Poker Video: Omaha/Omaha 8 by danzasmack (Micro/Small Stakes)

How to ruin a promising series with crappy video quality. Couldn't watch more than 10 minutes of it, HUD is horrible and masks bet sizing. This is barely acceptable for a member video, but totally subpar for a paying training site.

Sorry if it was that rough for you. I was able to see everything fine though maybe my eyes are tainted from all that teamviewer coaching =/.

We will have another full ring video to replace this one but for now this will have to do. Sorry, like I say in the video, the HUD is bad, but IMO not unwatchable at all.

Decent vid IMO, HUD is annoying but pretty watchable. Chuck, What winrate do you think is achievable in this games??

I liked the video, but also had a hard time to see the potsizes. I guess that problem can already be solved if you switch off your own stats, since they are the ones that mask the pot.
Looking forward to the next video!

At risk of belaboring the point about the HUD, but hopefully to offer a constructive suggestion, how about setting up an alternative HUD config when you make videos?

I know reads are important to the videos but a HUD with:

VP / PFR / AQ

and everything else moved to popups

I'm not great at HEM/OMgr but I would be willing to try to set this up if it would improve the vids.

At risk of belaboring the point about the HUD, but hopefully to offer a constructive suggestion, how about setting up an alternative HUD config when you make videos?

I know reads are important to the videos but a HUD with:

VP / PFR / AQ

and everything else moved to popups

I'm not great at HEM/OMgr but I would be willing to try to set this up if it would improve the vids.

I already changed it. This is probably the only FR vid(unless we remake this), so it won't even be an issue anyways. Thanks though.

Not even half way through the recording I knew it was going to be an issue, but I didn't have time to change it and rerecord because of scheduling issues. Fwiw, I don't think it's much worse than the majority of FR multitable vids, but again, sorry to those who took issue.

Decent vid IMO, HUD is annoying but pretty watchable. Chuck, What winrate do you think is achievable in this games??

8ptbbs/100 isn't unusual, and I've seen higher.

good video imo keep em coming

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I think that river bet was terrible. He has a missed LD that's folding always, flush thats calling almost always, fullhouse that's calling always, or a K that will probably fold, but who knows down here.

Time Link to 00:11:59

Obviously the guy played that hand weird. But I think his call on the river is pretty standard. What are you betting flop, turn and river with? Your whole range there is pretty much air and a small amount of flushes going for thin value. Every once in a while maybe you fire a set again on the turn.

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I would raise that hand a majority of the time UTG. I think you can bet that flop. The blinds both have 4 random cards and you have position, an 8 and the NLD. I think it's a good spot to put some pressure on with the NL if you make it and take down the pot. I wouldn't expect to get c/r here hardly ever either.

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What do you think about leading smaller to try and a call from worse on that river? Like half pot or less. I think your hand looks a lot like a bare low. I don't think your ever getting calls from worse and I doubt you fold out better two pairs. You might get a call from A2** and quarter him.

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On table four I would raise that from the CO. It's a hand I would want to try and get HU in pos or take it down pre. Seems like limping and seeing a multiway flop is burning money.

Time Link to 00:59:21

I think you can shove over his lead on that river. You have two ace blockers. He's quartering you sometimes, but i think you are quartering him more often. If he had A25* I would expect him to be puting more money in the pot at some point. It's def close.

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haha. I think a lot of people have experienced this dilema. I know I have. I wish you could turn of the little popups on the table manager, etc. that tell you how much you are up/down. After awhile I have just come into the same mindset as Zophar. I just focus on making the right decisions and find I don't care much about how much I am winning or losing.

Cool video. Really fun to finally see some content on this game. Can't wait for the next one.

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Dude lemme know if you guys want some HH's. I had a couple tricky ones last week. Would be interested what you guys think.

I think that river bet was terrible. He has a missed LD that's folding always, flush thats calling almost always, fullhouse that's calling always, or a K that will probably fold, but who knows down here.

My showdown equity is so weak that I want to fold out the missed lows, I think most flushes are folding and there are only a couple of FH's in their range. Vs. an unknown it's probably not the best line at all, at least vs. a reg they know my range is really polarized so I have more fold equity, but I don't know any regs who'd play it like that either.

Either way I'm not super psyched on how I played it, just beginning with betting that flop. I'd feel better about it had it been a 2 flush instead of mono flop.

