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Danzasmack (#1)

Woo! No small stakes for danzasmack this time. Danza finds himself OOP vs. a lag and does what it do. Regulates.

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danzasmack
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Hey guys,

So my 1st standalone here. Let me know what you think! I think I play pretty well here and if I don't like my play I let you know fo' sho'.

Cool where i get OOP vs. a lag and use hand reading to pwn him, despite the fact that he gets there a few times.

Also how cool are my card mods?

Posted Mar 18, 2008 9:14am

Hypnotic
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whoa nice surprise video here.

Cant wait to check it out

Posted Mar 18, 2008 9:22am

pannekoek
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Also how cool are my card mods?



Where can i get those?

Posted Mar 18, 2008 10:48am

jajvirta
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Also how cool are my card mods?



Pretty cool, but that yellow is just ummmm.. whatever.

Posted Mar 18, 2008 12:25pm

jajvirta
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I'm watching this audio off (I will watch this with commentary later) so maybe you have some specific reasons for this play, but it just struck out from the stream:

18 minutes or so, hero has J 4 in SB
btn limps, hero compls, bb raises, both call

flop K 8 5
hero checks, bb bets, button raises, hero calls, bb calls

turn 6
hero c, bb c, btn bet, hero call, bb call

river T
hero checks ??

Why not bet out? Button will call 100% of the time your donk, but won't bet his entire range. I think something like weak King, 8x or 66-77 type of hand is still plausible for the button and he won't probably valuebet those. (Well maybe he doesn't have 8x here anymore, but I'm not sure.) I don't know if he's capable of bet/folding a King here, but hero's hand looks sooo much like a flush here.

Posted Mar 18, 2008 2:41pm

Cactus Jack
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Nice video and lots to learn. Unfortunately, Chuck, you sound like a sleep-deprived hamster on crack with some of your commentary. Slow down, dude. Give us a little time to absorb your information without having to rewind a dozen times. It's really hard to know what's the diamonds and what's to ignore.

Small criticism, but lots of DC videos suffer this, so I thought I might point it out when it's most apparent.

Other than that, good stuff.

CJ

Posted Mar 18, 2008 4:49pm

danzasmack
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jajvrita,

I kick myself in the vid for not betting out. As soon as I check I realize it's wrong.

Cactus,

Lol my bad. I tried to make a HU vid and realized i was talking so fast it was worthless. Will probably put the session in a HH replayer.

Posted Mar 18, 2008 7:41pm

larm
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What do you think about completing the sb against Keepdoingit with more speculative hands? He will nearly always 3 bet pf and you dont have any (implied) fold equity so why not complete. In a lot of spots you will be oop in a rather big pot with speculative hands.

Posted Mar 18, 2008 7:43pm

danzasmack
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I think I did that with 78o, no?

Anyway I talked about it for sure. I definitely think it's a cool topic.

I don't necessarily like raising a hand like 78o because it has no showdown value and i'm building a bit pot.

Folding pf getting 3-1 with implied odds is bad.

If he raises my limp every time then i have to call 1.5 sbs into 2.5 sbs so i'm not getting 3-1 there but that's ok with me. I think my implied odds could be good enough.

The only thing I like about raising is the value it adds to my bigger hands. If he is condsistently 3-betting my pf then I am able to play hands like the Q8s and QJs the way I did, profitably and out of position.

So is that something I want to sacrifice?

I think it's an interesting topic and I'm not 100% on where i stand. Curious what you guys thing.

As of where I'm at now im my game, I'll keep raising.

Posted Mar 18, 2008 8:50pm

svidrigailov
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Hey danza,
Just an off-topic comment--you can switch seats without closing the table window by hitting "stand up". Perhaps I misunderstood and you didn't want to move because it would look bad to your opponents, but I wanted to mention it. I'm an SSNL player watching to broaden my horizons a bit so I don't have anything to add about the strategic content, although I did enjoyed the video. Keep up the good work,

s

Posted Mar 18, 2008 8:54pm

Cactus Jack
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Cactus,

Lol my bad. I tried to make a HU vid and realized i was talking so fast it was worthless. Will probably put the session in a HH replayer.



I've been thinking about that, too. Many times in a session, there are hands that lend themselves to deep analysis. Unfortunately, when recording a session, the next hand comes and goes before we've finished talking about the previous hand. Sixth street can last a long time (extra credit for catching the reference).

I'd like to see more videos where hands in session are replayed in the hand replayer. Why not record the session, and intersperse the session with replayed hands with analysis in post-production. This would be a lot of work, I realize, but would make a fascinating and very instructive video.

Overall, if I could figure out a way to easily slow it down and understand everything you were saying, it's one of the best videos I've seen yet. Nice job, man.

CJ

Posted Mar 18, 2008 9:00pm

larm
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I think I did that with 78o, no?



I dont think so but i have memory of a goldfish :P


Anyway I talked about it for sure. I definitely think it's a cool topic.

I don't necessarily like raising a hand like 78o because it has no showdown value and i'm building a bit pot.

Folding pf getting 3-1 with implied odds is bad.

If he raises my limp every time then i have to call 1.5 sbs into 2.5 sbs so i'm not getting 3-1 there but that's ok with me. I think my implied odds could be good enough.

