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Down on the Farm: Episode One

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Down on the Farm: Episode One by bosoxx34

Bosoxx34 kicks off his latest series with a catch up on ideas introduced in the Pilot and then a video of his play at 50NL.

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Bosoxx34 takes a voyage through the farm system of HUNLHE from 50NL all the way to 1000NL.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 47 minutes long
  • Posted almost 5 years ago

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maipenrai

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Not sure I agree & understand the min raising button strategy on 50NL vs passive opponents that don't 3bet pre very much. The rake is obviously an absolute killer on this limit & keeping pots small & 'grind it out' just doesn't seem like the most profitable strategy

Posted almost 5 years ago

maipenrai

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Continue on above.
Maybe you can expand a bit on why you think this is the best strategy?

Posted almost 5 years ago

icrackedyouraces

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I know I should stop playing as soon as I say outloud for the 3rd time are you fkn kidding me? How to avoid it? Get smoked up, rinse, repeat.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Slartibartfast

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Not sure I agree & understand the min raising button strategy on 50NL vs passive opponents that don't 3bet pre very much. The rake is obviously an absolute killer on this limit & keeping pots small & 'grind it out' just doesn't seem like the most profitable strategy



This.


Also, I've found playing HU if I feel slighty titly it can often below blood sugar. Eat a banana !

I only look at my entire EV graph at the end of the month.

The longer a session goes on the less tables I can handle, so if I see myself mistype, misread my hand, I'll drop out some tables or quite if the games aren't that good. If a goon is really getting mommentum I'll close out the nittier /passive players that take a while to beat and focus on beating the nutter on a heater.
One thing that helps me is to stay focused is to realise that if I am getting tired, the non full time player will also be getting tired faster and will start making bigger mistakes. Also, if they are ahead and seem to be bluffing alot they can often go on Winners Tilt and will eventually make some outrageous play, you just need to wait for them to make the mistake not you. They won't notice if you completely nit up while you get your bearings.

Posted almost 5 years ago

FearToxin90

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Not sure I agree & understand the min raising button strategy on 50NL vs passive opponents that don't 3bet pre very much. The rake is obviously an absolute killer on this limit & keeping pots small & 'grind it out' just doesn't seem like the most profitable strategy



Exactly what I was thinking. I would think minraising the button makes their loose passive play less of a mistake.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Ekaidus

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I was really looking forward for this series! Great!!

Posted almost 5 years ago

Bonito

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Hey if you want to 2 table a reg Ill play you.

Posted almost 5 years ago

bosoxx34

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The reason I min-raise PF against these passive opponents is because most just don't fold on later streets very often so the philosophy of 3xing the button and making the standard cbet was just bloating the pot and having to fold on later streets.

I actually asked Krantz for advice here as I was of the same mindset as you guys and he basically explained that our postflop edge is so big that we can just juice up the pot on later streets and we're not losing a ton by keeping pots small PF or on the turn.

If you find a guy that folds to a bunch of cbets or 2barrels by all means continue to 3X and cbet your normal size. However from my experience keeping the pots smaller worked best for me. There were exceptions to where I actually was able to 3x, 3bet a lot, and in some cases 4bet bluff but those were few and far between. Unfortunately it is a pretty boring style but it was very effective for me.

Posted almost 5 years ago

bosoxx34

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The longer a session goes on the less tables I can handle, so if I see myself mistype, misread my hand, I'll drop out some tables or quite if the games aren't that good. If a goon is really getting mommentum I'll close out the nittier /passive players that take a while to beat and focus on beating the nutter on a heater.
One thing that helps me is to stay focused is to realise that if I am getting tired, the non full time player will also be getting tired faster and will start making bigger mistakes. Also, if they are ahead and seem to be bluffing alot they can often go on Winners Tilt and will eventually make some outrageous play, you just need to wait for them to make the mistake not you. They won't notice if you completely nit up while you get your bearings.



Well said

Posted almost 5 years ago

ClicktyClick

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Minraising the button against the described loose-passive type of player doesn't sound quite right to me. I'll get back to it tomorrow

Posted almost 5 years ago

Sava

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It would also be interesting to see some counter strategies to this min_raise_every_button_cbet_every_flop, because it becomes more and more popular at this limit.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Rasputin

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I haven't watched the vid but pitchers and catchers report (officially) to Fort Myers on Thursday.