Obviously the guy played that hand weird. But I think his call on the river is pretty standard. What are you betting flop, turn and river with? Your whole range there is pretty much air and a small amount of flushes going for thin value. Every once in a while maybe you fire a set again on the turn.

Answered some in the previous line, but given their passivity, I think AKLL, AALL, A5LL, KKLL(although less likely to show up here) I'm firing on the turn a lot. I think the only flush I bet for value OTR is his Q and maybe a J. I think the only real reason I bluffed the river was because the K(or A) created the widest range of repable FH's. I honestly don't hate the result though, as I think I was able to get so much info for later play vs. them. Bluffing is way less necessary and value bets can be a lot stronger.

I would raise that hand a majority of the time UTG. I think you can bet that flop. The blinds both have 4 random cards and you have position, an 8 and the NLD. I think it's a good spot to put some pressure on with the NL if you make it and take down the pot. I wouldn't expect to get c/r here hardly ever either.

I do open this sometimes UTG in NL, probably slightly more in PL, but I'd say I'm generally more passive in FR NL preflop because that's what works for me and given that the BB loved to overshove a ton of open raises, I preferred a limp. Granted I'm probably ahead of his shoving range, but I wasn't too hyped on 100bb flips with just a marginal edge right then. It just helps me keep the variance down which is more beneficial to my overall mindset.

In hindsight though I 100% agree postflop.

What do you think about leading smaller to try and a call from worse on that river? Like half pot or less. I think your hand looks a lot like a bare low. I don't think your ever getting calls from worse and I doubt you fold out better two pairs. You might get a call from A2** and quarter him.

Against most villains I would bet smaller, but this was also the villain from the failed bluff so given the hands they'd been showing down I felt that A3 is not a major part of their range at all and my implied odds if I do make my high hand are huge. This is assuming you mean the A367 hand on the 52T8 board.

On table four I would raise that from the CO. It's a hand I would want to try and get HU in pos or take it down pre. Seems like limping and seeing a multiway flop is burning money.

Spots like this I'm usually torn when the UTG limper only has 50bbs. I'd say I'd 4x more than limp, but it's usually vs. a known opponent, when I have less room to work with postflop I don't like bloating it too much this thin. Maybe a 3x would achieve the same result as 4x preflop, while allowing a little more depth post flop. Limping may be a slight money burn, although I do think it's less the case in NL as PL. I think more than anything my mood factors into how aggressive I play marginal hands.

I think you can shove over his lead on that river. You have two ace blockers. He's quartering you sometimes, but i think you are quartering him more often. If he had A25* I would expect him to be puting more money in the pot at some point. It's def close.

I wouldn't put him on A25X either as I do have some history w/the villain, but I think A2 is close to 100% in his range as his line sorta screams it. When he donks pot, he's always got a nut something and I just didn't see the value in shoving as we split so often and I feel like I'll get quartered/scooped more often than I 3/4 him.

Dude lemme know if you guys want some HH's. I had a couple tricky ones last week. Would be interested what you guys think.

Hey man I'm glad you're supportive of the series. As you know it's an awesome game that has had little material produced for it and anything to help increase the player pool the better. Because of the respectful manner with which things are discussed on DC, I'd really love to see more PL/NLO8 discussion here.

I'll talk to Chuck, but maybe in the last episode we could go over some sent in HH's from all different levels. Although I've played 1/2+, I'm definitely not a reg there, but I think some mid stakes hands would be an interesting contrast to 50 & 100 hands. The series is obv more geared toward micro and small stakes, but hands that make you think on the next level are important for growth.

I do open this sometimes UTG in NL, probably slightly more in PL, but I'd say I'm generally more passive in FR NL preflop because that's what works for me and given that the BB loved to overshove a ton of open raises, I preferred a limp. Granted I'm probably ahead of his shoving range, but I wasn't too hyped on 100bb flips with just a marginal edge right then. It just helps me keep the variance down which is more beneficial to my overall mindset.

In hindsight though I 100% agree postflop.

Limping more is something I def need to incorporate more into my game.

I think more than anything my mood factors into how aggressive I play marginal hands.

I totally agree.

Against most villains I would bet smaller, but this was also the villain from the failed bluff so given the hands they'd been showing down I felt that A3 is not a major part of their range at all and my implied odds if I do make my high hand are huge. This is assuming you mean the A367 hand on the 52T8 board.

Actually I was talking about the A236 on table two. It was right before where the marker is.

