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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:29:20

Here are some spots I found where I could have played back

Here his 3bet is only 23%
That could have been a spot where I could have 4bet with A2o, or called with the T5s -
I personally like calling over 4betting - since he might expect me to play back at him by 4betting on one, and folding on the other.

32.66 - I do let him of the hook one more time with A5o, where I could have 4bet - here his 3bet is up to ~ 25,5%

36.11 - I do go ahead and 4bet him with the fives

Reasonable?

Here are some spots I found where I could have played back

Here his 3bet is only 23%
That could have been a spot where I could have 4bet with A2o, or called with the T5s -
I personally like calling over 4betting - since he might expect me to play back at him by 4betting on one, and folding on the other.

32.66 - I do let him of the hook one more time with A5o, where I could have 4bet - here his 3bet is up to ~ 25,5%

36.11 - I do go ahead and 4bet him with the fives

Reasonable?

Well I think the issue is that we're 150+ hands into the match and we dont really have much of a 4bet dynamic yet... and the guy is 3betting over 20% and we're folding soooo much. I know there weren't a ton of spots to play back yet, but after so many hands I think we just need to get the dynamic started because we can't keep folding and when you've been folding 90% to 3bet for so many hands he has to be at least a little worried that you finally picked up a hand.

Time Link to 00:10:14

Well I think the issue is that we're 150+ hands into the match and we dont really have much of a 4bet dynamic yet... and the guy is 3betting over 20% and we're folding soooo much. I know there weren't a ton of spots to play back yet, but after so many hands I think we just need to get the dynamic started because we can't keep folding and when you've been folding 90% to 3bet for so many hands he has to be at least a little worried that you finally picked up a hand.

Hmm.. yea thats a good point

What about my checkraise with the T8o here? While playing I thought I could get a ton of credit since I havent really been checkraising him at all. I would defenitely fire any heart, J,9 maybe 7 aswell then decide what to do on various rivers.

What if I made it with like Th8 instead?, if we consider the very bottom of my checkraising range

Time Link to 00:07:00

I like my turn lead here. I can very easily represent that board, and get him to fold very often if i fire two streets. With a stronger ace like A9, I like a check alot more, but even then I sometimes lose to 5x,3x,22-66, or some other weak hand that I could have beat if I just fired?

It also gets a little bit tough if I do decide to check, and he somehow bets the turn, and the river - even though his range is more or less Jx or nothing. That way I do get a little bit more value out of hix pure air though

Time Link to 00:13:28

On this kind of texture in villain's shoes, what would be your preferred play with let's say Q8s(or similar hands) that you've 3-bet - to c-bet and bluffcatch floats or possibly bluff some good overcards to an 8 , or to go and check on the flop and play from there?
Well, if you check the flop then your hand becomes quite transparent and you have to make some hard decisions or adjust by checking some stronger hands; and if you c-bet those hands on the flop, and you don't know yet his frequencies of floating you on the flop, so it's not easy to play future streets too, and if you c-bet the flop and x/c the turn brick - your hand's strength is somewhat not strong and defined also.

Hmm.. yea thats a good point

What about my checkraise with the T8o here? While playing I thought I could get a ton of credit since I havent really been checkraising him at all. I would defenitely fire any heart, J,9 maybe 7 aswell then decide what to do on various rivers.

What if I made it with like Th8 instead?, if we consider the very bottom of my checkraising range

I would like Th8x better but I think the main thing is the sizing. Having more equity would be nice too but the biggest consideration is just how good your opponent is and does he realize what you rep and is he willing to do anything about it.

I like my turn lead here. I can very easily represent that board, and get him to fold very often if i fire two streets. With a stronger ace like A9, I like a check alot more, but even then I sometimes lose to 5x,3x,22-66, or some other weak hand that I could have beat if I just fired?

