fwiw, Villain Turn CB is around 20%, and Tch/r is 17%)
$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 477955
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BB: $200.00
Hero (BTN/SB): $924.50
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with J
A 
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $14
Flop: ($40.00) J
8
9
(2 players)
BB bets $28.00, Hero calls $28
Turn: ($96.00) 6
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $36.00, BB raises to $152, Hero ?
I mean, on T we want to cbet for value and protection, but when he ch/r, should we reevaluate, or are we still going with our read, and we assume he would be spazzing out with draws/worst J/weaker hds/bluffs here often enough to make the call profitable?
Thxs in advance, and I hope the question makes sense.
You know what I like about Insyder is the fact that he goes through all his doubtful hands, his (potential) spew and has a really great attitude about it.
I admire that + I think it might be one of the reasons why he is doing so well. He can see his missteps and doesnt shy away from them. Something I need to do more of.
Good stuff vlad and thanks again.
You just need to learn from the mistakes you've done in the past. There is nothing wrong admitting that you played some hands or sessions really poorly. I am the type of person who can laugh about myself with friends about how stupid I acted when I was young and got caught by the police when I got drunk. Of course you need to be sure the people who are around you are not making fun of you but your friends.
Same goes for poker. You will never improve your game if you make all your losing hands invisible and act like you are never making a mistake.
As said before, WOW!
Anyway, trying to think about the concept Wlad is talking about on the TT on a 6332 (if I remember correctly), regarding situations where we bet for value, and then Villain ch/r us, and he states that we don´t want to bet for value and then fold to a raise.
Don´t you guys think his range changes when he shoves T? I mean, I know this is a pretty dry board, for sure, but on a slightly different board, does the mentioned concept remains valid?
Let´s take for example this hand:
(fwiw, Villain Turn CB is around 20%, and Tch/r is 17%)
$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players - View hand 477955
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BB: $200.00
Hero (BTN/SB): $924.50
Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with JA
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $14
Flop: ($40.00) J8
9
(2 players)
BB bets $28.00, Hero calls $28
Turn: ($96.00) 6(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $36.00, BB raises to $152, Hero ?
I mean, on T we want to cbet for value and protection, but when he ch/r, should we reevaluate, or are we still going with our read, and we assume he would be spazzing out with draws/worst J/weaker hds/bluffs here often enough to make the call profitable?
Thxs in advance, and I hope the question makes sense.
in a spot like this, YOU NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER wanna b/f. If you are not sure you get called by worse or he is capable of c/shoving a draw DO NOT BET but check. In praxis against most opponents, that's an easy b/c. Also 4bet pre unless he's total nit.
Thanks for the reply Wlad!
I agree it´s a b/c. But you know, every time I call in a similar pot (like this time) , they show QTo! ![]()
I am not sure about the 4b pre, he was 3betting something around 32%, so I better play AJ against his range in position, don´t u think?
Again, thanks a lot for all your recent videos (this one specially) and I hope you are running good in life!
Thanks for the reply Wlad!
I agree it´s a b/c. But you know, every time I call in a similar pot (like this time) , they show QTo!
I am not sure about the 4b pre, he was 3betting something around 32%, so I better play AJ against his range in position, don´t u think?
Again, thanks a lot for all your recent videos (this one specially) and I hope you are running good in life!
I thought you had TT, sorry.
Against smoeone who 3bets this much you could even 4bet AJ for value. As played I raise the flop given that it has so many draws I expect to be called by worse and he will ship many draws over the top.
Thanks for the great feedback and there is def more coming in the near future.
gl at the tables
in a spot like this, YOU NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER wanna b/f. If you are not sure you get called by worse or he is capable of c/shoving a draw DO NOT BET but check. In praxis against most opponents, that's an easy b/c. Also 4bet pre unless he's total nit.
If you are playing say a reg, or fish that may play a draw agressively - what'd be the worse hand you'd bet/call for value there on the turn?
Also, quva4 - why would you bet 1/3 pot on turn w/o knowing what you're doing to a raise. That bet size is begging someone to spazz
By revealing his screenname and specific tendencies, arent you worried he'll see this video and patch up all those leaks?
jt or mb j7 giggidy
9t is pretty ambitious
20 min in the video the QQ hand.
I was just wondering about the argument not to 4b QQ in this. "He has not been 3betting much this session". I asume we are happy with this. A good way to keep it like this is to 4b him. So to me this is an even better reason to why we prefer 4betting. To keep him not 3betting us. Or was the reason to why he did not 3b you, because you folded buttons?
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