Hey man I'm glad you're supportive of the series. As you know it's an awesome game that has had little material produced for it and anything to help increase the player pool the better. Because of the respectful manner with which things are discussed on DC, I'd really love to see more PL/NLO8 discussion here.

I'll talk to Chuck, but maybe in the last episode we could go over some sent in HH's from all different levels. Although I've played 1/2+, I'm definitely not a reg there, but I think some mid stakes hands would be an interesting contrast to 50 & 100 hands. The series is obv more geared toward micro and small stakes, but hands that make you think on the next level are important for growth.

Cool man. If anything I'll be in the forum and we can talk some strategy etc.

Actually I was talking about the A236 on table two. It was right before where the marker is.

Having played with him a bit, I don't know with what worse he's calling either way. I felt like 53 is the worst low he's calling and A7 maybe for high. He doesn't seem to be the hero caller type. I think if I had A253 or AT63 I'm more comfortable inducing, anything less than that I feel like I'm either losing the equity when I split or end up valuetowning myself.

His betsize on the turn was sorta strange, more weak than anything, but given his typical range, definitely Axxx. I think I felt like betting smaller was akin to c/calling, which seems bad, so I just felt like screw it, pot it, make any decision harder.

Limping more is something I def need to incorporate more into my game.

Full ring I feel like enough people play so poorly postlop that it far outweighs errors that can be made limping pre, especially in NL. It seems like the higher my PFR, the higher my variance, but a similar winrate. And a lot of variance causes me problems, not like it used to, but I try to adapt my play to keep that as low as possible.

Often at a table full of unknowns I may start with a high PFR, but I have a generally hard time sustaining a high PFR and playing my A game. If I lose quite a few buyins through aggression quickly, even though likely correctly, doubt will occasionally creep in.

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Hey Guys,

great video so far... just a note on HUDs in HEM.

Chuck, you said that you get screwed up with your huhu hud vs your 6 max hud, i recently found out that you can have multiple huds, one for hu and one for 6max/fr or whatever. it makes a big difference!

....i recently found out that you can have multiple huds, one for hu and one for 6max/fr or whatever. it makes a big difference!

Yes, sorry, I meant to point that out in case it wasn't clear in the discussion above. Also IIRC you can set up as many user-defined HUD configs as you want, and then choose a default one for 9-max, a default one for 6-max, and a default one for HU. I could be wrong about that though.

Yeah, create your new config (under HUD Options => Player Preferences) and then choose where to deploy it on the Use For tab. For example set up a config called "Video" and then just unclick all the boxes under Use For until time to make a video.

From what I can tell you can check multiple configs, though, and it proceeds through the list in order until it finds the first.

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This is an extremely important point about betting for "thin" value (really not even that thin, really a freeroll) on the river. I'm not good at it.

If anyone has some hand examples of this concept they could post on the forum, it would be great. I'll try to watch for this concept and do the same.

Time Link to 01:04:31

If it's a tough aggressive opponent, I'd at least think about changing games. Obviously one opponent isn't reason enough to abandon a great table, but game selection deserves some mention here. I know that's easier to do in NLHE with many more tables available, but still worth a thought.

Here's the thing: anyone who's competitive wants to stay there and outplay the tough opponent. We have to fight against that tendency when it causes us to play in tougher games than we really need to. It might be great practice to stay in there against a tough lineup, but only if you're willing to sacrifice winrate. If you're trying to boost winrate (even at PL2, if you're assessing yourself based on winrate, so you know when to move up to PL5 or whatever), go look for an easier game.

This is an extremely important point about betting for "thin" value (really not even that thin, really a freeroll) on the river. I'm not good at it.

If anyone has some hand examples of this concept they could post on the forum, it would be great. I'll try to watch for this concept and do the same.

Here's an extreme example-

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players - View hand 523810
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BB: $50.00
UTG: $50.00
MP: $12.25
CO: $44.70
BTN: $59.85
Hero (SB): $50.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is SB with A 6 3 A
3 folds, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) 2 K 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB folds, BTN calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.50) T (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

River: ($11.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $44.75, BTN calls $44.75

Final Pot: $101.00
BTN mucks 5 A 4 9
Hero shows A 6 3 A
Hero wins $49.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Great video here! I learned a good amount from this video and look forward to next week's episode. I'd like some hand histories please. Good luck, Yojimgari