DjuNKeLL
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I guess the chance of villain bluffing AK on the river might be the turning point of calling be +EV and -EV right? Because now it is set to 10% I believe and is a big portion of villain range. So that could be some kind of key variable, depending on the tendencies of villain (like AFq river)? Although it is probably still hard to assume how often a villain will bluff AK there.
Oh and the EV calculation is played twice in the vid (one where you realized the sheet was wrong and the good sheet).
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3bet vs position stat can be real useful vs shortstakers , i wouldnt be surprised to see him 3betting 20 - 30% vs your btn but very little co vs btn and when we dont have to worry about them calling IP i find sometimes i can open a much wider range in the co. (you just folded J9o with him on btn)
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3bet vs position stat can be real useful vs shortstakers , i wouldnt be surprised to see him 3betting 20 - 30% vs your btn but very little co vs btn and when we dont have to worry about them calling IP i find sometimes i can open a much wider range in the co. (you just folded J9o with him on btn)
Agree that's something we could check and I have it on my HUD, but it takes a long time to converge. From playing with him my read was already that he c-bets OTB a lot.
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I guess the chance of villain bluffing AK on the river might be the turning point of calling be +EV and -EV right? Because now it is set to 10% I believe and is a big portion of villain range. So that could be some kind of key variable, depending on the tendencies of villain (like AFq river)? Although it is probably still hard to assume how often a villain will bluff AK there.
Oh and the EV calculation is played twice in the vid (one where you realized the sheet was wrong and the good sheet).
Yes, I agree. It's tough to estimate how often we think he'll bluff in these spots. I tend to think it's really low, but it look like it doesn't take a lot to make it a call.
@ video error at the end... I'll mention that to Rusty.
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this videos are really good, I`m stuck at 10nl full ring but think the stuff you comment goes for micros too, especially I think Im guilty of always betting TP, anyone got videos to recommend me? I play 10nl full ring.
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Diddy
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Hey threads13,
we should also make a case on the river for hitting our Q in my opinion.
I calculated this by myself and ended up at an EV of ~ $-2.3 with your starting assumptions. If we take this into account, your opponent doesnt have to bluff so much more on the Turn, to make this play an breakeven play.
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Hey threads13,
we should also make a case on the river for hitting our Q in my opinion.
I calculated this by myself and ended up at an EV of ~ $-2.3 with your starting assumptions. If we take this into account, your opponent doesnt have to bluff so much more on the Turn, to make this play an breakeven play.
Best wishes
Diddy
Yes, good point.
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K5 on table #4: How big a portion of villains' ranges do you think pocket pairs are and/or are you trying to get those to fold (probably have to bet the river too then?)
You mean the TAG, right?
I imagine he calls with all of them pre (overcalling and closing the action). He should be very likely to bet the turn with sets, but he may not go for thin value with JJ/TT type hands. I wouldn't be surprised if he c/c's those hands, and other hands similar to them. He almost never checks an A with a fish in the pot and the board kind of wet, so when he c/c's we put him on JJ/TT type hands as most of his range. Before the call I can still have him on stuff like KQ, KJs, 87, etc. I get enough folds just from them since when we are confident he doesn't have an A. He will be c/f'ing the turn a lot here.
I'm fine with firing two once he calls. We can think that we can have thin value this way (although we should probably bet any thin value hand on the flop). If he calls down then we take a note and know that we can get good value when we check at some point in time in the hand. This becomes a really helpful note because we will have a lot of situations that are similar to this come up.
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this videos are really good, I`m stuck at 10nl full ring but think the stuff you comment goes for micros too, especially I think Im guilty of always betting TP, anyone got videos to recommend me? I play 10nl full ring.
Just watch all threads13 videos from the very begging to the end. It helps me alot and improove my game incredibly. GL.
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I don't claim to be good at poker but iso'ing w/ J3s? raising the flop w/ air on an A high 2-tone board v. 2 opponents?? After the intro said we were going to tone down the aggressiveness because our fold equity isn't as good as we thought??? What am I missing here?
Heh, well when you put it that way it sounds kind of bad. 
Let's break down the decisions.
I don't think raising J3s OTB is a problem. Our J3s has plenty of steal equity as it will often flop some draws that can bet a couple streets. Also, villain may XF preflop and will often fold to c-bets on even some somewhat bad board textures. This means we get to c-bet a lot of flops profitably. That is a lot of +EV ways to play the hand. If I were in the CO I'm muck this. But we're OTB and the button is pretty amazing.
Then, something weird happens where we get min-donked into. I effectively treat that like a check where he happened to throw a dollar in the pot. The reason why is the bet is really small so making a raise isn't much more expensive than making a c-bet. Furthermore, this line is often a very weak hand so I expect to get some folds. I think saying that we are raising the flop with air makes it sound more hyper-aggro than what it is.
We almost didn't even raise... we basically just c-bet. So, I just ask myself "is this a +EV cbet?" and I think the answer to that is yes. We squeeze the TAG so it's harder for him to call with less than Ax or a good draw. We have the donker marked with a weak hand. I would expect both player to fold a higher % so I expect to win this pot >33%.
EDIT: FWIW, I think it's actually a good spot for the guy who 3-bet the flop to make a play. I'm obviously not going to do much about it that high of a % with pure air, but it wouldn't be a bad spot because I should have a relatively weak range. I don't know whether he realizes this or not.
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