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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by BigBadBabar (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:00:47

lol wat.

lol wat.

Playing while on the ceiling for balance purposes obv

Time Link to 00:18:48

you chop here vs all other queens.

i dont know if that changes your analysis, but i feel like there is very little value out of a river bet unless you think he folds a queen

villain is loose, but he still doesnt have that many 2x in his range.. probably only like Q2 K2 A2 (you only beat one of those). The 9 makes sense, but also probably pretty discounted, as he can only really have J9 T9 that you beat that make sense.
His mostly likely hand is Qx, and you either chop or lose when you bet.. so lets pretend that the chop doesnt matter:

we beat A2, J9, T9
We lose QT QJ

I honestly think that the likelyhood of him having QJ/QT is way more than the other 3 combos

i havent seen the conclusion of this hand, so maybe you get into it, or maybe he shows down 77 or something.. which i guess could make some sense, but not really.

Time Link to 00:20:33

you talka bout not capping preflop oop. i like this as it disguises our range obviously.

multiway, with this exact hand, its still just a call?
say the btn takes 3 to the face or one of the blinds call.

Time Link to 00:24:44

i like considering a fold on the river. its a super disaster for us and the average FRers tight 3bet range. i need a read that villain 3bets light/often or that they hate me and attack my opens (because we are playing pretty loosygoosy)

although we still beat 99 and TT, we have to discount that they will bet the river here a lot. we also have to discount that they 3bet the flop here.

we really don't beat any hand that makes sense here. we can call because we think villain is a goofyballer, but other than that we chop or lose

EDIT: now that i've looked at the results, i think its not insignificant that we dont have a heart and that the Q isnt a heart. AQs is a more likely 3bet than AQo (maybe im wrong about that) so the AQs combo is AQhh.. there is no other AQs that is available.

you chop here vs all other queens.

i dont know if that changes your analysis, but i feel like there is very little value out of a river bet unless you think he folds a queen

villain is loose, but he still doesnt have that many 2x in his range.. probably only like Q2 K2 A2 (you only beat one of those). The 9 makes sense, but also probably pretty discounted, as he can only really have J9 T9 that you beat that make sense.
His mostly likely hand is Qx, and you either chop or lose when you bet.. so lets pretend that the chop doesnt matter:

we beat A2, J9, T9
We lose QT QJ

I honestly think that the likelyhood of him having QJ/QT is way more than the other 3 combos

i havent seen the conclusion of this hand, so maybe you get into it, or maybe he shows down 77 or something.. which i guess could make some sense, but not really.

lol, i love reading boards

right at the end of my analysis in the video i finally realize we have 3 pair and not a playing kicker, but i still think it's a bet. did i end up getting into it any more at all? i'm pretty sure i did but if not i can go over it again no problem

you talka bout not capping preflop oop. i like this as it disguises our range obviously.

multiway, with this exact hand, its still just a call?
say the btn takes 3 to the face or one of the blinds call.

yeah as far as not capping hu oop (or 3betting), those ideas have been out for a while (i believe deathdonkey was first or one of the first to talk about/implement it?) and it's fairly predominant these days in 6m games as far as i can tell. most folks are familiar with the concept at least, even if they don't do it. in huhu i think most ppl just cap or 3bet or whatever. in fr, a lot of the fr-specific players, especially nits, do cap but only a narrow and imbalanced range, so it's pretty useful info. since i play a lot of 6m i tend just to carry that over in fr and don't cap really unless i have a reason to.

multiway i don't disguise, obviously - i just aim to get pf value. aqo i'm not sure if it's an instacap tbh - would have to depend on the 3b range of the first guy and just how loose the 2nd guy is. like obv co open vs btn 3bet, bb takes 2, i have an easy valuecap. utg open, nitty btn 3bets, nitty sb takes 2.5, meh gotta be not so attractive now.

care to stove out some possibilities?

i like considering a fold on the river. its a super disaster for us and the average FRers tight 3bet range. i need a read that villain 3bets light/often or that they hate me and attack my opens (because we are playing pretty loosygoosy)

although we still beat 99 and TT, we have to discount that they will bet the river here a lot. we also have to discount that they 3bet the flop here.

we really don't beat any hand that makes sense here. we can call because we think villain is a goofyballer, but other than that we chop or lose

EDIT: now that i've looked at the results, i think its not insignificant that we dont have a heart and that the Q isnt a heart. AQs is a more likely 3bet than AQo (maybe im wrong about that) so the AQs combo is AQhh.. there is no other AQs that is available.

yeah, this is very similar to my thought process and analysis as i was going over it with the voiceover. i think maybe i didn't think about my line for the hand as much as i should have while i was at the table. at least we see it in retropect!

lol wat.

wut

Time Link to 00:03:47

I don't see how this is close between 3-betting and folding in middle position in a full ring game. I fold this 100%.

