KRANTZ plays some $25/50NL HU

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KRANTZ plays some $25/50NL HU

A special from our first "Sweeps" week. KRANTZ destroys Nowa1 at $25/50, running up a $50k stack. pr1nnyraiddddddddddddd!

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Comments for KRANTZ plays some $25/50NL HU

Radeh
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Still watching...can't wait for season 2!

Posted Feb 25, 2008 10:18pm

hen
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yo, im getting quite a few erros with this vid.

One error I get from time to time when downloading the WMV files is that the vid could not be save, because the course file could not be read. Then I get told to try again later, or contact the server administrator.

So what basically happens there is the vid will dl for a while then randomly stop and I will have to start a new dl and clear the last one.

Also it might be something I did but this vid got stuck at 14% the first try of watching online howeva it worked the second time fine.

Thanks, loving the site and can't wait for this series particually.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 1:45am

2fouroffsuit
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Could you expand on the 2+2 learned style of hu and/or 6max. I always found 2+2 too full of useless comments to have to sift through to really learn much from there.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 1:46am

Messiah
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pr1nnyraiiiiiiddddd

Posted Feb 26, 2008 2:03am

rusty trombone
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Fancy Krantz,

Could you elaborate on what you said during the Ah3h hand? I understand why you would just call Nowa's flop lead 1) we have showdown value 2)induce bluffs 3)wont get it in as better than a "flip" etc. But, you said if you had a worse flush draw you wouldn't mind just raising and committing yourself to the pot. It seems to me those two statements are somewhat conflicting. Other than the fact that we have no showdown value (9 high fd or something), i dont understand why you would not want to "flip" with the nut flush draw with an overcard, but are comfortable doing so with a lesser hand (naked fd).

thanks.

edit:had the hole cards wrong

Posted Feb 26, 2008 2:35am

poker12
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ugh...i love this fucking site

Posted Feb 26, 2008 2:44am

2fouroffsuit
Pair of Deuces
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Also on the QJo vs KQo hand I was curious about your final reasons for calling. Given the game flow and history up to that point in the match I believe that i would have called too, but I was curious if we have (at least some of) the same reasons.
thx.

GG.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 2:59am

ThaHero
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Head asplode

So much good info in this video. I'm really looking forward to this series as I've been really curious about HU play lately. Nice video.

Oh, can you ship me $5 plz? You can afford it! Cmon! I just signed on my account and all my money was gone. I dunno what happened. Well???? (Those railtards must get annoying)

Posted Feb 26, 2008 3:28am

TouchDaSky
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Krantz, I made a bet that the comments of the video was recorded after your actual play. Did you speak while playing or not ? ( please be honest :) )

Posted Feb 26, 2008 3:37am

Kirb
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krantz obviously did the talking during the video, you can see him stop talking about his thoughts on a checkraise to see what his opponent does before recollecting his train of thoughts.

You can also see in the QJ hand where he says he's going to call one time and then fold but he actually changes his mind during the turn... he'd never do that kind of "acting" after the video was made...

Ship the 500$ :D

Posted Feb 26, 2008 3:39am

rusty trombone
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ummm he clearly did the commentary after the actual play.

edit: in fact, it was pretty funny when he says "what are you doing PAST krantz."

Posted Feb 26, 2008 3:41am

Kirb
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thats the biggest ripoff ever, who the hell does commentary acting after a video instead of just commenting it.

Krantz, help :(?


edit: crap I just realized he actually says the duration of the video at the start...

sigh - _-


STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DONT KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN $)(#?(&$#?#$


deucescracked.com made me lose money

-gambler who lost money because of this site, true story

Posted Feb 26, 2008 3:49am

Entity
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thats the biggest ripoff ever, who the hell does commentary acting after a video instead of just commenting it.

Krantz, help :(?


edit: crap I just realized he actually says the duration of the video at the start...

sigh - _-


STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DONT KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN $)(#?(&$#?#$


deucescracked.com made me lose money

-gambler who lost money because of this site, true story



I think we need to do a series on non self-weighting propbet strategies for you, neh? :)

Yes, this one was recorded after the play. Better that way (in this specific case) IMO as it gets a lot more extra into the video that wouldn't necessarily be there for a "I'm going to do this because XX/YY" style live vid.

