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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:13:16

I think I like your flop play of smooth call 2 cold with the AJo on the Axx flop. I will be curious what others think.

I feel like the traditional advice is to play fast on the flop and that it's a cardinal sin to play a hand like a set or straight slow on the flop multiway but I think there a some instances where playing slower on the flop is +EV. Just because poor players overdo the flop slow play doesn't mean it's always incorrect.

Time Link to 00:58:37

On the hand where you had K8o on the K3A58 board, the river is an interesting spot between B/C and C/R. I think your reasoning on why B/C is better makes sense. I guess it depends a lot on whether an opponent would fire the river again with QQ JJ TT etc and you are probably right that most opponents wouldn't bet if checked to, but will often make a crying call.

Time Link to 00:00:51

Yes rarely do we take much account of blockers in LHE - here's some math:

With no T or 9:
Villain can hold a pair of tens in C(3,2) = 3 ways .
It is the same for nines, which is a total of 6.

With a T blocker:
Villain can hold a pair of tens in C(2,2) = 1 way.
A pair of nines are still C(3,2) = 3 ways.
The total is now 4.

So he is 4/6 = 2/3rds as likely to have top or middle set.

Time Link to 00:29:10

You said a few times villain donked out TP in a previous hand. Maybe I missed a hand due to the replayer popping up a billion times, but if you were thinking of the hand where you had AJ he did NOT donk. Rather the BB donked and this guy raised A9o.

100% agree with you on the rest - not a good spot to raise semi-bluff the turn. The only thing I'd add to what you said is that you also cut down your IO.

Time Link to 00:32:34

ZOMG I feel very strongly that you need to count in small bets / big bets, especially at 8/16.

I mean, you're right that it'd be 89:16 if the turn got bet, it's just that I don't think that's nearly as clear or useful as 5.5:1.

btw I agree with the river check. nh

Time Link to 00:40:00

GAHHHHH!!!

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about (rewind just a tad to hear your calculation).

4 small bets PF * 4 ways + 1 big blind = 17 small bets
2 small bets * 3 ways on the flop = 6 small bets - cumulative now 23 small bets
Divide by 2 to convert to big bets = 11.5
You bet, he raises, (14.5 big bets now) we think about calling down
He'd put in a river bet, we have to call 2 to SD, so 15.5:2 effective

Round to 16:2
Reduce to 8:1
That's 1/9 which is ~11%
We need to be good a bit more often than that as I ignored rake and rounded the pot up.

Time Link to 00:41:37

I don't love the iso. You have a pretty marginal hand but I think the big problem is that you have very little SD value against a guy who is playing very oddly.

The flop is actually a good example - your read was dead on but you still couldn't do anything about it. He's just going to put us in a lot of really awkward post flop spots.

On the hand where you had K8o on the K3A58 board, the river is an interesting spot between B/C and C/R. I think your reasoning on why B/C is better makes sense. I guess it depends a lot on whether an opponent would fire the river again with QQ JJ TT etc and you are probably right that most opponents wouldn't bet if checked to, but will often make a crying call.

Yeah I also agree with your second analysis - I feel we should bet this river. I also think we should tend to use the same logic and bet the turn:

If villain has KQ type hands he might bet if we check and will probably not raise if we bet.

If villain has QQ- he is much more likely to put a bet in by calling than betting.

So taking those things together I think the bet goes in better when we lead than x/c.

Also the pot is still mw on the turn so we should not hand out free cards to JT, 5x, and the like.

Lastly, I know I pointed this out earlier ITT but I really think it's important to know how your hand affects the villain's range. As we have a K there is now only ONE way for villain to hold KK. Without it he has THREE ways - that's a huge increase.

Time Link to 00:59:07

you play rivered 2 pair like baby! even completely durnk I knove villain is checking back QQ-TT here.

you play rivered 2 pair like baby! even completely durnk I knove villain is checking back QQ-TT here.

Just FYI, I intend to submit this post to Hey Ball for a post of the month nomination.

you play rivered 2 pair like baby! even completely durnk I knove villain is checking back QQ-TT here.

epic

I think I like your flop play of smooth call 2 cold with the AJo on the Axx flop. I will be curious what others think.

