Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

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Time Link to 00:24:17

Aaron

What's the worst hand you call here vs river shove?

Time Link to 00:30:51

This is a pretty good discussion of overbetting here. I agree that it's probably not the best spot for it, but do you like it better considering you're against a SN on PS? Maybe that's not a great read to add into the mix here, but they do tend to be mass multi-tablers that possibly will be folding their Qx hands here more often?

Also, maybe avoid the fast tables when making vids, as they really cripple your time bank.

For the auto top on: Options -> auto-rebuy (ring games) -> check if fall under 100BB and reload to table max.

And I think the colors of the table in this vid are horrible, not sure if it is the production quality vs size options or the theme but hyper simple theme on stars works better maybe.

I will have study the video more for content comments.

I was like 'Sweet, Stars no more tilting FTP layouts'
And you come up with the worst theme with no face images and wtf colours.
For gods sake guys

Anyway, great vid as always, I would like yo hear more stuff on Alex's progress as a pro in the introduction, and I would also be interested in why his PTR graph looks so bad, and how is he doing as a pro in general.


The Overbet spot was interesting and I will definitely think about including overbets in my arsenal when polarising my river range. Keep up the good work and hopefully make the gap between episodes a lil' smaller

Anyway, great vid as always, I would like yo hear more stuff on Alex's progress as a pro in the introduction, and I would also be interested in why his PTR graph looks so bad, and how is he doing as a pro in general.

Since I have been 'pro' I have found it pretty hard, I hit a bit downswing in October just before I went full time. Still I haven't really recovered but am working hard to get better.

Time Link to 00:05:29

K9s BB: Villains stats is 35/3 meaning he will limp whatever strength hand. Also I would expect him to call our raise almost every time.

Flop: I agree that we need to CB on the flop, but against a player who plays this many hands I would make the bet larger to save some money on later streets. It looks like he is folding like 80% to flop CB if I read the stats right, so making the CB 14 or 15 will tell us where we stand even considering the low number of hands we have on him.

Turn: Why is it hard for him to have a hand here he is willing to play for all his money? Let’s say he is on an 8 and calls the 14 then I believe he is rarely folding the river. Do we have a call if he shoves allin over our 14 bet? My suggestion is to go for a c/r-allin with some decent fold eq (I think he is often weaker when he bets than when he checks behind in this spot) or just get a free card.

River: As notes in the video the 2 on the river is a bad card for shoving. My guess is that when he get to the river he is folding less than 25%. I would simply c/f river and save the last $50.

Since I have been 'pro' I have found it pretty hard, I hit a bit downswing in October just before I went full time. Still I haven't really recovered but am working hard to get better.

I am really afraid of becoming horribly results oriented and being attached to the monetary value if I would become a pro.
With my job I don't give a damn, it doesn't matter to me if I play NL100 or regrind from NL10 as its just for fun and it doesn't feel like real money even.

Did you find it hard not to be results oriented when losing in poker might impact your life expenditures?

Did you find it hard not to be results oriented when losing in poker might impact your life expenditures?

The expenditure is not really an issue, as I live well within my means, and have enough money for 6 months. I have just had a real confidence issue and have basically tied myself in knots trying to make poker simple again. Things that use to be second nature to me are now difficult. I hope that I will make it through this, on a positive note I played awesome this morning and was bitten by varaince big time. I am just taking it one day at the time, and trying not to worry about results but that is easier said than done.

Aaron

What's the worst hand you call here vs river shove?

Sorry it took me so long to get back to these questions.

Mostly a flush is the worst hand i'm bet/calling without any sort of read that the guy is capable of turning pairs into bluffs. If I'm playing with this guy all the time and I've seen him turn something like 99 into a bluff here then i'll have to open my bet/calling range. Most people are not exploiting you here though (although it is a good place to exploit, provided that you know your opponent is a tough opponent and is capable of value betting pretty much everything on the river that he was value betting on the turn...This is one of the ways you can gain edges on the regulars and take advantage of people's propensity to thinly value bet!)

This is a pretty good discussion of overbetting here. I agree that it's probably not the best spot for it, but do you like it better considering you're against a SN on PS? Maybe that's not a great read to add into the mix here, but they do tend to be mass multi-tablers that possibly will be folding their Qx hands here more often?

Also, maybe avoid the fast tables when making vids, as they really cripple your time bank.

honestly I didn't consider or notice that he's a SN. I just saw his stack size and assumed he wasn't very good. I guess that might be an argument for not making the bluff. I don't think this bluff in this spot is hugely profitable (it might be -ev, but if it is, it's not by much) but mostly i wanted to do it just to springboard some discussion into overbets, which isn't talked about much.

K9s BB: Villains stats is 35/3 meaning he will limp whatever strength hand. Also I would expect him to call our raise almost every time.

