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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by sthief09 (Micro/Small Stakes)

Looks like alot of work you have put in there Josh nice work, just curious what is a high 4b % for HU, 6mx?

Also there no link to the spreadsheet yet

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Looks like alot of work you have put in there Josh nice work, just curious what is a high 4b % for HU, 6mx?

gorilla math

stats can be misleading when it comes to this type of thing, and one thing I learned is that we don't have much margin for error. in other words, if someone is not 4-bet bluffing that often, it can make a hand as strong as TT -EV. even if we're being optimistic (specifically 6-max), something like KQs is going to be only slightly +EV, though it does carry metagame benefits (either he 4-bets us less, or he opens up his 4-bet/call range).

in 6-max, anything in the teens tends to be a lot, but think of it in context. someone with a 20 PRF 4-betting 15% is going to be bluffing more frequently than someone with a 15 PFR and 4-betting 18%.

another reason stats can be misleading is because for the most part, light 4-bettors are going to 4-bet people for a reason. if you don't 3-bet much from the blinds, then you shouldn't expect to get 4-bet bluffed very often. on the other hand, if you do play aggressively preflop you're going to encounter players who will pound you with 4-bets until you figure out how to adjust.

this is something that may not come up often in 6-max, but when the situation arises you'll know. and now you'll know some of the better hands to be 5-betting, which are incidentally not stuff like ATo or 22 which I believe is the common misconception.

Great vid, would love to see more in this categorie although I guess it's hard to find problems that are mathematical not too hard and at the same time interesting.

super useful stuff...thanks for that

Any chance of getting this in a Open Office formatted file? When I try to open it in Open Office it's crashing everytime.

Great vid, would love to see more in this categorie although I guess it's hard to find problems that are mathematical not too hard and at the same time interesting.

do you have an example of something you might like to see, whether or not it's doable math-wise? just not sure exactly what you mean.

Any chance of getting this in a Open Office formatted file? When I try to open it in Open Office it's crashing everytime.

it's crashing for me also. maybe if I take out the formats, it'll work. I'll see what I can do.

it's crashing for me also. maybe if I take out the formats, it'll work. I'll see what I can do.

It's just too rock n roll for OO.

It's just too rock n roll for OO.

it's just not working. not sure why. I changed it to a .xls from .xlsx and opened in OOC and all the formulas were gone. shoot me an email. either I can let you use it on my comp via TV or I can just change the inputs for you then you can view it in Excel Viewer.

it's just not working. not sure why. I changed it to a .xls from .xlsx and opened in OOC and all the formulas were gone. shoot me an email. either I can let you use it on my comp via TV or I can just change the inputs for you then you can view it in Excel Viewer.

Will do. I'm about to head to Indy (maybe I'll go downtown and watch the Pats lose?) so it'll probably be a few days before I'm up and rolling again.

Looks like it's something that definitely could find a few extra points of EV.

Something I've been thinking about that is just some food for thought...

It looks like KQs does pretty well as a 3-bet/5-bet hand in a low spots, but it also does pretty well as a flatting hand vs wide ranges. It would be hard to know which is more +EV. My thought is the more confident we are that we'll induce a 4-bet bluff, the more it becomes a 3-bet/5-bet hand. The less confident, the more it's a flat hand.

it's just not working. not sure why. I changed it to a .xls from .xlsx and opened in OOC and all the formulas were gone. shoot me an email. either I can let you use it on my comp via TV or I can just change the inputs for you then you can view it in Excel Viewer.

When I exported the .xlsx file to .ods (that is save as -> open document format) I was able to open it in OpenOffice ( I use LibreOffice, a recent fork of OpenOffice, so they are nearly the same). It takes a while though. The problem tab is the "equity calc" tab. When you open the .ods file the program needs to compute the formulas once. The program was not responsible for about 10 min for me (4x3GHz CPU, 64bit Linux, 4GB RAM). After I get rid of the formulas in the two matrizes in the equity calcs i am able to open the file in seconds.

Thx for the video and for sharing the great effort (the first tab in the spreadsheet alone would take me weeks).

Will do. I'm about to head to Indy (maybe I'll go downtown and watch the Pats lose?) so it'll probably be a few days before I'm up and rolling again.

Looks like it's something that definitely could find a few extra points of EV.

Something I've been thinking about that is just some food for thought...

It looks like KQs does pretty well as a 3-bet/5-bet hand in a low spots, but it also does pretty well as a flatting hand vs wide ranges. It would be hard to know which is more +EV. My thought is the more confident we are that we'll induce a 4-bet bluff, the more it becomes a 3-bet/5-bet hand. The less confident, the more it's a flat hand.

Assuming we're OOP at 100bb, it's a 3bet/5bet every time isn't it? AK, AQ, AJs, KQs, 88+ is more or less the standard 5betting range of most HU players fwiw.

Regardless, I think it's extremely dangerous to try to develop reads based on 4bet stats in ring, the convergeance for that stat is ridiculously high.