Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by KRANTZ (Mid Stakes)

putting the snapler on him?

I believe that's Snapple'r

Seriously though Jay, could you expand a bit more on your Snapple'r call with A4? When he bets the turn you put him on a bad draw or kings up? And the 8 on the river means what now?

The rest of that video is ... solid gold baby.

Wilt, "free showdown" argument in J7s hand doesn't make much sense. He bets 6 into 12, so instead of calling 6 and looking him up on the river, when you hit a J, you put additional 18 before you hit. I am not in love with semi-bluffing w/o folding equity, but I don't hate it, I guess.

/nitpicking

i could have a small amount of fold equity, I mentioned we don't know exactly what range of hands he bets half pot with there... but even if he has a ten i increase the size of the pot i win the 35% of the time i get there.

i agree the turn raise is debatable, and in-game if i know he has a set of fives, of course i don't raise, but by and large you can get away with making these smallish raises to bloat the pot against a guy who pays off too much on the river... and sometimes to maximize the likelihood he pays off with a 1pair hand, you have to set up the stacks such that he's going to feel committed and often getting him near a pot sized bet will do that... where as if i just flat and the turn the pot is $24 and there's 154 left in stacks, pretty much going to be impossible to get the $ in unless he happens to have one of the few monster combos.

like i said in the video though, if there's a real threat of him coming over the top w/ a sizable range of hands on the turn then flatting is much better as i don't want to get blown off my equity.

WoT

In the first hand where you check A9 on the 88597 river, what is the plan if he bets?

On the 7hJh hand where you decide to raise the turn, isn't this counter-productive against the loose-passive player type? Except for using it as a pot-builder when we hit our draw, aren't loose passives a.) not going to bet without a decent 9 or 10 or better and b.) going to call a raise almost always? It seems like the people with very low AF's (I'm guessing his bet turn is low) wouldn't be taking stabs here nearly as often as a TAG/LAG who bets his whole range when you show weakness. In general I feel we should just take the good price on the turn/not re-open the betting with our draw against this player type.. especially since we're never bluff-raising or betting the river when we miss our 12 outer or whatever (since he's never folding).. I guess I'm thinking it would just suck if he shoves or makes a real raise on the turn with our draw. My thinking is probably flawed, good thing I'm watching the series

marwan, look up a couple posts

WoT

oops didn't read the previous posts, ty

I was wondering how loose passive villains affect your (optimal) opening range.
Should we open more, because they don't 3bet enough or should we open less because we don't have as much fold equity both preflop and on the flop.
I used to tighten my range for those last reasons and start calling more medium strength hands.
However on the video I saw you guys open 65o, 54o I think.
Can you explain this is a little and tell me what is wrong with my strategy?

mattie, essentially what it boils down to is how well you think you can play against him postflop. If you feel like your postflop skills, compared to his, are excellent, then be inclined to open a very wide range of hands against a guy who doesn't 3bet much preflop. it's ok to bloat pots with marginal holdings when you have position and you feel like you can outplay the guy constantly... and by outplay, i dont mean steal tons of pots per se, i mostly mean make more correct calls/folds/bluffs than he will postflop. Having position helps, but the same can apply when you're oop and these loose passive guys limp. I'm a big proponent of raising a fairly wide range of hands when loose/passives limp my button in heads up because I feel like I can read board texture/bet size/hand read/value bet so much better than they can, that it's worth it for me.

The less comfortable you are playing postflop (2 barreling, bluff raising, reading board texture, hand reading in general) the less inclined you should be to open lots of speculative hands, even in position, against loose passive players. There are many ways to skin these cats, and certainly a viable option is simply waiting for strong hands and value bet them to death!

mattie, essentially what it boils down to is how well you think you can play against him postflop. If you feel like your postflop skills, compared to his, are excellent, then be inclined to open a very wide range of hands against a guy who doesn't 3bet much preflop. it's ok to bloat pots with marginal holdings when you have position and you feel like you can outplay the guy constantly... and by outplay, i dont mean steal tons of pots per se, i mostly mean make more correct calls/folds/bluffs than he will postflop. Having position helps, but the same can apply when you're oop and these loose passive guys limp. I'm a big proponent of raising a fairly wide range of hands when loose/passives limp my button in heads up because I feel like I can read board texture/bet size/hand read/value bet so much better than they can, that it's worth it for me.

