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Starring BigBadBabar this full ring LHE series teaches you to protect the peanuts you collected in the Peanut Collector. Play starts at $3/6 and moves all the way up to $15/30 if the games are running.
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bigbluffben1
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here you mention kjs and kqo but what about kqs or ato/ats?
def spots i'm having trouble with playing fr
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sushiglutton
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Hehe who is inducable in that spot
? I mean I would't take the note "not inducable" just because he checks down a double paired board.
Edit: Not the most important comment ever...
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sushiglutton
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Yeah it's a very important read what the TAG just did in the A3o hand. That turn barrel makes me maing plans for the future mwa-ha-ha
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BigBadBabar
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make sure you stove em out on your own as well!
i would 3bet kqs and ats there and call ato.
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BigBadBabar
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some fullring limit holdem players
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BigBadBabar
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agree it's not a big deal though
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BigBadBabar
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agree!
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sushiglutton
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I like how u played the JJ hand but like u said there are a lot of close spot. Like on the turn for example. I think he has a lot of middling hands given pf and flop donk. Vs some players we have an equity-edge on the turn and it's doubtful if he will keep firing on the river. On the oher hand I don't know if peopple pay off as light in this game? I also want to comment on when u said that "people donk to find out where they're at and I don't want him to B/F 44". In my experience people maybe start donking to ind out where they are at, but when u tell them u have a strong hand they don't care
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Im really digging in to details and it's obv tough to formulate all thoughts in real time.
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sushiglutton
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U seem very focused on equity and stove in ur pf decission. IMO there's a lot more than math to this game ... Seriously KQo has poorish equity and u set up a situation where u are OOP 4ways on the flop and u knd of need to define ur hand too much. When u check it's clear what u have, but u can't bet all flops. Basically it's a nightmare on many boards. Well that's my opinion
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liquid_quik
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is folding J9o to an ep raise standard for you?
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BigBadBabar
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sure, i definitely agree. it's funny, i'm not very math- or stove- based when i play but i always try to talk about it some in my videos to appeal to all the math guys and to try and talk about things from different angles. i probably would not 3bet kqo oop 4handed vs normal regs or normalish guys if it went open, cc, cc, and i'm in bb.
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BigBadBabar
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yeah, dude had super nitty stats so far (small sample granted); i have no problem folding it.
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PygmyHero
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Good post hoc stack size analysis in the AA hand. Thanks for being candid about the mistake. I agree you should have put him to a decision for all his chips on the turn. The mistake should have cost you $12.50 but luckily he bailed you out by lol bet/calling the river.
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PygmyHero
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K8o open on the top left -
I couldn't see how many players were dealt in due to overlap but given that SB starts the hand with 2 BB I think a fold is reasonable.
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PygmyHero
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Yeah I think expecting him to fold a pair here is too optimistic. He's not going to fold 88 for one more in this large pot. Also, if he has a thought process he might think you would NOT barrel Ax on the turn and thus find your river representation non-credible. And his most likely draw just came in. I think x/give up is best.
Also I think after this hand you should have immediately moved seats to Dave's left - the table's not full and the FTP software makes seat changes easy.
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PygmyHero
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But is our kicker in play?
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PygmyHero
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To be honest my first thought was value bet. I agree with your analysis throughout - a K would keep firing, there's no reason for him to have an A, and if he did hit the Q (JT, Q9, etc.) he would keep firing.
So I feel his hand range is mostly 9x/7x when he checks the river. I agree he might not call, but I'm in favor of letting him make that decision. I think a lot of guys will expect us to be polarized here when we bet the river (it might be better to say they expect us to not be capable of value betting thinly so our bet confuses them). Then they kind of talk themselves into calling in a big-ish pot - 'he would have given more action with Kx or Ax and the Q makes no sense for him either'. Then I crush their soul by showing them my merged range.
Also we can easily fold to a raise. Not that that's ever going to happen.