I feel like the traditional advice is to play fast on the flop and that it's a cardinal sin to play a hand like a set or straight slow on the flop multiway but I think there a some instances where playing slower on the flop is +EV. Just because poor players overdo the flop slow play doesn't mean it's always incorrect.

yeah it's something i've been experimenting with and i'm not sure if it's good or bad yet. it makes sense to me to have that in my coldcalling range if i have other types of hands in my coldcalling range, which i think i should. if i am going to 3bet or fold everything there then i would just put this in my 3betting range i suppose.

You said a few times villain donked out TP in a previous hand. Maybe I missed a hand due to the replayer popping up a billion times, but if you were thinking of the hand where you had AJ he did NOT donk. Rather the BB donked and this guy raised A9o.

100% agree with you on the rest - not a good spot to raise semi-bluff the turn. The only thing I'd add to what you said is that you also cut down your IO.

yeah i remember the hand where i had aj and he had a9 and the bb donked into my pf iso and then he raised the a9o top pair. i'm not sure if i was referring to another pre-video hand or if i was just mis-speaking. either way i agree that it's a bad spot to raise the turn.

ZOMG I feel very strongly that you need to count in small bets / big bets, especially at 8/16.

I mean, you're right that it'd be 89:16 if the turn got bet, it's just that I don't think that's nearly as clear or useful as 5.5:1.

btw I agree with the river check. nh

hehe, at levels where i play a lot i memorize the potsizes and just can count the pot/bets that way. at levels like 8/16 where i don't play often, when the numbers aren't nice and round i struggle. i mean if you asked me, babs, count this pot, i could re-create it usually from the pf and post action and tell you the price, but it would take me several seconds. when playing online i usually don't/can't do that.

I don't love the iso. You have a pretty marginal hand but I think the big problem is that you have very little SD value against a guy who is playing very oddly.

The flop is actually a good example - your read was dead on but you still couldn't do anything about it. He's just going to put us in a lot of really awkward post flop spots.

i just re-watched it and you are right that it's too thin. the other thing is it's not like everyone to my left is super foldy. and the guy is a big fan of donking.

Yeah I also agree with your second analysis - I feel we should bet this river. I also think we should tend to use the same logic and bet the turn:

If villain has KQ type hands he might bet if we check and will probably not raise if we bet.

If villain has QQ- he is much more likely to put a bet in by calling than betting.

So taking those things together I think the bet goes in better when we lead than x/c.

Also the pot is still mw on the turn so we should not hand out free cards to JT, 5x, and the like.

Lastly, I know I pointed this out earlier ITT but I really think it's important to know how your hand affects the villain's range. As we have a K there is now only ONE way for villain to hold KK. Without it he has THREE ways - that's a huge increase.

i think the other thing is i shouldn't be so worried/scared to bet the turn and probably fold if raised. i think sometimes i don't want to be 'tarped' but then i end up missing value or calling down passively and a similar result gets achieved.

you play rivered 2 pair like baby! even completely durnk I knove villain is checking back QQ-TT here.

lol nh

Time Link to 00:58:38

Given your read on his range once he bets the turn, I'm interested on how you would play a blank river. Are you Ch/Folding if say a 7 instead of an 8 rolls off? Do you expect there to be any bluffs in our opponents range? Do you ever see someone value bet QQ here?

I guess now that I think about it, the 8 doesn't really change much with regard to the strength of our hand to our opponents, so maybe you should still donk out as a value bet whether or not you improved with the 8?

Given your read on his range once he bets the turn, I'm interested on how you would play a blank river. Are you Ch/Folding if say a 7 instead of an 8 rolls off? Do you expect there to be any bluffs in our opponents range? Do you ever see someone value bet QQ here?

I guess now that I think about it, the 8 doesn't really change much with regard to the strength of our hand to our opponents, so maybe you should still donk out as a value bet whether or not you improved with the 8?

yeah, the 8 doesn't really change things. weird hand where i totally reversed myself and talked myself around to the opposite thing in the analysis. i think donkfolding a brick river would be fine.