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Duel at Hidden Temple: Episode Five

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Duel at Hidden Temple: Episode Five by whitelime

Whitelime has been studying in the sanctuary of the Hidden Temple. He shows us his teachings at 2-tables of $5/10 Heads Up NLHE.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: High Stakes
  • 49 minutes long
  • Posted almost 2 years ago

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Comments for Duel at Hidden Temple: Episode Five

Onraad

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chinz

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Audio seems to be pretty badly off sync later on the video.

Posted almost 2 years ago

TazUltimate

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Audio seems to be pretty badly off sync later on the video.



There are some spots where whitelime's mic speeds up his voice but this is not a syncing issue as he recorded audio directly with the video so there is not much that can be done if the audio appears off. Sorry.
-Rusty

Posted almost 2 years ago

jjd323

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Time Link to 00:06:45

This is a really good point, and one I see people messing up really badly all the time. If he doesn't 3-bet much, you don't have to call a lot.

However, the point that you don't mention is the correct "counter-adjustment" that he can make. He should respond by continuing to 3-bet with the same frequency, but only with junk and he will still profit from the fact that you fold too preflop. He should then also be flatting with his entire value range and enjoy playing your very wide/weak range with his strong holdings.

Posted almost 2 years ago

whitelime

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This is a really good point, and one I see people messing up really badly all the time. If he doesn't 3-bet much, you don't have to call a lot.

However, the point that you don't mention is the correct "counter-adjustment" that he can make. He should respond by continuing to 3-bet with the same frequency, but only with junk and he will still profit from the fact that you fold too preflop. He should then also be flatting with his entire value range and enjoy playing your very wide/weak range with his strong holdings.



This is definitely one adjustment you can make, but I think the better adjustment to make is just to 3-bet 30% or so.

Posted almost 2 years ago

jjd323

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This is definitely one adjustment you can make, but I think the better adjustment to make is just to 3-bet 30% or so.



If I understand this correctly, you are saying that if player A is 3-betting frequently, and player B is folding too much to these 3-bets, that player A should adjust not by only 3-betting junk at same frequency, but by 3-betting a far wider range that still includes his value range?

The above implies that you believe the value of taking the pot down preflop is greater than that of playing OOP post-flop in a single-raised pot with a monstrously strong range. This seems reasonable, although I would be surprised if the difference in EV was that great. I suppose it is easier to play the 3-bet game when stacks are not extremely deep, which works in that strategy's favour.

One reason I have preferred to 3-bet junk at the same frequency is that it prevents my opponent from sensing the need to adjust as quickly, whereas 3-betting 30% will pretty quickly reveal itself and against any reasonable player will effect an adjustment much sooner.

Posted almost 2 years ago

whitelime

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If I understand this correctly, you are saying that if player A is 3-betting frequently, and player B is folding too much to these 3-bets, that player A should adjust not by only 3-betting junk at same frequency, but by 3-betting a far wider range that still includes his value range?

The above implies that you believe the value of taking the pot down preflop is greater than that of playing OOP post-flop in a single-raised pot with a monstrously strong range. This seems reasonable, although I would be surprised if the difference in EV was that great. I suppose it is easier to play the 3-bet game when stacks are not extremely deep, which works in that strategy's favour.

One reason I have preferred to 3-bet junk at the same frequency is that it prevents my opponent from sensing the need to adjust as quickly, whereas 3-betting 30% will pretty quickly reveal itself and against any reasonable player will effect an adjustment much sooner.



Whatever adjustment he makes to you 3-betting more though, is an overall adjustment you want him to make. This might mean he folds the button sometimes, or limps sometimes, or minraises sometimes. He's basically sacrificing some value because of your strategy. This is assuming he even decides to adjust.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Slartibartfast

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Time Link to 00:06:44

Could you expand on how light you have to defend v's a 35% 3bet ? You said lighter than T8s.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Slartibartfast

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One reason I have preferred to 3-bet junk at the same frequency is that it prevents my opponent from sensing the need to adjust as quickly, whereas 3-betting 30% will pretty quickly reveal itself and against any reasonable player will effect an adjustment much sooner.



This i like.

Posted almost 2 years ago

cptbackfire

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do you think there is any value in checking back when the 4th heart comes on the turn. Maybe giving him a chance to bluff the river

Posted almost 2 years ago

cptbackfire

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i don't know about a flat with kings when he raises you aren't you only get any more action if a flush card comes and if show what turns if any are you going to fold on. If you 3 bet here doesn't your hand look like a draw. Any thoughts.

Posted almost 2 years ago

whitelime

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do you think there is any value in checking back when the 4th heart comes on the turn. Maybe giving him a chance to bluff the river



I don't think so. What hand is he going to turn into a bluff? Furthermore, if you wanted to catch a bluff, you should pick something like the Th to do it, not the Ah.

Posted almost 2 years ago

whitelime

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i don't know about a flat with kings when he raises you aren't you only get any more action if a flush card comes and if show what turns if any are you going to fold on. If you 3 bet here doesn't your hand look like a draw. Any thoughts.



Not at all. Otherwise, I could float him w/ a huge chunk of my range. He's going to bluff the turn sometimes, and of those times, sometimes bluff the river.

Posted almost 2 years ago

cozar

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hey, i've seen you making some flips at PLO5K, why do you do that?? Some Gambler?? Or other reason??

Posted almost 2 years ago

cptbackfire

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I don't think so. What hand is he going to turn into a bluff? Furthermore, if you wanted to catch a bluff, you should pick something like the Th to do it, not the Ah.


I was not suggesting turning your hand into a bluff catcher but,wouldn't he bluff smaller hearts. You know your the player better than I do though, it seems like he would never give you credit for the nuts on a river bet if you check back.

Posted almost 2 years ago

Liquid Cash

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My only complaint about this video is that the recording of the tables is a bit laggy and that kind of drives me nuts =p

Posted about 1 month ago



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