Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by tubasteve (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:04:07

Squeezing here should be fine obviously although we're gonna be in a kinda tough spot and probably even have to fold if ukefan decides to come over the top.

However:
We hava a shortstack in the BB and even though we don't have any notes/reads, we do have stats which indicate decent preflop aggression.

I think flatcalling to induce a squeeze and maybe a call from one of the other players might be more +EV here.

Pretty tough to prove that math-wise, since that would be BIG equation with way too many variables/assumptions to make it worthwile calculating, but I'm a feel player anyways

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Not gonna make another post with a timestamp, since it's still the same hand:

At 7 minutes you say that BTN is more likely to ship light/wide here because he's getting compensated due to there being more dead money in the pot now.

I kinda disagree here. That might be the case had we called the initial open and BB squeeze-shipped it in. With us sqeezing and BB shipping we can assume that BB is NEVER bluffing, since we're calling every time.

When BB is never bluffing, neither should BTN be bluffing.

What I'm trying to say is:

If the action goes raise-call-call-ship-fold-ship, then I guess I snapcall here since we're very often flipping vs BTN and might have him dominated even sometimes (vs AJ/ATs type hands). BB could have any pair, lots of Ax, even KQ type hands so we should be in decent shape.

With the action as played it gets a lot closer to a fold imo.

Time Link to 00:16:00

The KJ hand:

Of all the options we have I think calling is the worst one. I'd 3bet this readless (with just stats) pretty close to 100% of the time I guess. Yeah, his stats indicate that he doesn't really like folding to a lot of 3bets, so we're gonna be OOP in a big pot a lot etc. etc.

We must not forget that we hold 2 blockers to his continue-to-3bet-range so that should make his F3% bigger in this spot. Also he's opening the BTN, so that should raise his F3% even more. Granted, he seems not to be stealing a ton but even with a 19% steal we can assume that his BTN steal is at least 25%-30%

If I don't 3bet, I fold though (might call KJs and c/r a lot)

Time Link to 00:23:57

hmmmmm......

Am I really such a big spewmonkey?

I was considering raising the flop smallish to barrel turn and ship river here

There are soooo many hands that he's cbet/folding here that still have us beat/decent equity against us.

Also: Again we don't have reads but his stats indicate that he's most probably not gonna notice that we're repping super narrow here and my experience is that you can REALLY smack these 25/13 kinda guys around a LOT postflop.

We're gonna have to be willing to unload the clip though...

Floating is fine aswell I guess. I don't like folding (in general , but specifically here)

The situation is gonna be a LOT different if UTG is a good, thinking player, in which case I like floating a lot better than raising and spazzing out on turn/river.

Time Link to 00:31:48

unknown halfstack minraises UTG and I have ATs in MP?

FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

I'd just make it $5.5-$6 here though, since I'm not gonna stack off pre. Postflop we have lots of options (and even more so when we make it smaller pre). We can bluffcatch with A-high on certain boards, we can town him, bluff hime etc.

Time Link to 00:35:49

Tecmo:

When I started improving my c/r flop game, I remember that one of the biggest mistakes I made was trying it vs well known SSNL nits. (even I remember ukefan btw and I switched to stars in early '09)

Rule of thumb:

OOP with a speculative hand vs a wide range = good
OOP with a speculative hand vs a narrow range = bad

It's funny really. I don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing but as much of a spewtard I am in certain spots (where you guys seem to be tighter) as much of a nit I am in other spots.

I actually like a fold here preflop.

If I call, then I'll donk a lot of flops I guess, but here I'm not really sure since that is a part of my game which I just started to think about/incorporate.

Time Link to 00:52:06

Against an unknown fullstack I'm probably just stacking off pre without wasting too much of a thought on it.

As played I'm kinda unsure whether I like a bet or a check back. I mean we called pre to not get stacked by his (perceived) tight stacking off range. I guess we're not betting the flop to b/f, but on the other hand, this very range is SUPER strong on that board.

So in a way I think our flop play contradicts our reasoning for our preflop play.