Posted almost 5 years ago

CarbonCopy

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Time Link to 00:36:04

Hey Bosoxx34,

Not really sure why you are bluffing in this spot with the J7s, especially after he calls on the turn. With your read on how light he's calling down (practically any pair) and you have a hand that is likely ahead of a lot of his flush draw/no pair hands, it doesn't seem like he would fold enough to make it profitable. Would you mind giving your rationale for doing so?

Posted almost 5 years ago

oneillsurfer03

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nice vid. I agree vs these fish at these levels playing more pot control w/ air and just value betting wider in general is a very good strategy. Obv we can still cbet super dry boards and i think ppl are missing that. But cbetting air on a J75 two tone board is just going to be bad vs ppl who have tendencies to peel light anyway

Posted almost 5 years ago

yoguile

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http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/2711-Episode-One?seek=908

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/2711-Episode-One?seek=1775

On these two spots do you fold if villain donk/3bet ?

And do you think we have to split our bankroll on multiple sites at NL50 ?
Because on FT there are a lot of players. I have tried Party Poker but the rake is 1$ max.

Thanks

Posted almost 5 years ago

bosoxx34

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Hey Bosoxx34,

Not really sure why you are bluffing in this spot with the J7s, especially after he calls on the turn. With your read on how light he's calling down (practically any pair) and you have a hand that is likely ahead of a lot of his flush draw/no pair hands, it doesn't seem like he would fold enough to make it profitable. Would you mind giving your rationale for doing so?



Yeah against this opponent it wasn't a great spot. A big mistake a actually make in this hand after reading your post is not realizing I had SD value with the J high.

However this is generally a pretty good time to fire 2 as so many of these guys will call with any type of draw/weak made hand that you can get them off of it with two bets.

Posted almost 5 years ago

bosoxx34

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http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/2711-Episode-One?seek=908

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/2711-Episode-One?seek=1775

On these two spots do you fold if villain donk/3bet ?

And do you think we have to split our bankroll on multiple sites at NL50 ?
Because on FT there are a lot of players. I have tried Party Poker but the rake is 1$ max.

Thanks



Hand 1 probably not. I'm not fist pumping getting it in but people at this level love any type of draw and are perfectly willing to get it in with draws/weaker queens here I think it's + EV.

Hand 2 I'm probably folding. Anything he has if I get it in has good equity or is crushing me.

At 50nl you should be fine at one site, you definately won't be hurting for action at FTP.

Best of luck

Posted almost 5 years ago

wirthi

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At 34:03 you fold 94s in position to a min3bet getting 5:1 odds. Was this a mistake ?

Posted almost 5 years ago

bosoxx34

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At 34:03 you fold 94s in position to a min3bet getting 5:1 odds. Was this a mistake ?



Yup

Posted almost 5 years ago

poopcrew

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i am def down to two table... ftp screen name poopcrew pm me if u wanna play bosox

Posted almost 5 years ago

Bigvee

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Time Link to 00:22:41

As a total noob to HU.... Whats the protocol around "hit and runs", is there a certain hand number expectation? Time expectation? etc..

I know its a junior question, Im just curious and might add some hu to my game and dont wanna be outta line hehe.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Jon54605

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Can you have a little clip of Guns N Roses "Down on the farm" Playing for the intro? = )

Looking forward to part 2

Posted almost 5 years ago

Kesky

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This is a really good, and really 'true' video, in lack of a better word.

The style you described/played is really well suited for 50NL, and I have been playing a pretty similar style to that, with very good results.

I have also experimented with min raising, and found that it is very good against regulars that 3bet a lot, but have predictable lines post flop.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Rockyhill

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I understand the idea behind the minraise and agree with it in general, but I think that you're losing value with a lot of hands. If they're bad enough to call so light that minraising is better than a standard 3x then it's probably better to simply minraise your marginal hands and 3x or even 4x your stronger hands that are likely to dominate what they're calling with. If they seem capable of adjusting our range based on preflop sizing then we can quit playing so exploitably but there's no reason to sacrifice value until they show that they can exploit us, right? You could also argue for limping the very weakest hands in your range, though I'm not sure I like that idea as much. I hate dropping the initiative and find it a little more difficult to put my opponent on an accurate range when I limp.