The only thing I like about raising is the value it adds to my bigger hands. If he is condsistently 3-betting my pf then I am able to play hands like the Q8s and QJs the way I did, profitably and out of position.


First of all im not suggesting folding pf, its limping with the intention of calling a raise. You have a lot of implied odds against an opponent like keepdoingit who will nearly c-bet 100% and peel c/r very light. Thats 2 sb which is basically secure.

edit: this would be with hands with no showdown value but good implied odds.

I cant remember the Q8s and the QJs hand.

I dont think you sacrifice that much against keepdoingit. My impression is that if he adjusts to your strategy, he will probably over adjust trying to push you off a marginal holding when you limp... and btw you will still be raising most of your hands.

Posted Mar 18, 2008 9:35pm

rips
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I like the videos with live commentating a lot better than session reviewing in hand replayer, because I've witnessed every read and feel like I'm more into the situation. I hope you continue making the videos just like this.

My five cents anyways.

Posted Mar 18, 2008 10:55pm

danzasmack
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I like the videos with live commentating a lot better than session reviewing in hand replayer, because I've witnessed every read and feel like I'm more into the situation. I hope you continue making the videos just like this.

My five cents anyways.



I'll probably be doing both fwiw. I think with HU i have to do HH replayer though we'll see.

Posted Mar 19, 2008 1:01am

HLS2k6
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Chuck,

Verrrrry nice! I like yewwww! You flat pwned that guy to your left. The read that Q high was good cuz that guy wouldn't check A high on the turn was SICK!!!! Also, although you pointed out the FTP "pro" played a couple hands really well at the end, man did he do some fishtastic things earlier in the video.

Obviously everyone will have an opinion, but I don't want you to slow down your comments. I think you're doing an awesome job. I also like that your videos are entertaining and educational, and your stream of consciousness is a big part of why (Gomer's Robot, ftw). Plus, when I misunderstand something, I can always either rewind, watch again, or post here. I find going back and watching stuff again is always necessary, anyway, because players tend to slip into bad or lazy habits as time goes by. I bet even if I make it to 15/30 or something, I'd still at that level need to review the Price is Right for a checkup once in awhile.

Posted Mar 19, 2008 2:16am

jajvirta
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One quickie: you open K8o on CO having a guy tagged as "mega-lag?" on the button. I would muck this instantly. One of those hands that you need to consider players behind you and having a LAG on the button is pretty much the worst proposition with that hand, right?

Posted Mar 19, 2008 5:43am

danzasmack
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I think he had calmed down @ that point no?

Posted Mar 19, 2008 7:43am

jajvirta
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I think he had calmed down @ that point no?



Well that brings another point on which I don't completely agree. That is, noticing that someone has not 3-bet for a while and concluding that he's playing more tightly today / in this session. Sometimes these conclusions are realiable and sometimes not. I wouldn't agree that someone tagged as mega-lag not 3-betting in few rounds is an indication that he has calmed down. I think it's as likely that he just has been dealt total crap. It's a whole different thing if he has had the habit of 3-betting on a whim, but to me it just seems that the villain is more aggressive than your typical player but not one who is making situational 3-bets with 74o or whatever.

I will try to formulate this as some sort of a Bayesian equation, but I'm not sure what comes out of it. Back to the drawing board.

Posted Mar 19, 2008 3:49pm

danzasmack
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Well fwiw running stove vs. a 3-betting range I know for sure he has when he is lagging it up me equity with K8o is just under 50%.

I have some implied odds when he 3-bets me as well because of the volume of bets he puts in bad in that spot.

I also don't want him to slow down. At all. Sure, i'm OOP but he was playing very poorly post flop vs. me so I don't mind the spot too much at all.

And I think there is a little bit more merit to someone slowing down than you give credit for. Just simply folding a hand OTB shows me that a mega-lag has slowed down for a bit. Folding SBs to BBs (after he was 3-betting me pf with hands as bad as J3o).

TBH, with a guy like that on my left, I want to stay in his face because once there he is going to spew it all back to me and a slightly -ev spot with K8o is fine considering the pot is going to be HU a ton in that spot and my equity vs. his loose 3-bet isn't THAT bad, and it's certainly good enough given my edge vs. him post flop.

However, folding is fine. Nothing is wrong with folding. I'm not saying that folding is incorrect, I'm just saying with my play style and how I wanted to approach the situation I think I was better of raising there.

Posted Mar 20, 2008 6:08am

jajvirta
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I also don't want him to slow down. At all. Sure, i'm OOP but he was playing very poorly post flop vs. me so I don't mind the spot too much at all.

And I think there is a little bit more merit to someone slowing down than you give credit for. Just simply folding a hand OTB shows me that a mega-lag has slowed down for a bit. Folding SBs to BBs (after he was 3-betting me pf with hands as bad as J3o).



Well, yeah. But I'm not completely sure anymore if you're saying that it's better that he is slowing down or not. ;-)

But with K8o on the cutoff I think it's a continuum where it somewhat sucks against solid button 3-betting range (by solid I mean pretty solidly loose, not something like QQ+, AK) and sucks a bit more against more laggier range but starts to not suck against out of line lag range. So if the villain is 3-betting with J7o and the sorts it's definitely worth playing. Especially if the villain plays poorly postlfop.

So, yeah, explanation received and understood.

Posted Mar 20, 2008 6:21am