I guess the best case we can hope for is AJ which is 5 outs. Even AK has 8 outs against us. The question now is just how much of his check-but-continue range is draws (mainly AK I guess) as opposed to made hands. We don't know that because he's unknown so betting is fine I guess, but so should be stacking off pre.

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(played the vid a few seconds further)

I don't know guys. calling pre to b/f this flop? Yeah, his range is gonna be strong, but we have put in so much money by now (especially with our flop sizing), that I think folding would be a huge mistake.

Time Link to 01:06:03

I don't have time for that now, but if nobody beats me to it I might take a shot at the math.

Just based on intuition though I guess calling to fold turn unimproved sucks really bad.

Time Link to 00:11:23

Intentionally haven't seen the hand yet so may end up with egg on face but why would villain shove AA/KK here over shorty shove with us left to act? I totally see the logic behind the flat pre but shoving seem silly as he is now only really playing Vs hero (as nothing he can do about shorty) and would surely want to keep hero in the hand?

EDIT: - good no egg I thought AK/AQ/QQ/JJ seemed more likely as it doesn't make too much sense with AA/KK to me. I wasn't suggesting that we should call btw just questioning the AA/KK logic.

Time Link to 00:12:53

I haven't seen the results of the AQo hand yet but I think it's a call pre. I think the BTN can definitely show up with AA and KK here from time to time, but there's also a very good chance he just cold calls the shove from the SS in order to try to induce a shove from you in my opinion. Also, we're getting an insanely good price to call. I think his range is most likely a hand like 99, TT, JJ or AQ, but can definitely include QQ, KK, AA too and maybe even a hand like AJs depending on how suspicious he is of your squeeze. Also, if he's a pad player he may well think AJs is far too good to fold so he'll shove to try to shut you out of the pot or something stupid like that. Against a range of 99/TT/JJ/QQ, 2 combos of KK and 2 combos of AA and one combo of AJs we have 39% equity which makes it really close. I definitely don't think its a clear fold and I don't think you guys went into it enough. It's not a call we love or anything but given the price we get I think it's a call.

Also, I don't like squeezing AQo pre here. As you pointed out CO is 18/13 and he folds to 4 bets 85% of the time. It's safe to assume he's 4 betting or folding and if a player this tight 4 bets I think it's a pretty clear fold. I think AQo is too strong a hand to turn into a bluff here and I think it has more value if you call to induce shoves from the short stack and just to play postflop even though our position is bad. So to summarise, don't like the squeeze, but having done it I think its a call.

EDIT: Oops for thinking he'd never have AK here. I still think it could be a call though.

Time Link to 00:25:16

On the A5 hand, I am checking the villain's turn cbet and aggression stats, and I *might* float him here if he is very honest on the turn *simply* to get an 'implied' bet-sizing tell. I.e, if he is honest on the turn, and he barrels the turn, then we can assume that 7>11.40 is his 'value' bet size, which might allow us to exploit him later when he leads more like pot or 1/2 pot or whatever.

His turn 14>24 looks pretty much like 'value' too, so I am noting this as an observation, and looking for confirmation

The KJ hand:

Of all the options we have I think calling is the worst one. I'd 3bet this readless (with just stats) pretty close to 100% of the time I guess. Yeah, his stats indicate that he doesn't really like folding to a lot of 3bets, so we're gonna be OOP in a big pot a lot etc. etc.

We must not forget that we hold 2 blockers to his continue-to-3bet-range so that should make his F3% bigger in this spot. Also he's opening the BTN, so that should raise his F3% even more. Granted, he seems not to be stealing a ton but even with a 19% steal we can assume that his BTN steal is at least 25%-30%

If I don't 3bet, I fold though (might call KJs and c/r a lot)

I think all 3 options have merit, but the one point you bring up that some of us often forget is that whatever his F3% is, it is likely higher when he opens on the BT. I know I for one sometimes look at the F3% and think "oh, he folds X%" without really considering the fact that he likely folds more in Y situations vs. Z situations.