Rob

Posted Feb 26, 2008 4:44am

Entity
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yo, im getting quite a few erros with this vid.

One error I get from time to time when downloading the WMV files is that the vid could not be save, because the course file could not be read. Then I get told to try again later, or contact the server administrator.

So what basically happens there is the vid will dl for a while then randomly stop and I will have to start a new dl and clear the last one.

Also it might be something I did but this vid got stuck at 14% the first try of watching online howeva it worked the second time fine.

Thanks, loving the site and can't wait for this series particually.



Hey hen,

These errors all sound like they are with your internet connection, unfortunately. There have been no outages or any problems on our end with these vids lately (and you say you get these errors commonly). Where are you located?

I can help do some more troubleshooting if you'd like but it's going to be very very likely that there is a problem with your ISP or the path from your ISP to our servers on the East & West coast that is unfortunately causing your downloads to effectively "time out" (this pretty accurately describes both errors you seem to be having -- losing connectivity for an extended period of time between you and the server you are accessing). Depending on the browser you're using, there may be some sort of option on your downloadable files to have a bit more "resume support" built in, but I'm not 100% certain that this will help in this instance because of the way the problems seem to be coming about.

See if you can notice any common factors when the problems seem to be most likely to happen (time of day, etc) and also let me know where you are located and who your ISP is, and I can see if I can come up with some tech solutions for you but these sort of problems are really notoriously hard to fix since they'll usually be with your ISP/path to our servers.

Rob

Posted Feb 26, 2008 4:55am

kyotoisok
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this was excellent
keep up the good work and ill keep sending the $s

ye the JT(no heart) hand on the J78h vs his raise to your cont bet seemed like a marginal get it all in spot considering he was wasn't going too crazy in 3bet pots. but i suppose top pair, 100bbs, drawy board etc mheh..

i love when i'm thinking in my head of what action might be the best to take, then you do it..

huhuhu

Posted Feb 26, 2008 6:42am

WiltOnTilt
Exec Producer
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Unquestionably the best HU video ever made.

imo imo

WoT

Posted Feb 26, 2008 9:56am

Kwantum
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This vid is just sick sick sick. Clearly the guy is outclassed overall, but there is a goldmine of HU streamofconsiousness. I used this as a warm-up for my day's session and ended up +2.4k at 2/4 HU :) :) :)

Posted Feb 26, 2008 11:29am

Radeh
Pair of Deuces
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This vid is just sick sick sick. Clearly the guy is outclassed overall, but there is a goldmine of HU streamofconsiousness. I used this as a warm-up for my day's session and ended up +2.4k at 2/4 HU :) :) :)



Actually quite interesting. I also went on to try stuff after watching it, and had a pretty sick run (in a good way). Maybe it was just confidence after watching the video...

I didn't use any stats this time, just focused entirely on the opponent's moves. I'm not sure, but I seem to play better without stats during HU games...and I can always analyze my play afterwards.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 12:34pm

hen
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Hey hen,

These errors all sound like they are with your internet connection, unfortunately. There have been no outages or any problems on our end with these vids lately (and you say you get these errors commonly). Where are you located?

I can help do some more troubleshooting if you'd like but it's going to be very very likely that there is a problem with your ISP or the path from your ISP to our servers on the East & West coast that is unfortunately causing your downloads to effectively "time out" (this pretty accurately describes both errors you seem to be having -- losing connectivity for an extended period of time between you and the server you are accessing). Depending on the browser you're using, there may be some sort of option on your downloadable files to have a bit more "resume support" built in, but I'm not 100% certain that this will help in this instance because of the way the problems seem to be coming about.

See if you can notice any common factors when the problems seem to be most likely to happen (time of day, etc) and also let me know where you are located and who your ISP is, and I can see if I can come up with some tech solutions for you but these sort of problems are really notoriously hard to fix since they'll usually be with your ISP/path to our servers.

Rob



yo im in Bristol, England. On a University ISP so sick fast internet, but i normally get dl speeds of like 450-500kb/s no particular time of the day tbh either. I don't mind though, because it's just me I will just keep doing what I am doing. Really just wanted to check it wasn't a problem on your end!