It also gets a little bit tough if I do decide to check, and he somehow bets the turn, and the river - even though his range is more or less Jx or nothing. That way I do get a little bit more value out of hix pure air though

most of those pair hands you expect him to fold by the river i would expect him to cbet on 953r

On this kind of texture in villain's shoes, what would be your preferred play with let's say Q8s(or similar hands) that you've 3-bet - to c-bet and bluffcatch floats or possibly bluff some good overcards to an 8 , or to go and check on the flop and play from there?
Well, if you check the flop then your hand becomes quite transparent and you have to make some hard decisions or adjust by checking some stronger hands; and if you c-bet those hands on the flop, and you don't know yet his frequencies of floating you on the flop, so it's not easy to play future streets too, and if you c-bet the flop and x/c the turn brick - your hand's strength is somewhat not strong and defined also.

Yea, these are some of the trickiest common spots in hunl. It's hard to know what to do. Generally speaking, if I don't feel very confident that I can c/c down or c/c flop and be certain about folding a later street, then I would usually error on the side of cbetting. The turn play does get tough though after cbetting and there's not a clear course of action on many turns. You have to rely on how tricky you've seen him be in previous, unrelated situations to try to draw some conclusions here (ie, has he been floating checkraises? Does he try to bluff raise your cbets in 3bet pots in other situations? Have you seen him thin value raise weak top pairs to induce previous? etc

most of those pair hands you expect him to fold by the river i would expect him to cbet on 953r

Yeah, you're right. I think we can discount the good 5x, 66 and propably 44
Now that I think about it, I kinda prefer doing it with a hand like 78s or something instead, and get that extra value from his air by check-calling with Ax here. Sucks if he raises when I bet into him aswell.

I would like Th8x better but I think the main thing is the sizing. Having more equity would be nice too but the biggest consideration is just how good your opponent is and does he realize what you rep and is he willing to do anything about it.

I pretty much figured I could raise with more or less any two cards there and take it down with a very high success rate, but a little more equity is always good I guess

Jordan has spoke to me about the betsizes, and that is something Im working on as we speak.
Was pretty unaware when recording the video though ;D

With a stronger ace like A9, I like a check alot more,....

i meant A6, A9 obv is a pair.. but yea

Good video!
I think 2fouroffsuit is really good in explaining his thoughts and general HU concepts. Great work, both of you!

As far as the high fold to 3bet is concerned: I don’t know that much about statistics, but I’m pretty sure it’s not that unlikely to hold junk for a long stretch of hands, when we get 3bet. Especially when we are playing a 100% range from the SB. Just recently I had two matches, where I was raising my standard ~80% range and after 200 hands I’ve opened only about 50% of my hands, because I was dealt junk constantly. It just happens and there is only so much we can do about it (like using the “image” of our tight 3bet calling range to our advantage until we finally get a real hand).

Speaking of 3bets. What would your general game plan be vs. opponents, who open a lot of hands but only fold to 10-20% of 3bets (let’s say vs. a 15-20% 3bet range) and don’t fold to Cbets in 3bet pots? I guess we should widen our 3bet value range and take most of our bluffs out, right? Is there any merit to make our 3bets bigger (till the point we get more folds)?

Good video!
I think 2fouroffsuit is really good in explaining his thoughts and general HU concepts. Great work, both of you!

As far as the high fold to 3bet is concerned: I don’t know that much about statistics, but I’m pretty sure it’s not that unlikely to hold junk for a long stretch of hands, when we get 3bet. Especially when we are playing a 100% range from the SB. Just recently I had two matches, where I was raising my standard ~80% range and after 200 hands I’ve opened only about 50% of my hands, because I was dealt junk constantly. It just happens and there is only so much we can do about it (like using the “image” of our tight 3bet calling range to our advantage until we finally get a real hand).

Speaking of 3bets. What would your general game plan be vs. opponents, who open a lot of hands but only fold to 10-20% of 3bets (let’s say vs. a 15-20% 3bet range) and don’t fold to Cbets in 3bet pots? I guess we should widen our 3bet value range and take most of our bluffs out, right? Is there any merit to make our 3bets bigger (till the point we get more folds)?

if hes defending that wide then you need to widen your value 3bet range (all the broadways, A8o, etc) and barrel away postflop just think of how weakly he connects to each board on average and realize you can get thinner value and bluff more streets

if hes defending that wide then you need to widen your value 3bet range (all the broadways, A8o, etc) and barrel away postflop just think of how weakly he connects to each board on average and realize you can get thinner value and bluff more streets

Agreed. Glad that Wilt mentions A8o in there as part of expanding your value range because for whatever reason sometimes people get scared to start 3betting wider than the top left corner of pokerstove (broadways) but if your opponent isn't folding much to 3bets then obviously hands like A8o are great to add in and you can go even wider than that too.

