Poker Video: Stud/Stud 8 by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

Agreed! This was a great primer. I had never considered any other game than Hold'em before, but this is tempting me.

I'll add a few more questions: Is the bankroll requirements approximately the same as LHE? As LHE, are the games much softer live than online for the same level?

Agreed! This was a great primer. I had never considered any other game than Hold'em before, but this is tempting me.

I'll add a few more questions: Is the bankroll requirements approximately the same as LHE? As LHE, are the games much softer live than online for the same level?

IMO, the game are great. Sooo many HE players drift into other games w/o a clue. For Stud Hi, expect the same bankroll requirements as LHE, larger for online.

Enjoy!
-Joe Tall

hey JT
is there some kind of pot odds sheet for stud? I assume it would be rather complicated when weighted for dead cards and for more betting rounds

thanks
Nick

Nick,

You'll just have to discount your outs when you see your dead cards. If you have an open ender but two cards are dead, you have a 6-outer. Since you are on most of your continuation decision will occur on 4th street you'll have about ~12 known cards on avg so use a deck of 40 unknown. Therefore you would have a 6.67:1 (40/6) chance to make your hand on 5th. Be careful now that the bet size has doubled and try to keep you pair outs in consideration. On 4th I use a rough standard of 40-unknowns in a full game, regardless of my opponents as it makes the math a bit easier on the fly. However, as you get better you will be able to make clear calculations, add in your opponents range, your possible implied odds, etc and make the best decision possible.

A multi-way sheet could be constructed as you have more opponents and therefore, less unknowns, etc, etc but would take some time, yes.

Hope this helps,
Joe

Keep these stud videos coming, they are a refreshing change from all that NL grinding.

That's the point of the series for sure. To help a HE player "mix" it up and keep poker fun.

At least in the lower limits, looks to me uber-tight is the way to make a buck or two...

Well, it's going to take practice but you'll find you spots!

Hi Joe, I have a question about Stud that I've always wondered about...

I see a normal full table is 8 handed. If no one folds each player receives 7 cards.

8*7 = 56

Which is obviously more cards than are in a standard deck. I realize this situation may be rare, but what happens if it occurs? Don't say it could never happen or I will be forced to get 7 other DC members to a micro limit Stud table to try it out. Do you know how would that be handled in a casino and by an online poker room?

One question on the video: you mention that wired pairs are more powerful than split pairs because they are more hidden. This makes sense to me. As a HE player, is a good way for me to think about this to make it analogous to the difference between holding a set (a pair in my hand with one more of my rank on the board) and trips (two of the same rank on the board, matching one in my hand)?

Hey Pygmy,

If there are too many players left in the hand for each player to receive their final down card, a community card is played. I'm pretty sure this has happened in the rare situations when we've played in 2p2 games at the Wynn, but I'm not 100% sure.

The Seven Card Stud Poker Rules allow a maximum of eight online poker players to play in a hand but given there are only 52 cards in the deck you will run out of cards if everyone sees it though to seventh street. Such being the case if you run out of cards you are allowed to use a community cards which is placed in the middle of the table.

Rob

Joe, I was thinking more about this split pair versus concealed pair thing today and I have another Stud question I'm hoping you can clear up.

Position in Stud is kind of confusing to me because, unlike LHE, it changes. I understand the rules of how position works in Stud, but I want to try to grasp the implications of the changing position a little better (like how it affects the actual play of hands).

I'm probably not explaining what I want to ask well enough, but I think an example will clear it up. Let's say on third street I have a pair of aces with an 8 kicker and end HU with an opponent who has a Q in the door.

If my aces are split I will likely act first on 4th street. But if my aces are concealed I will likely act last on 4th.

Now, I know enough about position from HE to know which situation is better for me, but I guess what I want to know is how much better is it for me to be IP? Is acting last in Stud about as valuable as having the BTN in HE? More? Less?

Should my likelihood of acting last on later streets affect my starting hand selection (e.g. can I loosen up if I am likely to be last on later streets)? If so how should I loosen up? How should I estimate how likely I am to act last on later streets?

My example may be extreme and/or obvious, so more generally, what kind of positional considerations come up often in Stud? Examples would be very helpful.

I know that's a lot of questions and I don't expect you to answer them all. It's more I'm just trying to give you an idea of what I don't understand and would like to learn more about.

Also, I've only watched the first 3 episodes so far, so if you cover some or all of this later on I'm fine with you saying, 'watch episode 6 and then ask me if you still have questions.'

Wow! Thanks a lot Joe.

That's exactly what I was looking for. Your post clears up a ton of stuff, probably more than I realize right now.

And thanks again for tolerating me bumping all of your old threads.

This series was kinda meant as a main-stay for HE player making such a transition, I wouldnt mind it being bumped in a year from now.

Guess Ill be the one to take you up on that I really liked the video and it was exactly what I was looking for. My question has to do with what games to play in comparsion to NL skill level.

For Instance if Im a 100NL/200NL reg what level would be comparable in skill levl? Im not asking in regard to BR managment and I will play the lowest limits till I am comfortable with the game more, but eventually would like to be playing at a level that makes sense for me to give up some of my holdem grinding money wise.

We have played Stud hi as part of a three game rotation for a while in my home game. We play 5/NLHE 10/10PLO and 30/60 Stud with a 5 ante and a 5 bring in.
The game is very loose and we are all horrible. Since the others are so uncomfortable whenever stud is called (which is rarely since its dealer's choice), I would like to call it more often.
What do you think of our structure and are there any specific recommendations that you can make for such a loose passive game apart from tightening up starting range etc.
Great video. Thanks

So I have started on this video series and decided that I am going to commit myself to improving my mixed games. My question is what is the best way to do this? Should I pick one game each week and focus on studying/playing it primarily and continue to rotate while sprinkling in some HORSE (If so, is there any particular order you would suggest learning them in). Or should I just play HORSE and randomly study the different games that I feel a weakness in? Or any other suggestions/ways...

I would watch this video series, in order. I put the games in this order so that HE-players could make a better transition to other games. I would play just Stud-Hi first, then O8, then Stud8 and then some Razz. Watching all the mix game videos here, from All Mixed Up, to Saddle Up to my Mentor videos as well.

Also watch Blumpster's videos!