Cheers for the reply and help man.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 3:23pm

joethepro
Pair of Deuces
223 posts
Joined 01/08

season two is going to be fun.

I didn't use any stats this time, just focused entirely on the opponent's moves. I'm not sure, but I seem to play better without stats during HU games...and I can always analyze my play afterwards.



i think this isn't a coincidence that you play better without stats. it's very interesting and i think it has to do with what krantz said how you can't classify people into cateogories like TAG and LAG and that each individual person is different.

HUDs classify people into groups. HUDS give you an average number and cannot see the change in the flow of a game. it does not see the timing tell differences or small bet size differences in someone who just tilted on a big hand before, but your observant eye who isn't distracted by his HUD numbers can.

if someone just changed gears, it'd take a long time before his HUD numbers converge, but you will be able to tell much more quickly.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 3:27pm

Radeh
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Another cool thing I noticed is that I seem to learn hand-reading a lot fast playing HU. I normally play 6-max, and I don't multi-table 'cause I HATE grinding...so I don't get to see that many hands in 6-max. In order to really read opponents I like going to showdown as much as I can, in 6-max going to showdown enough times to learn something about your opponent takes a lot longer.

Playing HU allows me to fully focus on 1 single player, and I get to play 120-200+ hands per hour instead of just a fraction of that in 6-max.

I rather concentrate on getting better playing 1 table instead of 4 and only focus on stats. I think that should allow me to learn faster, and move up in stakes faster too. I have the attention span of a monkey on LSD, so HU is definitely better for me than full-ring where I only get to play 2-4 hands out of 10.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 5:26pm

LouPinella
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Jay, impressive video.

Are you showing hands just for fun, to build an image, inducing tilt, or something else? I noticed you showed mostly air.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 5:31pm

KRANTZ
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Could you expand on the 2+2 learned style of hu and/or 6max. I always found 2+2 too full of useless comments to have to sift through to really learn much from there.



It's more of a mentality - that there is always one correct line and if you deviate from it you are wrong and a fool for doing so.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 9:47pm

KRANTZ
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Fancy Krantz,

Could you elaborate on what you said during the Ah3h hand? I understand why you would just call Nowa's flop lead 1) we have showdown value 2)induce bluffs 3)wont get it in as better than a "flip" etc. But, you said if you had a worse flush draw you wouldn't mind just raising and committing yourself to the pot. It seems to me those two statements are somewhat conflicting. Other than the fact that we have no showdown value (9 high fd or something), i dont understand why you would not want to "flip" with the nut flush draw with an overcard, but are comfortable doing so with a lesser hand (naked fd).

thanks.

edit:had the hole cards wrong



I guess I didn't explain this clearly enough - getting the money in with the NFD or a lower flush draw on the flop against most hands that would get all-in is going to leave me in very similar shape regardless of which draw I have. But the fact that I can potentially just get to showdown with ace high if I want to and beat his K high or Q high that gives up gives me a little bit more room to just call. That's why I call, and if I didn't think that the showdown value mattered at all I'd probably be raising the flop right then more of the time.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 9:50pm

KRANTZ
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thats the biggest ripoff ever, who the hell does commentary acting after a video instead of just commenting it.

Krantz, help :(?


edit: crap I just realized he actually says the duration of the video at the start...

sigh - _-


STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DONT KNOW WHATS GONNA HAPPEN $)(#?(&$#?#$


deucescracked.com made me lose money

-gambler who lost money because of this site, true story



lol sorry Kirb - if it seemed like I was acting it was only because my memory was probably a little fuzzy on what actually did happen since the match went down a few months ago.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 9:51pm

KRANTZ
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Jay, impressive video.

Are you showing hands just for fun, to build an image, inducing tilt, or something else? I noticed you showed mostly air.



A little bit of all of that.

I've also found that some players like playing with me more than others since I'll give them a peek at my cards from time to time. I don't show against everyone, though.

Posted Feb 26, 2008 9:53pm

rusty trombone
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cool.

thanks for the reply.

Posted Feb 27, 2008 12:49am

Mortimo
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Outstanding video! Ty for making me a better poker-player. I stayed away of cashgames before, because I was afraid of tilting away money to better players. Now, I`m up over +5k in NL 1/2-2/4, after watching all the videoes. Tyvm :D

Posted Feb 27, 2008 9:26am

TheBeloved
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What Wilt said. Really looking forward to season 2.

