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Never Tell Me the Odds: Episode Nineteen

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Never Tell Me the Odds: Episode Nineteen by KRANTZ, FenderJaguar

KRANTZ and FenderJaguar talk about high stakes poker while KRANTZ plays 4-tables.

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  • 51 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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ship_it_holla_balla

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DiggerTheDog

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Good 2 see - that trouble is back in town.

Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

spotDEspot

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I'd like to flop a str8 here.....never tell me the odds.....gotta love it.

How do you get that HUD popup per street with the tabs???

Posted over 1 year ago

terrytightpants

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wow , anyone mind telling me wat kind of hud is that first time seeing it so organized

Posted over 1 year ago

TazUltimate

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mp4 file seems pretty huge



Yeah it's big cause of how KRANTZ recorded the tables, not much I can do about it.
-Rusty

Posted over 1 year ago

nephix

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wow , anyone mind telling me wat kind of hud is that first time seeing it so organized



Looks like PT3 for Mac to me

Posted over 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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Looks like PT3 for Mac to me



indeed it is. my PC passed away this summer.

Posted over 1 year ago

dzejkej

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New episode! Heart

@KRANTZ:

Just an innocent question: You donkbet into "Stacking You" with KHeartTHeart on 9ClubQHeart8Spade (18:55), but check/raised "noluck17" with QSpadeTHeart on 9SpadeKClub6Heart (23:48). Were you just mixing it up or were there any other factors affecting your decision whether to donk or to check/raise?

I have sometimes problem deciding which option to choose and would love to find some hints Smile.

Posted over 1 year ago

FenderJaguar

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Sounds like this gentleman ^^^^ needs some GTO DICE!

Posted over 1 year ago

BoterSmoter

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indeed it is. my PC passed away this summer.


Which one you prefer, PT3 or HEM?

Posted over 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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Which one you prefer, PT3 or HEM?



HEM... I like PT3's standard HUD better, it's much more intuitively organized... but HEM seems much superior for post session analysis. imo.

Posted over 1 year ago

KRANTZ

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New episode! Heart

@KRANTZ:

Just an innocent question: You donkbet into "Stacking You" with KHeartTHeart on 9ClubQHeart8Spade (18:55), but check/raised "noluck17" with QSpadeTHeart on 9SpadeKClub6Heart (23:48). Were you just mixing it up or were there any other factors affecting your decision whether to donk or to check/raise?

I have sometimes problem deciding which option to choose and would love to find some hints Smile.



different opponents call for different strategies. one reason i might c/r noluck and lead into stacking you: noluck cbets too much or stacking you cbets too little.

Posted over 1 year ago

oh-nahhh

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yo dude sick vid...its tight how you did it live and didnt prerecord it and pause every hand and go into like an hour of discussion like some other vids do... hopefully all the next videos that come out follow the lead

one thing i noticed...fender's voice sounded diff in this one i think it was slightly louder and had a diff/weird sound to it and krantz's was softer so it made it kind of awkward at times but who cares foreal just thought id bring it to ur attention or maybe its just my comp

last thing i thought id let u know one thing i noticed...fender talked about pounding the fish yet on table 4 i think during the last 5 mins or so some short dude opens min in mp and u flat a2hh and nobody said anything

whatever sick vid yo tyty

Posted over 1 year ago

weeee7

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u flat a2hh and nobody said anything



They said you should have a wide value range for 3betting the fish (hands like AT, KJ, KT, etc., hands that you don't necessarily reraise in all circumstances). A2s is probably still too weak even in this scenario. Just my two cents.

Posted over 1 year ago

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Time Link to 00:39:13

QJ hand, what value hands do you rep? What's the weakest hand you would do this for value with? To the untrained eye(my eye Smile ) it looks like you would 3bet AQ, QQ, TT and AA always anyway, so that leaves 44 and KJ which you would check/raise on the flop I guess?
Thanks

Posted over 1 year ago

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QJ hand, what value hands do you rep? What's the weakest hand you would do this for value with? To the untrained eye(my eye Smile ) it looks like you would 3bet AQ, QQ, TT and AA always anyway, so that leaves 44 and KJ which you would check/raise on the flop I guess?
Thanks




KJ, 44, TT, 55, AQ, AA, QQ

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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That flop miniraise with 66 on KK9r in a 3-bet pot was pretty bad imo. You state that he is going to fold his air, well no, or at least not very often at all just because you have air here soooo aften and a lot of players have air in your spot 100% of the time. I dont know if you get more credit at 10/20 but if you do this at 3/6 most competent regs are going to do the exact same thing he did and reraise you very small or just call sometimes and win at showdown with like 9x.
Its unclear if you should even have a raising range in that exact spot, calling ur entire continuing range seems to make a lot of sense.

Posted over 1 year ago

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That flop miniraise with 66 on KK9r in a 3-bet pot was pretty bad imo. You state that he is going to fold his air, well no, or at least not very often at all just because you have air here soooo aften and a lot of players have air in your spot 100% of the time. I dont know if you get more credit at 10/20 but if you do this at 3/6 most competent regs are going to do the exact same thing he did and reraise you very small or just call sometimes and win at showdown with like 9x.
Its unclear if you should even have a raising range in that exact spot, calling ur entire continuing range seems to make a lot of sense.