Flop: I agree that we need to CB on the flop, but against a player who plays this many hands I would make the bet larger to save some money on later streets. It looks like he is folding like 80% to flop CB if I read the stats right, so making the CB 14 or 15 will tell us where we stand even considering the low number of hands we have on him.

Turn: Why is it hard for him to have a hand here he is willing to play for all his money? Let’s say he is on an 8 and calls the 14 then I believe he is rarely folding the river. Do we have a call if he shoves allin over our 14 bet? My suggestion is to go for a c/r-allin with some decent fold eq (I think he is often weaker when he bets than when he checks behind in this spot) or just get a free card.

River: As notes in the video the 2 on the river is a bad card for shoving. My guess is that when he get to the river he is folding less than 25%. I would simply c/f river and save the last $50.

On the turn, the bet is +EV in that we have plenty of equity vs his range. The small turn bet also increases his turn peeling range, which means that he wont always have 8x+, he can peel again with A high, small pp, gutshots, and whatever other trash he's floating with on the flop. Because of our small turn bet, he has more combos of hands that can fold the river even if we don't expect 8x+ to ever fold (although if he does have some hand like 84s, I don't necessarily agree he's never folding it on a blank.

I don't like this kind of format. It seems like Alex becomes too dependent on Aaron's thoughts, and Aaron "gives away" too much before the hands are played so it sort of becomes Aaron playing and Alex is just clicking buttons and listening.

Have to agree with ohjoy here..... I love the series as a whole, but, for me this was the weakest episode yet. There didn't seem to be much purpose in the play at any of the tables. Table selction seemed to be non-existant (so many short stacks) and I felt that Alex's image on pretty much each table was erring on the side of a fish (from the other players perspective) - I expect that his opponents on each table were looking to get into pots with him and wait for him to over-push......

Now maybe this was just the way the cards fell for the session (I don't want to focus on the -ve result for the session) - But image, I think, needed to be considered more for the thin play style adopted.

I'd like to sugest a format for a future session where maybe we track Alex for (say 25 - 30 mins) - hearing his logic 'real time' - then dissect a few hands with Wilt providing insight / advice....

thanks for the advice guys. We'll try to move away from this type of vid. i think the hh reviews, video reviews, and the types other than "live action" tend to provide the best content as we can focus on particular spots.

that said sometimes it's refreshing to see the every day standard spots (like which hands to fold or raise pf and the conditions for why we might do either play) for the newer players...but that said we'll focus on other types of videos for the rest of the season.

thanks for watching
WoT

I'd like to sugest a format for a future session where maybe we track Alex for (say 25 - 30 mins) - hearing his logic 'real time' - then dissect a few hands with Wilt providing insight / advice....

+1

I love these live sessions personally and like them way more than pre-recorded videos.

The reason is that Wilt can alter Alex's lines and show how it should be done as opposed to the tons of videos out there that review pre-recorded sessions and just should what they would have done.

You actually do what you teach while challenging Alex, please don't go away from the live sweat sessions!

Thx for the response Wilt. I also love the sweat sessions (just this particular one wasn't as strong as the others) and I'd also like to see swaet sessions included (just regain your / WhiteHeat's usual passion!).

The suggestion I made to watch WhiteHeat's play with commentary is borne from the following: -

1) This series is a fantastic concept..... Many of us love the idea of bringing a micro-player up to a level where they are playing professionally. DO NOT LOSE this theme when mapping out content for future sessions.

2) I'm sure many of us are 'willing on' Alex - we all want to see him develop as a player and seeing him in action (with his thought process explained) would be a nice variation

3) I know from Alex's blog that all is not easy, and explaining this to the audience would be in line with the overall theme of the series - certainly for me, having followed each season, I'd like to understand the challenges that he's facing with making it in the Pro. world. Alex has recently posted comments (on his blog) re: finding leaks in his game - This would be another great topic for the series.....

4) It seems to me that Alex has many of the skills to make it at his current level and now it's a matter of creating the winning framework and winning mindset that will result in his winning ways. Attacking this challenge for the remainder of the series would (IMO) help Alex the most.

Alex,

Your blog is a great catalogue of the emotional ups and downs that you're facing. Well done for your honesty (I've posted there in the past under the handle 'allmark') - I genuinely believe that you are almost there and feel that you just need to get the framework tweaked and you will be off!

Time Link to 00:04:50

On table 1 I feel like this is a spot where we are auto piloting and miss a chance to bet and take down the pot either on the flop or turn.

On table 1 I feel like this is a spot where we are auto piloting and miss a chance to bet and take down the pot either on the flop or turn.

you're right, good catch!

WoT

Thx for the response Wilt. I also love the sweat sessions (just this particular one wasn't as strong as the others) and I'd also like to see swaet sessions included (just regain your / WhiteHeat's usual passion!).