Krantz any chance you could talk some more about the KJdd hand about 41mins in where you cb on an Axx board, you turn a diamond for your flush draw and then CF. This is a mistake I seem to be making (betting here that is)

Thanks

Posted Feb 27, 2008 1:18pm

tufts
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Hey Krantz

Thanks for the vid, definitely the best HU analysis I've ever seen. I have a few questions:

1) Early on in the match you 3bet AQo and cbet a 3c7c7x board and c/f a 4 turn. It seems pretty hard for him to have a made hand he's happy betting for value and his range is pretty polarized here between monsters and draws/air type hands that are looking for a fold. Would you ever consider c/cing the turn and c/fing to a river bet? Or do you think he's capable of following through with a high frequency on the river? Maybe this is one of the high variance spots you mentioned you were looking to pass on vs this particular opponent in order to keep him from gaining momentum.

2) ~42 min you turn a K high flush draw with KJd and c/f because you're never good against your opponent's range and that it's unrealistic to expect a float on this board texture. Does this change on a Ah8h4dTd board? (less connectivity/two pair/set possibility, more draws) and if so, how does your line change?

3) ~58 min you check TdTs after 3betting preflop on a fairly connected Q high board. I think this is good for pot control given you're ~150bb deep but are you b/cing against this opponent 100bb deep (especially given your read that he's fairly given to get it in light)? Also, what's your plan for the rest of the hand if he bets this flop?

4) In the QJ hand I agree it's probably closer to a fold- what are you doing with KQ/AQ?

5) During a quiet point during the match you mention it's important to stick to your game plan even if the action slows down- is this because you attributed the inactivity to the cards and not your opponent? I assume you'd open up your game if you noticed your opponent playing tighter. Determining between change in my opponents game as opposed to him catching cards/running cold etc is something I struggle with and I think is a huge part of being a good HU player.

6) Lastly, you seem to have a pretty tight calling range vs your opponents flop checkraises even though he seems to be doing it with a decent frequency and you mention it's possible he's taking some shots at you. Were you planning on opening up your calling range once you had a better idea of what he was doing it with? I don't think he showed down one flop CR

Thanks for any reply you can give and feel free to correct my logic or possible overanalysis.

Posted Feb 28, 2008 3:08am

tufts
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Sorry I forgot to include this in my original post- do you worry that 1/2 pot cbets induce a lot of floats?

Posted Feb 28, 2008 3:14am

KRANTZ
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Sorry I forgot to include this in my original post- do you worry that 1/2 pot cbets induce a lot of floats?



Worried, no. Aware? Yes.

Will get to your long post within the next day or two.

Posted Feb 29, 2008 2:48am

Caliban51
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Definitely one of the best videos I have ever seen.

Posted Mar 1, 2008 12:17am

toby
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Krantz has gambling problems imo :)

Posted Mar 1, 2008 8:13am

KRANTZ
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Hey Krantz

Thanks for the vid, definitely the best HU analysis I've ever seen. I have a few questions:

1) Early on in the match you 3bet AQo and cbet a 3c7c7x board and c/f a 4 turn. It seems pretty hard for him to have a made hand he's happy betting for value and his range is pretty polarized here between monsters and draws/air type hands that are looking for a fold. Would you ever consider c/cing the turn and c/fing to a river bet? Or do you think he's capable of following through with a high frequency on the river? Maybe this is one of the high variance spots you mentioned you were looking to pass on vs this particular opponent in order to keep him from gaining momentum.

2) ~42 min you turn a K high flush draw with KJd and c/f because you're never good against your opponent's range and that it's unrealistic to expect a float on this board texture. Does this change on a Ah8h4dTd board? (less connectivity/two pair/set possibility, more draws) and if so, how does your line change?

3) ~58 min you check TdTs after 3betting preflop on a fairly connected Q high board. I think this is good for pot control given you're ~150bb deep but are you b/cing against this opponent 100bb deep (especially given your read that he's fairly given to get it in light)? Also, what's your plan for the rest of the hand if he bets this flop?

4) In the QJ hand I agree it's probably closer to a fold- what are you doing with KQ/AQ?

