rungood992
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Firstly, never use the rabbit-hunt option - it can result in terrible things happening to a person.
Secondly, I c/f AK at 41mins. Your 3bet was huge pre so I actually give him a reasonably strong range (66-JJ) for calling and peeling flop.
Also, cbetting 1/2 pot rather than 2/3 gives you the option of 1/2 potting 3 streets which is more likely to get him off the marginal hands he is peeling with. betting the extra street just makes your hand seem a lot stronger. As played tho, with 1.5x pot on the turn you're left with either an overbet jam on the turn or a smaller bet that just gives him an amazing price on the river. But you know this because you are Krantz...
My advice for WSOP would be to bamboozle them with your check-ball poker.
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SchFerreira
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About 15 mins in, you check back K3 on AKQr on the HU table. Turn is a 9, he bets and you fold. Isn't that crazy exploitable? Most regs check back alot of no equity stuff on those flops, so he can be betting any Jx, any Tx, and also some random nothings. Kx seems like a good hand to have in your check back range so you can call a turn bet, and if you don't you're almost always folding turn so he can bet ATC, right?
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KRANTZ
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About 15 mins in, you check back K3 on AKQr on the HU table. Turn is a 9, he bets and you fold. Isn't that crazy exploitable? Most regs check back alot of no equity stuff on those flops, so he can be betting any Jx, any Tx, and also some random nothings. Kx seems like a good hand to have in your check back range so you can call a turn bet, and if you don't you're almost always folding turn so he can bet ATC, right?
I think I probably wasn't paying enough attention here. I can't think of a reason why I wouldn't call the turn...
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KRANTZ
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Firstly, never use the rabbit-hunt option - it can result in terrible things happening to a person.
Secondly, I c/f AK at 41mins. Your 3bet was huge pre so I actually give him a reasonably strong range (66-JJ) for calling and peeling flop.
Also, cbetting 1/2 pot rather than 2/3 gives you the option of 1/2 potting 3 streets which is more likely to get him off the marginal hands he is peeling with. betting the extra street just makes your hand seem a lot stronger. As played tho, with 1.5x pot on the turn you're left with either an overbet jam on the turn or a smaller bet that just gives him an amazing price on the river. But you know this because you are Krantz...
My advice for WSOP would be to bamboozle them with your check-ball poker.
I think a man calls what he calls--I don't think the large 3b size is going to make his range any tighter than if I made it 4x (why did I make it so big? <- mistake). Cbetting 1/2 pot seems like it's probably better, but I wasn't going to bet more than once and I felt like I didn't know enough about the opponent to fire three streets.
I need a better name than check-ball. What's the poker version of the screwball pitch?
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rungood992
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Yeah true, in this situation not knowing whether he's going to be floating etc its prob better to just use your sizing. Just a general statement vs tagfish regs that will have trouble calling 3.
Hmm idk. you're the creative one so you could probably come up with a better title than me but I'll get back to you.
Edit: misread that. You are the embodiment of the screwball pitch. Stick with that, it's pretty boss.
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cypher23
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Great video as always Krantz and a great question you asked too; what to watch before playing the main event. I am wrestling the same question myself. At the moment I have started to listen through Vanessas Tournamentality podcasts again, thinking one cannot go wrong listening to her thoughts about tournys. If you get any good tips on what to watch, I would appreciate if you share them.
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ralphcifaretto
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Hey Krantz,
Without sounding disrespectful but say online poker comes back to the US, do you think you could make it to HIGH stakes again?
With all your other stuff going on, would you want to?
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KRANTZ
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Without sounding disrespectful but say online poker comes back to the US, do you think you could make it to HIGH stakes again?
Not disrespectful at all! My answer is way more disrespectful than your question: I think I could. How high is HIGH? How long do I have? If I have years to do it and the game conditions stay beatable for the top players I'm confident I could. But I have uncommon confidence in my ability to achieve a goal. Experience and hindsight help too. A lot would have to go my way and I would have to really want it to have any chance. I would need to be completely consumed, and I would have to somehow learn how to love advanced mathematics. Hmmm...
I don't know, I had a lot of success playing high stakes, high pressure online poker against extremely smart, tough and clever opponents. The tools to play poker have improved, but the best players are still the same people and you still can't get any better than "extremely smart, tough and clever."
With all your other stuff going on, would you want to?
Probably not. Chase Berger is the part of me that wants that now. Then again, who knows what I'd do if a healthy ecosystem returned. Online poker could explode 10x bigger than it did before. That would be TOTALLY AWESOME
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ralphcifaretto
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Cheers, for the in-depth answer Jason. So you still think you've got it? Good on ya!