The suggestion I made to watch WhiteHeat's play with commentary is borne from the following: -

1) This series is a fantastic concept..... Many of us love the idea of bringing a micro-player up to a level where they are playing professionally. DO NOT LOSE this theme when mapping out content for future sessions.

2) I'm sure many of us are 'willing on' Alex - we all want to see him develop as a player and seeing him in action (with his thought process explained) would be a nice variation

3) I know from Alex's blog that all is not easy, and explaining this to the audience would be in line with the overall theme of the series - certainly for me, having followed each season, I'd like to understand the challenges that he's facing with making it in the Pro. world. Alex has recently posted comments (on his blog) re: finding leaks in his game - This would be another great topic for the series.....

4) It seems to me that Alex has many of the skills to make it at his current level and now it's a matter of creating the winning framework and winning mindset that will result in his winning ways. Attacking this challenge for the remainder of the series would (IMO) help Alex the most.

Alex,

Your blog is a great catalogue of the emotional ups and downs that you're facing. Well done for your honesty (I've posted there in the past under the handle 'allmark') - I genuinely believe that you are almost there and feel that you just need to get the framework tweaked and you will be off!

Good post. Because of this post and some others in the thread, I think I will actually scrap what we were planning for this week (we were going to focus on some ootb oop (out of the box out of position) plays but perhaps for the sake of the series and tying it to "real life" we will change it. We might get back to this later in the series, or perhaps in a stand alone later, but for now i think you're right it's more important to focus on the actual progression to professional and deal with the current road bumps for both Alex and the continuity of the series.

Thanks and please be sure to PM me or post here with any other ideas or feedback.

WoT

Time Link to 00:17:03

You seem to auto-muck post flop and not really consider any other options. We can't know for sure but sb most likely has a wide range here. Do you not think shoving could be a good play here, we have a decent amount of fold equity and usually have 6 outs when called

Around 17:00 on the lower left, we isoraise 2 limpers with AQo on the button, and get 3bet to 2.7x. Aaron, you talk about how you like 4bet/getting it in with regs. This is a spot where I find myself a bit lost sometimes. I personally almost always flat in this spot and play a pot postflop IP. By flatting we can keep dominated hands in the pot. If both of us have either an Ace or Queen, we most likely get his stack if we both flop top pair (except when he has AK obviously). Also, we have options IP like floating flop and betting turn, bluffraising flop, etc.

Maybe this is a difference between your HU and 6max experience. Is your 4bet range wide enough in this spot, that opponents will shove with a wide 5bet range here? Do you find opponents typically just 3bet/fold here often enough to justify 4betting? I guess it's really opponent specific. Maybe if they're pretty well balanced and solid enough postflop, 4betting pre is better. Also, if he 3bets to 27bb's and we're 100bb deep, we can't really 4bet to a size that we can fold to a 5b shove. So, this pretty makes our 4bet range entirely for value here, and thus unbalanced.

I dunno, I'd just like to you elaborate a bit. What's your typical range for 4bet/getting it in, or for flatting here vs. different types of opponents? How would this range change OOP?

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1711-Episode-Three?seek=2047

I assume we're 4-bet calling here? I just find this pretty marginal since we have only 59 hands on the villain and he could be just getting cards.

Can you please explain the thought process involved in this situation.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/1711-Episode-Three?seek=2047

I assume we're 4-bet calling here? I just find this pretty marginal since we have only 59 hands on the villain and he could be just getting cards.

Can you please explain the thought process involved in this situation.

certainly it's possible he was just getting hands, and yes it was 4bet/calling. Vs some ppl just shoving over the 4bet is better because you can get them to incorrectly fold out many flipping hands (and you dont risk them 5bet bluffing) but there wasn't enough history to make that a real concern.

That said, even if they are 3bet/felting a normal range, something like TT+,AK,AQ we're still not in that bad of shape with 37% vs that range plus taking the pot pre a good amount of the time when he has air. Check out episode 5 of the math series about fold equity and see how often he has to fold given 37% equity when called. Also keep in mind that some ppl these days are not even 3betting AQ/AK/TT/JJ with 100% frequency in that spot because they like to play those hands for postflop or re-squeeze value when guys come over the top from the blinds, which helps our case even more for being able to 4bet 77 there.

you are correct though, it's definitely a marginal spot. It's going to be a slightly positive, neutral, or slightly negative situation. I think based on what we had seen, we had a good indication that we were either neutral or positive against that guy even though it was a small sample.

WoT

00:17:59 AQ- What flops are we defending against this 3bet pot cbet. I fold often AQo IP to unknowns or a tight 3bet range even when I opened BTN or CO, is this a leak?

It just seems that I wouldn't be ever sure of his range enough to pull off profitable bluffs on rag flops, or he won't not cbet and let us get to a cheap showdown. And playing fit or fold seems real bad as well.

I think my biggest leak is not defending(in certain spots)against 3bets properly.