If you have a bluff raising range, you should have a value raising range...

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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You misunderstood my post, I think you should NOT have a bluffraising range here because you dont get any credit and therefore its a loosing bluffraise vs most regs. So you should be flatting all the hands you want to continue with, and you have so much more QJ,JT,AJ,9x,88,66... than Kx here

Posted over 1 year ago

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You misunderstood my post, I think you should NOT have a bluffraising range here because you dont get any credit and therefore its a loosing bluffraise vs most regs. So you should be flatting all the hands you want to continue with, and you have so much more QJ,JT,AJ,9x,88,66... than Kx here



if you have a tight value raising range you can have a bluff range. and i think you should have a value raising range. just think about the paradox in what you're saying - if you don't get any credit with a raise then shouldn't you be raising? at least vs certain opponents, some of the time.

also, remember, you have the option of continuing to bluff if called... despite not getting much credit for raising the flop your opponent will have to look at his 9x or TT or even A high and consider which is the most likely scenario when facing a huge bet later...

Posted over 1 year ago

Ulysses

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Great we're back!

The background noises are really really strange though

Posted over 1 year ago

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DaKaJ

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Well, on a KK9 board, in a 3-bet pot good luck with trying to fold out TT. When you miniraise the flop and get called its very bad spot to continue bluffing.

Sure if you dont get any credit, its going to be super proftible to valueraise, but if you happen to have a K here you will make a lot of money by calling anyways. The point is, on that flop you have a K maybe 1 in 20 times so if you bluff with any kind frequency you have air so much more often than Kx raising that flop, so maybe you win a little more w your Kx but loose more w anything else.
I think overall it's better to call everything you want to continue with here, Kx, pairs, gutshots,9x, A hi, and play the turn.

Posted over 1 year ago

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Well, on a KK9 board, in a 3-bet pot good luck with trying to fold out TT. When you miniraise the flop and get called its very bad spot to continue bluffing.



I agree w the second part of your statement, and I'm not trying to disprove that w my earlier comment about being able to continue bluffing when called. GL indeed trying to fold out TT, right? But what about the air in his range?

Posted over 1 year ago

zazowski

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nice video sir!

A quick question though: why do u bet/fold q9s after 3betting an utg open on the button, on q10x??Shouldnt u be bet calling or taking the check back in this spot.I hope u can clarify the next part, do u think that villain has a check calling range on this flop, as u will probably be firing multiple barrels on this board once villain only flats the flop cbet?cos its not like he s going to be able to check call 10x for example profitably in this spot.Then ur image being barrelhappy isnt villain gonna go into bluffcatching mode here more often?
I feel like a q xx board is gonna get attacked by an aggressive regular in this spot, thats why i dont see the merit of betting this flo with out hand.Hope u can clarify this , I was kinda lost on it.


Thx

And more of KRANTZ,please!!!!!!

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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Well, he is 3-betting the flop very small with quite a bit of his air figuring out you dont have anything. Sure, he will fold air some of the time but risking 400 into 600 you need him to fold 40% of his range to show a profit. I might be wrong but between him actually having something and him rebluffing you with some of his air I really really dont think you get a fold this often.

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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And what would you do here with like QJs JTs AJ ? or even 98s. It's not all that different than 66. I think calling everything is a significantly better strategy than small bluffraising this flop a lot. There are better flops to bluffraise, this one is not one of them.

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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nice video sir!

A quick question though: why do u bet/fold q9s after 3betting an utg open on the button, on q10x??Shouldnt u be bet calling or taking the check back in this spot.I hope u can clarify the next part, do u think that villain has a check calling range on this flop, as u will probably be firing multiple barrels on this board once villain only flats the flop cbet?cos its not like he s going to be able to check call 10x for example profitably in this spot.Then ur image being barrelhappy isnt villain gonna go into bluffcatching mode here more often?
I feel like a q xx board is gonna get attacked by an aggressive regular in this spot, thats why i dont see the merit of betting this flo with out hand.Hope u can clarify this , I was kinda lost on it.



As he sais you bet this for protection and for value as opponent is calling worse hands. When you get raised you are completely crushed by his range, even if he c/r bluff you 1 time in 5. I know I'm guilty of bet getting it in here too often, looking at it thats wrong and once you get c/r its a clear fold.

I dont think youre going to multibarrel that board very often, once he c/c the flop sure there are some Ts that will prolly fold later but he also c/c alot of Qx that are never folding.

Posted over 1 year ago

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I would never bet/3bet shove this flop with q9 in this spot.I dont see the merit of betting to protect our hand when we bet fold the flop, then take sth like 47s and bet fold.I think that villain will attack qxx boards a lot as we only have aq that 3bet for value in this spot.

Posted over 1 year ago

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nice video sir!