I don't see how this is close between 3-betting and folding in middle position in a full ring game. I fold this 100%.

which hand, the KTo? i think folding is fine certainly. i think in the voiceover i tried to lay out my case for 3betting, which included some things like: he seems laggy, he's shortish-stacked, we are getting near the button, i think i might be able to play a bit better than him postflop, i am in position, etc. thoughts? i also talked about some hands i would 100% 3bet such as KQo and KJs and then i tried to talk about how when i have a hand that is reasonably near a hand i "always" do something with (ie open) that it can't always be the opposite thing imo (in this case a fold).

i mean we certainly can agree that there has to be a situation when this is an automatic 3bet, right? for example the guy is opening all hands for the last 3 hours.

Time Link to 00:36:06

You say that the average player doesnt ch/call here with a lot of stuff, but from my experience they seem to hate folding flops but love folding turns.

Whether that leans me more towards a valuebet/merging bet on the turn or a check back and considering making a pretty big KQ call down, im not sure... but a pretty average fold to cbet in my games is like 30%

edit: you address this thought process...

i agree with you that i have no idea what the right move is

Time Link to 00:53:47

utg+1 you open the QTs
but the very next hand you fold ATo utg.

comments?

I think ATo is usually an open for me... is it an obvious open if its ATs?

utg and utg+1 are pretty similar positions at a full table seeing as we can expect utg (when we are utg+1) to be super tight and we are looking to get through almost the same field in both hands.

I feel like AT plays at least as well if not better than QT does against cold callers... seeing as we are dominately less often with AT vs a cc

against a 3better i feel just as gross with both hands.

I dunno though =)

which hand, the KTo? i think folding is fine certainly. i think in the voiceover i tried to lay out my case for 3betting, which included some things like: he seems laggy, he's shortish-stacked, we are getting near the button, i think i might be able to play a bit better than him postflop, i am in position, etc. thoughts? i also talked about some hands i would 100% 3bet such as KQo and KJs and then i tried to talk about how when i have a hand that is reasonably near a hand i "always" do something with (ie open) that it can't always be the opposite thing imo (in this case a fold).

i mean we certainly can agree that there has to be a situation when this is an automatic 3bet, right? for example the guy is opening all hands for the last 3 hours.

I guess I am a huge nit but I routinely fold KTo, KTs, KJo, KJs, and KQo here. Not only are you often dominated but you have to worry about the players to act behind you and/or the original raiser capping. It just seems like a perfect spot to fold and protect your peanuts

Fwiw, if a guy who has opened every hand for 3 hours opens in early position I'm definitely folding KTo in middle position and waiting for a better spot. It's just not a hand I want to put a lot of money in with and I will have ample opportunity to win bets from him since I have position on him and he's opening 100% of his hands

I guess I am a huge nit but I routinely fold KTo, KTs, KJo, KJs, and KQo here. Not only are you often dominated but you have to worry about the players to act behind you and/or the original raiser capping. It just seems like a perfect spot to fold and protect your peanuts

Fwiw, if a guy who has opened every hand for 3 hours opens in early position I'm definitely folding KTo in middle position and waiting for a better spot. It's just not a hand I want to put a lot of money in with and I will have ample opportunity to win bets from him since I have position on him and he's opening 100% of his hands

i don't disagree with you that it can be uncomfortable and sort of counterintuitive to start 3betting lots of okay-but-not-great hands in this kind of dynamic. but if he is truly raising any two cards then KTo is a 60/40 favorite pf and that's a pretty darn big edge in lhe these days. you are right that sometimes someone behind will take 3 to the face, or coldcap, or whatever, or the original guy will cap (that doesn't really change his range all that much imo though; he's pretty likely to cap 87s for example).

