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Never Tell Me the Odds: Episode Twenty-One

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Never Tell Me the Odds: Episode Twenty-One by KRANTZ, FenderJaguar

KRANTZ and FenderJaguar review some of FendeJaguar's play at 4-tables of $2/4 6max NLHE.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 51 minutes long
  • Posted over 2 years ago

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DiggerTheDog

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Good to see u guys back.

FJ and Krantz f the haters.

Season greetings.

Posted over 2 years ago

FenderJaguar

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I was under the weather and cranky when we recorded this vid. Apologies in advance Grin

Posted over 2 years ago

inavacuum

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Do you guys have history with particular opponents where whenever you're at the table with them you play totally differently than you would if you were at the table with other people?



Yes.

Posted over 2 years ago

SpewKid

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Time Link to 00:37:38

Isn't it just the other way round? In spots where you have a lot of bluffs, I don't think betting small and giving your opponent even better odds will force him to make a tough decision.

I really like the format. It's unfortunate that it's hard to read bet sizes.

Posted over 2 years ago

Hielko

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Isn't it just the other way round? In spots where you have a lot of bluffs, I don't think betting small and giving your opponent even better odds will force him to make a tough decision.

I really like the format. It's unfortunate that it's hard to read bet sizes.


Correct. The smaller you bet the less you can bluff.

Posted over 2 years ago

KRANTZ

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Correct. The smaller you bet the less you can bluff.



it's not an either/or situation, it's an it depends situation. if your range is too bluff heavy you can't bet small because you give your opponent very good odds to call. if your range is balanced with many bluffs and value bets you can bet small for the same reason.

Posted over 2 years ago

KRANTZ

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I really like the format. It's unfortunate that it's hard to read bet sizes.



yah it is...

going to come up w something easier to view for the next one, FJ also tells me Skype was boing-ing around left and right, sorry about the background noise :-/

Posted over 2 years ago

Hielko

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it's not an either/or situation, it's an it depends situation. if your range is too bluff heavy you can't bet small because you give your opponent very good odds to call. if your range is balanced with many bluffs and value bets you can bet small for the same reason.


Not really? If you bet half pot a balanced range would contain a max of 25% bluffs otherwise villain would never have to fold. If you would bet full pot a balanced range would contain a max of 33% bluffs. So your range really needs a whole lot of value bets if you also have a lot of bluffs, and you want to bet small.

Posted over 2 years ago

KRANTZ

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Not really? If you bet half pot a balanced range would contain a max of 25% bluffs otherwise villain would never have to fold. If you would bet full pot a balanced range would contain a max of 33% bluffs. So your range really needs a whole lot of value bets if you also have a lot of bluffs, and you want to bet small.



i'm pretty sure we agree on that?

what i am trying to say in the context of this hand is that because most reasonable players are not bluffing the river on this board w/ this action you can't bet small... if you are never bluffing in general then you are surely way more likely to bet large when you bluff than you are to bet small, making it a really easy fold

edit: i def misspoke, i should have said more value bets and not more bluffs at 37:38

Posted over 2 years ago

BeaucoupFish

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You should really have started this series at Episode IV (and make a note of which members ask where are 1-3!)...

Posted over 2 years ago

mesch_pkr

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Wouldn't this be a really good spot for our opponent to bluff both turn and river? Just looks like we might have a hard time with almost our whole range to call two streets.

Great to have you guys back, like the formatSmile

Posted over 2 years ago

KRANTZ

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Wouldn't this be a really good spot for our opponent to bluff both turn and river? Just looks like we might have a hard time with almost our whole range to call two streets.

Great to have you guys back, like the formatSmile



depends on the player who's OOP and calling. there are plenty of fish or good regs who will just check and call down with overpairs, the fish because they are loose passive calling stations and the regs because there just aren't that many sets or 5x in your range (which is what you'd be representing). def need to know thy opponent in a spot like that and be aware of the strongest hands they might fold (not what you think they'll fold, but what they will in practice fold-- there's often a huge difference between the two) as well as what you're credibly representing

Posted over 2 years ago

mesch_pkr

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depends on the player who's OOP and calling. there are plenty of fish or good regs who will just check and call down with overpairs, the fish because they are loose passive calling stations and the regs because there just aren't that many sets or 5x in your range (which is what you'd be representing). def need to know thy opponent in a spot like that and be aware of the strongest hands they might fold (not what you think they'll fold, but what they will in practice fold-- there's often a huge difference between the two) as well as what you're credibly representing



Sure that makes sence, you say that we can call turn and then comfortably fold the river if he bets again. Is this only true against this type of players or can we apply this to any non crazy aggro dude?

Cause if I was in villains spot facing a reg I would probably bet either 0 streets or 2 streets, probably 2 because I expect them to fold even aces on this board facing a two barrel. The guy calling the 3bet can rep this board so much better so wouldn't it be a +EV play turning our whole range into a bluff here? Since I think we make really good money when the 3better cbet -> c/c -> c/f wich I think will happen alot.

Do you see what I mean? It's a pretty unique situation and board so we shouldn't really care about balance if we can get the 3better to fold everything but sets and straights (which aint that many combos, maybe it helps if we know he doesn't 3bet low PPs?)

Atleast I'm gonna try this out when im holding 88 and calling a 3bet and the board runs outs like this, instead of betting turn and then shutting down and losing against JJ Poke Tongue

I'm not saying that you are wrong or that we should call with AA or anything like that, I just wonder if this is a spot where we could exploit all theese regulars playing 8 tables Grin or something like that

You're the man!

Posted over 2 years ago

KRANTZ

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Sure that makes sence, you say that we can call turn and then comfortably fold the river if he bets again. Is this only true against this type of players or can we apply this to any non crazy aggro dude?



would you fold TT-AA facing two barrels? i wouldn't expect anyone to, which is why i advocate folding the river (assuming it goes bet, AI) against an unknown. i think it's a stretch to think they'll auto float and barrel off a stack against your obvious overpair (or turn 88 into a bluff against a strong range while representing a very narrow range)

Posted over 2 years ago



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