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Down on the Farm: Episode Two

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Down on the Farm: Episode Two by bosoxx34

Bosoxx34 gets the series rolling looking into progress update on his play, tilt effects and tiltlessness, game plan for 50nl and 100nl, and other topics.

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Bosoxx34 takes a voyage through the farm system of HUNLHE from 50NL all the way to 1000NL.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 43 minutes long
  • Posted about 4 years ago

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ship_it_holla_balla

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I really hate your 3betting ranges, especially the one against the TAG opponent.

VS Fish:
You have too wide of a value range imo. I don't really think you can value3bet QJo and have it be more profitable than just calling his raise. If you can I think it's mostly because of cbet value and then I think you can 3bet a lot more.

VS 100nl TAG/reg:
You have way too many dominated hands, your preflop calling becomes really unbalanced and easy to play against and your 3betting range is also v unbalanced and easy to play against. You may say that you play so few hands that they won't pick up on it, but over 100 hands you 3bet ~9 times and could easily get to showdown 3-4 times and if they see something like AK,JT,AA,A9 they have a pretty good idea of what your 3b range looks like.

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Also, the point about making it a potsized shove on the river vs LP fish, I don't really agree with. I think we should bet larger than normal on earlier streets, because it's easier to get value from gutshots, bottom pair trying to improve etc. on flop+turn and also because we're more likely to get a crying call if we shove for 2/3 pot or halfpot than if we shove for pot.

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There were some other things I disagreed with in the video, but this was the main thing.

Good luck in your voyageSmile

Posted about 4 years ago

bosoxx34

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Agreed on the 3betting range vs the fish. I should've been much more specific, but a lot of the time I'm just flatting hands like QJ, KQ, etc. Looking back at my 50nl stats my 3bet % was only 8%. Those were just the hands I'd be inclined to 3bet which was a communication error on my part.

Against the TAG you make some good points, however with the 3betting I'm also aware of what gets to SD and will adjust my range based on that and how often they are calling 3bets. I'm just not a big fan of 3betting completely trash hands. However in regard to my PF calling range OOP, I don't disagree that. It's always been a weakness of mine and something I'm constantly changing. For a future episode I'll try to get a DC coach to help me with that.

Also, thanks for the input, much appreciated.

Posted about 4 years ago

jonwies

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VS Fish:
You have too wide of a value range imo. I don't really think you can value3bet QJo and have it be more profitable than just calling his raise.


I like to 3bet QJ etc. when I've seen somebody very rarely fold to 3bets, and show up with weak K, Q, J hands that they go all the way with top pair. It's nice to dominate a lot of their calling range. The loose/passives of course tend to just flat your cbets too, so if you missed the flop you usually have overs and some decent equity to hit on the turn.

As a default I don't 3bet QJ and under, but if they prove to be super call-y PF I widen my value range some. I agree that we shouldn't try to have a polarized range or anything like that though.

Edit:

bosoxx have you posted your results, graphs etc. anywhere? If we're following you along your climb it would be nice to see your winrates, swings etc Smile

Posted about 4 years ago

bosoxx34

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I'll post an update either in a video or on my blog at the end of April.

Posted about 4 years ago

ship_it_holla_balla

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Agreed on the 3betting range vs the fish. I should've been much more specific, but a lot of the time I'm just flatting hands like QJ, KQ, etc. Looking back at my 50nl stats my 3bet % was only 8%. Those were just the hands I'd be inclined to 3bet which was a communication error on my part.

Against the TAG you make some good points, however with the 3betting I'm also aware of what gets to SD and will adjust my range based on that and how often they are calling 3bets. I'm just not a big fan of 3betting completely trash hands. However in regard to my PF calling range OOP, I don't disagree that. It's always been a weakness of mine and something I'm constantly changing. For a future episode I'll try to get a DC coach to help me with that.

Also, thanks for the input, much appreciated.




You don't have to 3bet complete trash. You can 3bet the best hands that you're folding (K2s) or 3bet some of the worse preflop calling hands(K7s, 75s). You can also 3bet decent hands that you would be calling with some of the time (like 98s).

I think a couple of points you're not giving enough weight are:

a) The difference in EV of calling vs 3betting, vs just the EV of 3betting. (3betting a hand you were going to fold might be better than 3betting a hand which has a lot of EV with just calling pf)
b) The EV of your whole range, i.e. Shania, as opposed to the EV of every specific hand in a vacuum. (It's better to 3bet AK if you don't have every ace in your range, since then you get more value on ace high boards, it's better to 3bet more than just AA because then you don't get any value with AA, even if 3betting every other hand would be slightly -EV, etc.)

Posted about 4 years ago

ship_it_holla_balla

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I like to 3bet QJ etc. when I've seen somebody very rarely fold to 3bets, and show up with weak K, Q, J hands that they go all the way with top pair. It's nice to dominate a lot of their calling range. The loose/passives of course tend to just flat your cbets too, so if you missed the flop you usually have overs and some decent equity to hit on the turn.

As a default I don't 3bet QJ and under, but if they prove to be super call-y PF I widen my value range some. I agree that we shouldn't try to have a polarized range or anything like that though.

Edit:

bosoxx have you posted your results, graphs etc. anywhere? If we're following you along your climb it would be nice to see your winrates, swings etc Smile




Yeah, I agree, against some fish it's good, but as a general strategy, the playing style you will be playing against most players at nl50 (and everyone at nl50 for the first few hands) I think it's too thin.

Posted about 4 years ago

paulwally90

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is it a mistake to include the 3bet hand eg AA. in the calling range. would ur range in reality be wider bevause your 3betting 10% of this range

Posted about 4 years ago

godteterkel

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I'll post an update either in a video or on my blog at the end of April.


IS the video, or blog done?

Posted almost 4 years ago

STAD

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What rivers would we check/fold in this spot? KHeart or 9Heart only? Or would we even be calling 9Heart?

Posted over 3 years ago

bosoxx34

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What rivers would we check/fold in this spot? KHeart or 9Heart only? Or would we even be calling 9Heart?



With our hand being so underepped I'm calling the 9Heart

Posted over 3 years ago

d7o1d1s0

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sorry to bump this slightly old video.

wondering why you eliminate all weak aces from your value ranges? i play mostly FR and card removal effects of having an A play a big part in determining my 3-bet range especially.

tyty

Posted over 3 years ago

carrot5

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What opponent fold to Cbet % is high enough where you raise 100% buttons?

Posted about 3 years ago

bosoxx34

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What opponent fold to Cbet % is high enough where you raise 100% buttons?



That's tough to give an exact answer to because a lot depends on how they play the turn as well. Generally when they're calling 35% oop and have >60% fold to cbet I'll open 100% of buttons but nowadays in heads up it's tough to find people who fold that much on the flop.

Posted about 3 years ago



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