I was thinking about the isildur match. a) D'you look back on that footage ever? b) With hindsight can you see/think about spots where you could have outplayed him?
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B-rye88
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I absolutely think that you should be more likely to flat 88 and 3bet 66 with the intention of jamming over a 4bet than the other way around as you did here.
88 > 66 in a single raised pot, and for what you are planning 66 = 88.
Using both of them for 3b/5b is also a decent option.
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KRANTZ
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Cheers, for the in-depth answer Jason. So you still think you've got it? Good on ya!
I was thinking about the isildur match. a) D'you look back on that footage ever? b) With hindsight can you see/think about spots where you could have outplayed him?
I haven't watched that since it was released. Would be really interesting to watch that and record new commentary. I can't imagine my analysis would be close to as good as it was then but it would be an interesting comparison. He was really good. If we kept playing I'm sure I would have made some adjustments, and he would have adjusted, and it would have see-sawed until one of us started to tilt. He turned out to be like the best ever at HUNL, would have been fun to play him for a long time. But we had opposite trajectories 
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KRANTZ
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I absolutely think that you should be more likely to flat 88 and 3bet 66 with the intention of jamming over a 4bet than the other way around as you did here.
88 > 66 in a single raised pot, and for what you are planning 66 = 88.
Using both of them for 3b/5b is also a decent option.
Yeah, I think I was paying attention to the hand on the left and called 66 without even thinking about it. LEAK DETECTED!
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ralphcifaretto
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I haven't watched that since it was released. Would be really interesting to watch that and record new commentary. I can't imagine my analysis would be close to as good as it was then but it would be an interesting comparison. He was really good. If we kept playing I'm sure I would have made some adjustments, and he would have adjusted, and it would have see-sawed until one of us started to tilt. He turned out to be like the best ever at HUNL, would have been fun to play him for a long time. But we had opposite trajectories 
Yeah, that was funny. Didn't he deliberately seek you out? Would have been really interesting if he'd seen some dc videos, and thought he saw some leaks in your game. Depending on how deep your game was at the time, if you could've come up with a number of adjustments to at least put him on tilt.
It's funny you mention about doing a new commentary over the video. I aspire to be a cardrunners pro (not saying there's anything wrong with being a dc coach but I spent the 1st 6 months of my learning phase over there so its been long-term ambition) and I often think about what sort of videos I'd like to make. And I often think of going over some old sbrugby videos (if they allow me to) and just break down the maths, show how (I wont say flawed but) slightly naive Brian's thinking was towards some of his NL game. And just in general, I think it'd be fun on an artistic level (for you, one day for me) if that's how you approach poker, to see how your thought process has changed.
You know, you (Jason Rosenkrantz 2012) going over the play of prinnyraid vs isildur with a fine toothcomb and acknowledging some potential opportunities missed as a poker player. As well as listening to the commentary of Krantz 6 months later and laying down a new audio track pointing out where you may have missed some spots, or diagnosed some spots in an incorrect manner (as a poker thinker), compared to how you approach NL now.
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KRANTZ
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It's funny you mention about doing a new commentary over the video. I aspire to be a cardrunners pro (not saying there's anything wrong with being a dc coach but I spent the 1st 6 months of my learning phase over there so its been long-term ambition) and I often think about what sort of videos I'd like to make. And I often think of going over some old sbrugby videos (if they allow me to) and just break down the maths, show how (I wont say flawed but) slightly naive Brian's thinking was towards some of his NL game. And just in general, I think it'd be fun on an artistic level (for you, one day for me) if that's how you approach poker, to see how your thought process has changed.
You should go for it now. Make tons of different kinds of videos. That's the only way I was able to make good videos, just doing them over and over again, it's a skill to develop just like playing poker. It'll help your game, too, and you'll probably think up even better ideas for videos as a result. Coaching and making videos is a great way to learn how to improve your own game, and when the time comes to make pro videos you'll be that much more awesome at it.
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im curious why u ask krantz these questions. how long since u haven't played?
does a high stakes pro - one of the best etc etc just forgets to play?
ok poker has changed somewhat but wtf not so much from BF? cmon guyz its a year!
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KRANTZ
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Just curious about your reasoning for ch/r here with the K9s as opposed to just calling.
Calling is good too, might even be better against an unknown. Reasons to c/r: he could float or 3b bluff, he could be cbetting pairs <Kx and call w those, will call w worse Kings. Really depends on how often he cbets and bluffs if I call. Not too worried about being behind so just trying to get the most value
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lulz coffee and brownies go good together.
Would like to see you make some Heads Up only videos on BCP, but either way I"m just happy your back making videos bud, always a good watch!
NVM just noticed your new Duel two table hu video, guess I spoke too soon.
GL at the Rio dude!
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