5) During a quiet point during the match you mention it's important to stick to your game plan even if the action slows down- is this because you attributed the inactivity to the cards and not your opponent? I assume you'd open up your game if you noticed your opponent playing tighter. Determining between change in my opponents game as opposed to him catching cards/running cold etc is something I struggle with and I think is a huge part of being a good HU player.

6) Lastly, you seem to have a pretty tight calling range vs your opponents flop checkraises even though he seems to be doing it with a decent frequency and you mention it's possible he's taking some shots at you. Were you planning on opening up your calling range once you had a better idea of what he was doing it with? I don't think he showed down one flop CR

Thanks for any reply you can give and feel free to correct my logic or possible overanalysis.



1- Well like I said during the video, I really had no reason to believe he was pure floating, so if he wasn't doing that, I just don't think it's ever going to be profitable to continue regardless of which line I take (unless he checks back!). So despite it being hard for him to have a made hand, hey, sometimes they get hit by the deck and you can't do anything. :-)

2- Yep, what you said - in that case, I can do all sorts of things since I likely do have fold equity now... vs Nowa1, I'd likely bet an amount that commits me in case he has a big hand or to deter him from continuing with his weaker hands.

3- I bet and call with shallower stacks against this guy. Against others, who I might induce bluffs from by checking, I check. Less for pot control (since in rred pots you can't really control pot size well) and more for bluff catching. If he bets the flop in this hand, I call and reevaluate depending on the turn card. Not necessarily going broke.

4- going broke with both.

5- Just stick to your read on your opponent and don't worry about the cards. I was relying on the strategy I had developed to beat him and didn't need to start opening more hands to use said strategy, especially since if I did... it would be a weaker strategy. If I had reason to think he was tightening up, though, I'd start splashing around a bit and make him notice.

6- Well, I think that's a product of not c-betting against him very much in this match. He actually only checkraised me like 3x during the whole video, which only seems like a lot since I folded to all of them. I was honestly just hoping to have a defendable hand that wasn't pure air the next time he c/red me so I could get to showdown and figure out what the hell he was doing it with, but yah like you said, we never got to showdown!

Hope that helps - you seem to be thinking correctly about a lot of things already.

Posted Mar 2, 2008 2:53am

maco144
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Pretty much best steam of conscious HU vid I've ever seen. Looking forward to the series.

Posted Mar 2, 2008 9:04pm

tufts
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Hey Krantz,

Thanks for getting back to me and addressing everything I really appreciate it. Can't wait for more vids!

Posted Mar 3, 2008 12:04pm

Scoutski
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That was a totally awesome video, I am a very basic and new player when it comes up, but I was still able to relate to a lot of the ideas you put forward in this video. Although I am aware some concepts are currently beyond me, I have to say this video definately turned some cogs. Awesome, can't wait for more of the HU stuff.

Cheers

Posted Mar 3, 2008 2:07pm

sigurrostyp
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Good video. I liked the analysis of the KJdd hand where you didn't double barrel.

Posted Mar 3, 2008 9:39pm

corsakh
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You seemed to give away your hand strength with betsizing during the match, esp in regards to 3bet and 3bet cbet. In particular, you tended to raise preflop to 600 with premium hands, and only mainly to 500 with random junk. Also cbetting half pot on most flop, but jamming it to 75% potsize range when you have massive equity. Is this just variance play, ignorance towards this particular opponent or something else?

Another question is, you seem reluctant to double barrel A and K high 3bet flops even when you pick up massive outs on the turn. Is this a standard play or only against this specific opponent due to him play fit or fold style? I obv have no idea how high stakes play, but in SSNL it seems to be incredibly profitable to shove turn with pretty much any two on this board because people are expecting you to cbet you here all your range and are peeling with second pair or just plain floating so often. Could you please elaborate briefly?

And thanks. Great vid, I'm hooked :)

Posted Mar 15, 2008 12:00pm

nightowl89
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the best video i have ever seen - thank you Krantz

Posted May 8, 2008 8:21pm

Jmood1
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great vid

Posted Jun 21, 2008 10:38pm

goldseraph
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Enjoyed it, it must feel so good to be on a roll like that, up so much on someone and holding the complete psychological edge.

Posted Jul 12, 2008 10:13am