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PygmyHero
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I don't love the peel but I don't hate it either. I think very seriously about folding immediately and feel it would be best on, say, K83r as:
-we now have only one overcard to second pair
-we have no BDSD potential
-there are no gutshots he can be donking
The overall problem I'm having is that I'm not sure we continue (profitably) on enough turn cards and I really don't see any reason to expect him to check the turn. I guess a fold could be exploitable, which should be a concern since you're at 5/10 now, but I doubt a SB cool caller is doing it.
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PygmyHero
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I really like the way you played this hand. One question I have for you is if you elect to x/r the turn with your Ax hands, do you have any hands that x/c the turn (that also x/c-ed the flop of course).
I really don't think this is the board for WA/WB. As you point out villain can easily see his kicker plays. At the same time the high board pair means you can't have a winning two pair (which is usually one of the main things that stops strong Ax from raising). I'd consider it more on something like Q34A8.
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PygmyHero
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I'll go a little farther and say that I think a turn raise is pretty mandatory. I basically agree 100% with video-review you - this looks like JT/88 trying to deny our perceived flush draw/overs a free card. Also, you addressed this briefly, but this isn't really a board texture where I expect villain to somehow have two pair to beat us. Our kicker is a monster sir.
Edited to add: lol river and results.
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PygmyHero
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WAT ARE YOU DOING?

KING JACK SOOOOOTED...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Did you see we had the spade-iest king and the same-iest jack?
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PygmyHero
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sushi, I agree with you...on the flop. I think raising there and betting down expecting to get paid off by worse is reasonable. However, as played with the way the turn came I would NOT raise. Now I do think we'll get folds from hands we'd prefer stay in.
I'm re-reading my post about it and I'm going to stand firm - I think the river is a value bet. I will say that I think it's tough and in the moment I may very well have elected to x also. I certainly don't fault BBB for checking here.
Maybe it's just because in watching the video we're removed from the moment and also in less-than real time, but as I watched I was very confident we had the best hand and would maybe be called.
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BigBadBabar
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definitely agree, i clearly engaged in some butchery there
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BigBadBabar
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yeah this is a good point - if i knew btn were tighter i would still open it though because i don't really mind if sb wants to blast off his last dollars with a pretty wide range that i'm doing okay against. given that we now know btn was coldcally and it's just one less reason for me to open it
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BigBadBabar
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as;kdjfa;sdfj;asfjsad
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BigBadBabar
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i'm getting toward 3rd pair valuebets but 4th pair ones still elude me
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BigBadBabar
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i am with you on this one. i don't think he checks very often on the turn which is really the big factor for me.
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BigBadBabar
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i guess when i say wa/wb i mean that i think it has some elements where if any amount of action goes in it kind of really defines everyone's ranges and usually that won't be super favorable for me. call it modified wa/wb or whatever.
i think i'd c/c twice here with kk, jj, tt, 99 at least. and part of the reason i am not c/r all Ax hands on turn is so i have some of them in my c/c range as well (aside from the fact that a c/r might not be for value, etc). i could also see myself having a few draws in my c/c c/c range.
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BigBadBabar
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dang. results-oriented me is happy though.
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BigBadBabar
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gosh i am shocked i didn't cap it. also your commentary here reminds me of somebody but i am having trouble figuring out who.
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Such A Card
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Here you're talking about folding JT on a J883 rainbow board if villain calls your flop check raise and then raises your turn continuation bet.
I don't play a lot of full ring, but in the short handed games I'll often see AQ, AK and underpairs take that line - call flop c/r and raise the turn as a free showdown raise. Your image here is sort of as a wild elephant and villain could easily think you're going for the "obvious" bluff which is for you to rep an 8.
I'm not saying it's the correct play for villain to do that, but it happens often enough that I think you have to call down, even if he raises the turn unless you have some sort of read.
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BigBadBabar
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yeah, your points are valid for sure and in a sh game i wouldn't really think about folding top pear very often. but in a 3bet pot vs this sort of nitty seeming guy i think a turn raise is going to be a super strong range. in fr you run into more guys who are kind of just autopiloting and will just always take their 'strong line' with a strong hand. i think the chance that he 3bet pf to begin with with a small pp, and is doing a fsdr, is a rare-ish parlay
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