As played, I think 3b or fold are the best options. 3b for metagame and all kinds of other reasons, fold because of his apparent tightness, being oop, etc.

Am I really such a big spewmonkey?

yes

I think for all of the reasons stated in the vid, this is most often a fold. He's just playing honestly a bit too often to really unload the clip happily and I disagree that there are tons of hands he's cbet/folding here. His preflop range, and postflop oop 3-way betting range narrows the # of hands a good bit imo.

unknown halfstack minraises UTG and I have ATs in MP?

I'd just make it $5.5-$6 here though, since I'm not gonna stack off pre.

agree 100%

Tecmo:

When I started improving my c/r flop game, I remember that one of the biggest mistakes I made was trying it vs well known SSNL nits. (even I remember ukefan btw and I switched to stars in early '09)

Rule of thumb:

OOP with a speculative hand vs a wide range = good
OOP with a speculative hand vs a narrow range = bad

It's funny really. I don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing but as much of a spewtard I am in certain spots (where you guys seem to be tighter) as much of a nit I am in other spots.

I actually like a fold here preflop.

If I call, then I'll donk a lot of flops I guess, but here I'm not really sure since that is a part of my game which I just started to think about/incorporate.

Thanks for the tips

Based on his F3%, I think I still prefer to 3b 89s, but folding obv is fine too. After Tuba made his points, I think calling is the worst option.

I don't know guys. calling pre to b/f this flop? Yeah, his range is gonna be strong, but we have put in so much money by now (especially with our flop sizing), that I think folding would be a huge mistake.

I haven't run the math, but I think his 3b, c/shove range on this flop is pretty much sets, overpairs, and maybe AK w/ the flush draw and straight draw. And I would heavily weight it towards JJ/TT in which case we're essentially drawing to 2 outs. Even with the $ we have invested by calling a 3b and betting the flop, we still don't have the odds to call needing something like 9:1 against sets. You add in the other hands and it obv gets closer, but I still think you'd find it's a fold.

Just based on intuition though I guess calling to fold turn unimproved sucks really bad.

Agree that doing this just feels wrong, regardless of the true correct play based on math.

Intentionally haven't seen the hand yet so may end up with egg on face but why would villain shove AA/KK here over shorty shove with us left to act? I totally see the logic behind the flat pre but shoving seem silly as he is now only really playing Vs hero (as nothing he can do about shorty) and would surely want to keep hero in the hand?

EDIT: - good no egg I thought AK/AQ/QQ/JJ seemed more likely as it doesn't make too much sense with AA/KK to me. I wasn't suggesting that we should call btw just questioning the AA/KK logic.

I think KK is definitely in his range (as is AA but not my point here). People like slowplaying KK a bit until things get crazy and they realize they are going to be screwed if a A flops. Then they shove. Basically, people love getting tricky w/ big hands until some weird stuff goes down, then they just shove.

For those who think the AQ in the first hand is a call, DonnaBeSlammin had AK. Clearly you guys need to work on your results-oriented skills.

On the A5 hand, I am checking the villain's turn cbet and aggression stats, and I *might* float him here if he is very honest on the turn *simply* to get an 'implied' bet-sizing tell. I.e, if he is honest on the turn, and he barrels the turn, then we can assume that 7>11.40 is his 'value' bet size, which might allow us to exploit him later when he leads more like pot or 1/2 pot or whatever.

His turn 14>24 looks pretty much like 'value' too, so I am noting this as an observation, and looking for confirmation

Floating to get some sort of tell is fine if that is the reason you're doing it here. The problem is if you fold to his turn bet, you don't know if it was a 2barrel and he's really aggro or if it was for value. You have to get to showdown to get the real read and that means probably stacking off which I don't think is worth it just to get the read.

I much prefer focusing on his actions against other players and noting his hands at showdown w/out risking my money to get the read.

For those who think the AQ in the first hand is a call, DonnaBeSlammin had AK. Clearly you guys need to work on your results-oriented skills.

What was the river card again?

What was the river card again?

Was hoping you didn't see that...