A quick question though: why do u bet/fold q9s after 3betting an utg open on the button, on q10x??Shouldnt u be bet calling or taking the check back in this spot.I hope u can clarify the next part, do u think that villain has a check calling range on this flop, as u will probably be firing multiple barrels on this board once villain only flats the flop cbet?cos its not like he s going to be able to check call 10x for example profitably in this spot.Then ur image being barrelhappy isnt villain gonna go into bluffcatching mode here more often?
I feel like a q xx board is gonna get attacked by an aggressive regular in this spot, thats why i dont see the merit of betting this flo with out hand.Hope u can clarify this , I was kinda lost on it.


Thx

And more of KRANTZ,please!!!!!!



can you guys use time stamps? not sure where this hand is...

Posted over 1 year ago

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You're back! I love you guys.



the feeling is mutual, audience!!!

Posted over 1 year ago

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And what would you do here with like QJs JTs AJ ? or even 98s. It's not all that different than 66. I think calling everything is a significantly better strategy than small bluffraising this flop a lot. There are better flops to bluffraise, this one is not one of them.



agree w you on most of your points, except i don't think i am getting rebluffed here close to as often as you think i am

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I would never bet/3bet shove this flop with q9 in this spot.I dont see the merit of betting to protect our hand when we bet fold the flop, then take sth like 47s and bet fold.I think that villain will attack qxx boards a lot as we only have aq that 3bet for value in this spot.



what daka said. even if he bluffs me here ever so often i am crushed by his range. all the hands that he calls with preflop. you can only argue that checking back has a higher EV than betting, and i don't think that's the case against kmoney.

Posted over 1 year ago

zazowski

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how does he balance his check calling range in this spot?Or do u think
it's almost non existant?

Posted over 1 year ago

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how does he balance his check calling range in this spot?Or do u think
it's almost non existant?



he probably just mixes it up, he doesn't have to checkraise every hand every time

Posted over 1 year ago

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Time Link to 00:01:21

you ever CR river with 2 pair?
doesnt he have ace high a ton when he calls turn?

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Time Link to 00:50:23

lol nice river,
just out of curiosity is the turn always a check back or bet call when you have trip jacks?
seems like on the turn you are never bluffing if you bet it, correct?

Posted over 1 year ago

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lol nice river,
just out of curiosity is the turn always a check back or bet call when you have trip jacks?
seems like on the turn you are never bluffing if you bet it, correct?



ya its a check back

Posted over 1 year ago

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you ever CR river with 2 pair?
doesnt he have ace high a ton when he calls turn?



i wouldn't say a ton, i think he can have ace high and when he does i'd rather try to c/r but it's unclear a. if he'd even call a river checkraise and b. if he'd even bet

there is merit to trying to c/r there for sure

Posted over 1 year ago

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i wouldn't say a ton, i think he can have ace high and when he does i'd rather try to c/r but it's unclear a. if he'd even call a river checkraise and b. if he'd even bet

there is merit to trying to c/r there for sure



good stuff

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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how come fender jaguar just doesnt stfu, plz let the master talk

Posted about 1 year ago

FenderJaguar

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because fenderjaguar doesn't stfu. I have this voice overlay pack embedded in my skull and it just keeps running all these voice programs over and over again and I don't have a way to shut it off because I can't get to it. it was this or never talk again so I had to go with that I thought was right at the time.

Posted about 1 year ago

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Time Link to 00:39:34

KJ, 44, TT, 55, AQ, AA, QQ


200bbs+ deep HU you would 3bet most of the hands you listed. at least he will assume you would.

you would probably lead or c-r KJ on the flop A LOT, not to mention sometimes you would 3bet pre or c-r turn given you are deep.

44 also plays faster OOP/deep, 55 is more likely.

he can have all nutty hands in his range, and its not 2008, most 5/10 regs are capable of turning hands into a bluff, and the logic "i cant call so id raise" is very common this days, so its not like you cant have a bluff, moreover if you turn QJ into a bluff you are probably bluffing too much in this spot.

overall pretty sure call>raise, at least against somewhat competent opponent.

Posted 7 months ago

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you would probably lead or c-r KJ on the flop A LOT, not to mention sometimes you would 3bet pre or c-r turn given you are deep.


i mean he would never assume you c-c flop/c-c turn w/ KJ here like ever.

Posted 7 months ago

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Time Link to 00:02:19

regarding overbetting the T7 hand on the top right when the Ace hits on the river, Krantz' argument is that opponent should expect Krantz to be somewhat worried that he hit the Ace and therefore be less likely to bluff, and therefore be much less likely to overbet bluff. But do you really think the guy folds an Ace? If so, why not overbet as a bluff here when you have air?

Posted 27 days ago

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regarding overbetting the T7 hand on the top right when the Ace hits on the river, Krantz' argument is that opponent should expect Krantz to be somewhat worried that he hit the Ace and therefore be less likely to bluff, and therefore be much less likely to overbet bluff. But do you really think the guy folds an Ace? If so, why not overbet as a bluff here when you have air?



think that is a good point. i don't think he would fold an ace. the best argument i can think of for not overbetting here is just that it has to work less often to show a profit

Posted 24 days ago



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