Posted over 4 years ago

bosoxx34

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I understand the idea behind the minraise and agree with it in general, but I think that you're losing value with a lot of hands. If they're bad enough to call so light that minraising is better than a standard 3x then it's probably better to simply minraise your marginal hands and 3x or even 4x your stronger hands that are likely to dominate what they're calling with. If they seem capable of adjusting our range based on preflop sizing then we can quit playing so exploitably but there's no reason to sacrifice value until they show that they can exploit us, right? You could also argue for limping the very weakest hands in your range, though I'm not sure I like that idea as much. I hate dropping the initiative and find it a little more difficult to put my opponent on an accurate range when I limp.



You know thinking about it it may not be a bad idea to mix up your opening sizes until they adjust. It's something I've never really played around with and it'd be interesting to see how fast a typical 50nl opponent would adjust.

Posted over 4 years ago

frenji

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I don't see the series in the schedule. so when is the next episode coming ? ;p

Posted over 4 years ago

bosoxx34

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I don't see the series in the schedule. so when is the next episode coming ? ;p



I'm going to record episode 2 within the next couple of days. It's a little difficult with the format as it depends on if/when I move up, I'll do my best to keep you guys posted. My next video is going to be at 100nl with some more tilt stuff.

Posted over 4 years ago

nufan

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Hey bosoxx,

I like the intention of this series going from the very button to the top.
You said you would like some input on what should be in the Videos:

As we start @NL50 I would like to see a small Powerpoint Slide with the overall gameplan for the current limit: i.e. Preflop Ranges 3bet ranges etc.. As you can see the minraise every button tactic is already discussed here i guess that many ppl do not have a real gameplan which I think is VERY important. You already mentioned many things of your gameplan but it would be much more organized if you put it together at the beginning of the video.
As you move up to NL 100 as announced you wanted to describe the differences between limits and here again , difference in the gameplan is what it should be. I have watched many videos in the last time where people talk about 15 minutes about a hand, which is quite nice but these extreme specific analysis becomes important as you move up and you will never have these thoughts during play.
So for now on its more important, what you already mentioned, the mathmatics or at least a bit. i.e. you said many ppl have an idea of their monsterdraw equity but it would be nice to know against a strong range to estimate for about 3-5%.

So again cliffnotes of my post:
- Slide with gameplan for each limit (i.e. every kind of ranges [ sure it depends on villain , so mention differences to the usual play vs. unknown )
- At the first limits no too long hand discussions, the people have to get used to their play and will be confused with too advanced concepts instead:
- Some simple mathmatics of draws , BD draws etc. vs strong and weak ranges.
- You seem to be quite focused on the tilt stuff, but i think its enough said and there should be more focus on the game itself.
- You should switch to more advanced concepts as soon as we reach like NL 200 and we are confident the normal conepts are clear.

Just my 2 cents

Posted over 4 years ago

NoWayFolding

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Who says rakes a killer?

Mrbriggs99 is killing 50Nl and 100NL over a semi large sample.

Just look for yourself.
http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/mrbriggs99

Posted over 4 years ago

ehunter

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I would like you to make the differences between levels as concrete as you can (I know this is hard, and maybe not possible). For example I would like to see hands that you would play one way at 50NL and another at 100NL, not just a bullet point that says "we need to be more aware of our valuebetting range" or something similarly vague.

Posted over 4 years ago

Caysche

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Hey, great video, i like it.

From my experience of the first k hands at nl50 I like to raise 3 bb playing against rather passive fullstacks. 2bb seems to be good vs aggressive villains or mid/shortstack villains.

Beside from that I may be too stupid to watch the video correctly but I just can´t see your whole screen in the last part of the video when you are reviewing some hands.

Posted over 4 years ago

Demaat

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What was your winrate? how much bb/100 did you make on NL50?

How much does multitabling infect the winrate per 100 hands?

thank you

Posted almost 4 years ago

bosoxx34

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What was your winrate? how much bb/100 did you make on NL50?

How much does multitabling infect the winrate per 100 hands?

thank you



My winrate was something like 16bb (8BB), I played 4 tables of 50nl pretty constantly but had a ton of experience going into it. 4 tabling definitely lowers my winrate but the hourly made up for it.

Posted almost 4 years ago

RasmusK

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Bosoxx is not min raising anymore right? Think I've just watched a vid, where he did it 3bb preflop?

Posted over 3 years ago



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