The less comfortable you are playing postflop (2 barreling, bluff raising, reading board texture, hand reading in general) the less inclined you should be to open lots of speculative hands, even in position, against loose passive players. There are many ways to skin these cats, and certainly a viable option is simply waiting for strong hands and value bet them to death!

Thanks.
Can you explain a bit more in detail why open raising is so much better vs a LP who doesn't 3 bet much, especially when you are OOP?
I understand the use vs most people, especially vs weak-tight players, because you have a lot of Fold Equity, both preflop and on the flop (and later), however vs loose passive guys you don't have that much Fold Equity, because they defend and call cbets so wide.
A benefit I can think of is that the pot gets bigger, which makes the mistakes bigger and if they defend very wide their range is so wide that cbetting is profitable, unless he is the worst calling station.

right, basically we're making bigger pots where on average we'll make better decisions in bigger pots than our loose/passive/donk opponents, so even if we make a slightly -EV raise preflop it allows us to potentially exploit a hugely +EV situation postflop (which could be as simple as flopping middle pair when a guy never folds anything).

I think the key thing to remember is that plays like this aren't as simple as 2 barreling an A on the turn, where when you do it against just about anyone you will auto profit. This pf concept of raising marginal holdings oop and building pots is one that takes a lot of finesse to pull off against guys who won't fold much. Against some people, it won't be +EV... it really depends on how you quantify "won't fold much" and is one of those player/game flow dependent things that's tough to talk about in a vaccuum in a forum post... however if you are good at reading board texture and bet sizing and overall handreading, I feel you can grind them down, tilt them, and prepare them to stack off even lighter once you do finally hit top pair+.

hope that helps
Aaron

KRANTZ: Please speak more clearly, a bit slower and in the same volume like WoT. Wot is much, much better to understand in those videos.

DC has customers with a motherlanguage other than english, too. An alternative for clearly speaking without dialect would be an extra version of the videos with subtitles.

Thanks for your efforts.

My wife said the same thing.

the is some missing audio early in this video

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The whole episode it has been about that players like this can't make thin valuebets,

not sure how the river is going to be played, but now I see this villian betting thirth pair?
Can you say that he was bluffing here or is 'they are not thin value betting' a general assumption you can always take in place untill a certain player has shown you he can?

is this out of sync for anybody else? I've tried downloading the WMV and streaming it but it appears to be the same.

At around 22.05 where Krantz talks about the Jack being a good card to barrel on if we were holding, say T9, I can't really see what you expect to fold here that called the flop other than an unsuited Ace high. I mean he's calling all his flush draws and all his pocket pairs, and any 4x and any 3x. Is it worth betting here just to fold out random unsuited aces that might have called the flop?

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With JQ on 54J88:
I assume you would fold to a river raise against LP villain, right? Would you fold to a turn raise between min and pot?

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"These guys just don't bet the river with the intention of folding." --WiltOnTilt

This is very very very true. At lower limits, even a lot of the tagfish who show strength on the river can't fold to a check-raise. If I have a weird backdoor draw that hits the river, and villain most likely has a *strong* (2 pair+) range, I can often check-raise all-in on the river and get a call, even if it's a huge overbet.

It's a great way to get value when villain has a stronger than average hand... but of course as Wilt says, that also makes it a bad spot to bluff.

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If he bets $60 on the river or pot do you ever call there?

If he bets $60 on the river or pot do you ever call there?

As always it depends but i think you can definitely reason out a call on the river here given 2 flush draws missed and his range for peeling pre and on the flop can be so side (and the turn brings more straight draws). It would be nice to have a previous read that the guy is either capable of turning made hands into bluffs or he doesn't understand showdown value/hand values. Without those reads it becomes a tougher spot because he can definitely have 6x here pretty easily, but he probably doesn't value bet 8x that "big" on the river if he manages to get here with it, and given the number of hands he can have in his range that "could" bluff, i think i'd call first and make a note.

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If the river is an overcard to your nine you're still value betting, correct? If a ten, jack, queen, or king hits then you can safely assume he will call with smaller nines still as well as some fives...I'm guessing. or would u prefer to check since you're out of position (if he were first to act and checked then he is more likely to be weak and less likely to be slowplaying imo).

If the river is an overcard to your nine you're still value betting, correct? If a ten, jack, queen, or king hits then you can safely assume he will call with smaller nines still as well as some fives...I'm guessing. or would u prefer to check since you're out of position (if he were first to act and checked then he is more likely to be weak and less likely to be slowplaying imo).

we'd still value bet all those cards