those are sort of pessimistic thoughts though. think of the optimistic ones: we are profiting pf with our stronger range. we play as well or better than this guy postflop. we have position on him! we drive the blinds' dead money out giving us a bigger pot to fight for. we take the initiative so most of the times when no one hits a hand we win the pot. etc etc.

i think avoiding gross or thin or aggressive situations is fine, and can help you become a solid tight-tag sort of fr player, and can help you beat the lowish stakes no problem (whether that is live or online). but as you start to try to beat the medium stakes or more aggressive games or what have you that you're going to have to get more comfortable in thin or aggressive spots, etc. if this guy hypothetically is opening any two cards then we should be 3betting the %$#* out of him (within reason) and seizing these peanuts for ourselves! nom.

now, granted, he's not opening any two, so let's move back from our hypothetical. but he was laggy and opening a fair bit, and all the other things apply. when in doubt while making a video i like to take the aggressive line both to explore it and for the potential benefit/hilarity of those watching. so, there you have it!

You say that the average player doesnt ch/call here with a lot of stuff, but from my experience they seem to hate folding flops but love folding turns.

Whether that leans me more towards a valuebet/merging bet on the turn or a check back and considering making a pretty big KQ call down, im not sure... but a pretty average fold to cbet in my games is like 30%

edit: you address this thought process...

i agree with you that i have no idea what the right move is

yeah, neat lil hu spot. small pots ftw!

utg+1 you open the QTs
but the very next hand you fold ATo utg.

comments?

I think ATo is usually an open for me... is it an obvious open if its ATs?

utg and utg+1 are pretty similar positions at a full table seeing as we can expect utg (when we are utg+1) to be super tight and we are looking to get through almost the same field in both hands.

I feel like AT plays at least as well if not better than QT does against cold callers... seeing as we are dominately less often with AT vs a cc

against a 3better i feel just as gross with both hands.

I dunno though =)

i really go back and forth - don't have super set ranges. often can depend i suppose on small factors like whether i've raised recently or not, or if i get distracted making a video i'd say ats is an open most always for me utg. ato not necessarily always. qts not necessarily always. 9handed ftp tables are nicer than 10handed stars tables imo.

I'm going to skip time stamps as everything I took a note on is already linked ITT.

Nice upside down nub. It might be the hardware acceleration - I have fewer problems when it's off.

~4 KTo - I think this is a fold rather than a 3b. I would fold KTs and KJo as well. I just think the normal FR tightness outweighs the factors you mention.

~25 AQo - I like the PF non-cap and agree with l_q that we should strongly consider folding the river.

~36 KQs - I think this is very well played and think you should probably call the river UI if it bricks. l_q - I don't think it'd quite be a hero call as our hand is ~ A high.

~54 l_q mentioned you opened QTs UTG+1 and then folded ATo on the next hand UTG. I agree with him - that seems somewhat paradoxic. I don't hate either play (raise/fold) for either but think it should probably be the same for both, depending on our style. I'd probably tend to fold both as a default.

Also I swear I saw you open A-rag suited UTG or UTG+1. I don't think it'd be a soul crushing error (especially as these are 9 max tables), but I do think it'd be too loose. But I can't find the time stamp now so maybe I'm making it up.

Time Link to 00:12:59

I call down here unless I'm absolutely sure he can't possibly be trying something silly. Fishy players do fishy things in BBvsb confrontations.

Time Link to 00:49:25

This is a spot where I always like to have at least one guy who will bet the hand for us on the flop and it helps to look at the aggression factors of the players who limped(particularly the button). If our hand was say Kx on a K53 flop then I would checkraise all day because there aren't many overcards or hands that we need to worry about checking through. If someone has a pair they're gonna bet it.
Here we have to worry about too many hands that get to see a free turn. I'd rather bet out and get some value and make a decision on the turn action. Take note of this hand and don't bet out hands like T9/T7 because you'll be getting a free shot to make your hand against this dynamic.

I call down here unless I'm absolutely sure he can't possibly be trying something silly. Fishy players do fishy things in BBvsb confrontations.

Yuck, just looked at it now and I don't like that I made this fold at all. Also, I said the board wasn't very drawy when in fact it is at least somewhat so.

Folding KQo vs mid position raise, really? That hand is suuuuuper easy to play. I'd 3bet JTs and feel very confident about it.

At 3/6 you should be outplaying almost everyone, so 3-bet lighter, call in SB/BB looser.