Time Link to 00:21:58

I thought guys like this were called TAGfish?

Time Link to 00:24:07

Tuba, before I heard you talk about this hand I thought it would be a good idea to float here.

He cbets a LOT and it's a very dry Kxx board, so it's a good board to cbet, so wouldn't this make it a good board to float and see what he does on the turn?

What type of boards do you think it would be good to float this player on?

Results oriented ftl, but did you hit one of your 13 outs on that last hand? You left it paused on the turn for so long, I was in suspense and never got to find out...

Results oriented ftl, but did you hit one of your 13 outs on that last hand? You left it paused on the turn for so long, I was in suspense and never got to find out...

Sorry about that! That's just mean to leave you in suspense that long and not show you! The least I could do is tell you what happened.

Time Link to 00:58:39

If A9s is in villians PF range...
Surely KQhh,KJhh,QJhh,JThh are in his range.

How often would villian have to bet/3bet worse FDs for you to want to raise NFD in position on flop?

Good stuff...

Maybe Mr. Tuba cud consider doing mini serie with same concept about 50-100NL play (like King for a Day)?

I think KK is definitely in his range (as is AA but not my point here). People like slowplaying KK a bit until things get crazy and they realize they are going to be screwed if a A flops. Then they shove. Basically, people love getting tricky w/ big hands until some weird stuff goes down, then they just shove.

What do you think of this play if he had AA/KK?

I'd be happy to do the Pokerrazoring for the last hand if you guys want to suggest some assumptions/ranges, mainly:

What is villain's range when he 3bets the flop?

What is he doing on the turn, and what do we do on a non-heart turn when he checks or bets?

What do you think of this play if he had AA/KK?

I actually don't mind it if he had a read that the shortstack would be squeezing light. Once I 3b, then the SS shoves, I think he can shove and rep a wider range than if he raises just a small amount. As discussed in this vid/thread, a lot of people put his range on something like 99+ here and due to the odds we are being given we are tempted to call. Therefore, he can expect worse hands to call his ship a decent amount, especially if I'm 3b for value. Just so happens I'm an awesome player and folded

I'd be happy to do the Pokerrazoring for the last hand if you guys want to suggest some assumptions/ranges, mainly:

What is villain's range when he 3bets the flop?

What is he doing on the turn, and what do we do on a non-heart turn when he checks or bets?

I'll default to Tuba on this one.

Tuba, before I heard you talk about this hand I thought it would be a good idea to float here.

He cbets a LOT and it's a very dry Kxx board, so it's a good board to cbet, so wouldn't this make it a good board to float and see what he does on the turn?

What type of boards do you think it would be good to float this player on?

Yeah, I was kinda thinking the same thing - being a limit player first and all. The board IS super dry, other than the K and 9 being a little close together.

On the other hand, being that it is NL, I can totally see folding as the correct play, and that calling the flop here too much, could turn into a bad leak.

Anyway, really enjoyed this video guys! I think this is the first 6max NL video I've really gotten into! Maybe this whole NL thing is finally starting to make a BIT of sense!

Time Link to 00:23:00

I feel like talking a little more about the A5s hand. Don't want to discuss the ifs and whens, but I would have liked if you looked for his Turn cbet % and WTS here. There might have been good reasoning for actually raising the turn here because I think a sort of "taggish semi-thinking player" 8or as you call him: The Gutter ) should be scared there a lot - the board was very dry, you can easily rep 22 and 99 and he might have heard of the baluga theorem or the "if you get raised on the turn, just fold"-thereom. So if he's that kind of guy you should not just have a whole lot of FE (vs his TP type hands) but of course also a lot of potequity if he actually shows up with a set or sometimes with TPTK.

good video

Results oriented ftl, but did you hit one of your 13 outs on that last hand? You left it paused on the turn for so long, I was in suspense and never got to find out...

I did not hit

Time Link to 00:42:34

What about donking the flop? I dont see any showdown value here. But i dont know if a donk bet into a multi way pot would be profitable enough. Any ideas on this?