Thanks for the kind words Tolp!

Thx for your answers!

Ok so I was thinking in the right direction, although I didn't think about putting A8o in my value range. I’ll definitely try to barrel more, when I miss the flop and go for very thin value, when I hit something rather weak. Coming from FR and 6max it’s still a challenge for me to deal with very wide ranges, especially in a 3bet pot oop. It’s also very tilting, when you finally hit a strong hand against such a guy and get coolered by random junk. On the other hand you are also making tons of money, when you run good vs. such an opponent. Playing vs. such guys is very high variance and I’ll guess I have to accept that (although it can be pretty annoying to lose a couple of stacks in a couple of minutes with TPTK or better vs. such a guy, when he runs hot).

Time Link to 00:22:24

It looks like you are saying that 77 is an easy 3B.
Since there is no 4B dynamic (in which case we can 3B/shove) what do you do when get 4B?
I agree he has been 4Betting a bit but not that much. Or maybe he was 4Betting enough to be 3B/5B?

It looks like you are saying that 77 is an easy 3B.
Since there is no 4B dynamic (in which case we can 3B/shove) what do you do when get 4B?
I agree he has been 4Betting a bit but not that much. Or maybe he was 4Betting enough to be 3B/5B?

it's a combination of us 3betting a ton and him 4betting a lot too (small sample) but his 4bet is 23%. Our 3bet is 32% and 23%. With reg on reg 3bet/4bet dynamic, you can 3bet a hand like this before the 4bet dynamic gets started, anticipating his adjustment. So we'd be 3betting to 5bet.

Time Link to 00:03:20

When I play vs an aggro guy who calls my 3bet here it becomes a lot more difficult on this turn. Because I think I cant get much value any more. So I c/c turn, but its always hard to estimate if a player will bluff one or 2 times. Because when I bet flop, c/c turn, my range looks a lot weaker as a bet/bet/bet line obv. So I always struggle with the fact: does he know my range is weak so he has to barrel 2 barrels to fold my hand, because I play my hand pretty faced up.

So what I always do is 3betting a stronger range so I dont get involved as much in these spots and take the bet c/c c/c line sometimes with a very strong hand to see what he does and hopefully get a good read. So next time I can start 3betbluf a hand like Q8s and know much better how to play vs this opponent. Because now I can start bet c/c c/c with Q8s on a board like this, because I know he 2barrel blufs when I check to him.

What are you thoughts?

nemmad, don't forget if you have Q8 here or AA here your hand is still a bluff catcher once you check...so your idea about starting off with a stronger range to avoid spots like these doesn't necessarily help since your hand value is really equivalent. 1pair hands better than 8x are generally not being turned into bluffs here. Even 1 pair hands worse than 8x are generally not being turned into bluffs here by average players (and I even see some good players not doing this)...so the question really becomes how much "air" is there in the average person's range to even bluff here on this turn? If the flop caller didn't have a pair on the flop, he has now either hit a pair or a straight except for the case of 9T (unless we are putting a lot of pure floats like QJ or similar in his range). So 9T becomes the only "legit" hand he can peel the flop with that now doesn't either have 1pair, 2pair, or straight. So now the question is how many combos of 9T is he defending? For sure all of the 9Ts preflop and then depending on how loose he is, you might add in anywhere from 0 to 12 more combos of 9To. Depending on how aggro he is, he might bluff raise some of those on the flop.

All this said, really against most average opponents if you simply c/f this turn, you won't be doing so bad. Against very tough opponents who are turning some hands into bluffs and willing to go for turn/river value with 2pair, it becomes much more difficult...but just recognize that if you have AA it's not much better than having Q8 here, generally speaking.

okay tnx for your reply, I think you only forgot to mention AT and AJ as floats? But those hands are pbb the same as the hands with a pair that are not turned into bluffs.

cant edit anymore, but listened again to the part where I made a comment and heard you and 2fouroffsuit talk about the Ax floats. So no need anymore for a response.