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Poker Video: MTT/SNG by OMGClayDol (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:35:20

At this point as well as like playing out of the blinds and stealing, should I take into account the downside to playing marginal hands like flopping bottom two or top no kicker and calling off a lot of chips that you wouldn't have with a tighter range. This may seem like a nitty question, it just seems like I find myself in this position a lot. Thanks.

Yeah I mean everything is considered, it's definitely possible we could get coolered or just flop a piece + villain flops better but the pros outweigh the cons imo. Of course it's villain dependent but I think we can also get away from some "strong" hands sometimes, for example if a guy who is like 9/7 over 50 hands raises my c-bet on Q72 and I have Q3s, I might just fold as even though he doesn't rep much this type of player is basically never bluffing and I don't beat his value range. I wouldn't worry though; I'm not saying we should be actively thinking about folding our top pair or something but basically point being you don't have to call off a big raise or something necessarily.

I really appreciate the things u teach on his video! The calculations with the calculator and pokerstove with various outcomes in different situations and with the calculated amount of bb’s won if called- just amazing. I don’t mind that the hand review takes over 3 videos long. I actually pause the video each time u ask Hadoque ‘what would u do in this spot’ or ‘ what would be ur calling range on this point’ etc. These things really opened my eyes. Right now I’m winning regularly and I hope this is not variance…

Haha great, thanks a lot - appreciate the compliments! Best wishes and gl, let me know if you have any questions in the future at anytime

I feel offended by the 4.5bb utg shoving range you gave me.

Haha, sorry. I assume you mean you shove significantly wider. Most regs probably do but unless I specifically know a certain player -will- shove a certain range in spots like that (seen showdowns, or something) I generally lean towards a (too?) conservative range when making estimates.

btw I think your second series is not nearly as good as the first one. Maybe it's the student/mentor concept but you just seem to waste a lot of time going over standard spots your student (and everyone who plays 180s on regular basis or watched the first series) is familiar with for 20 min where 2 would do it.
Hope quality goes up again, atm the vids are not worth the watch imo.

Thanks for the comments - yeah fair enough. Would be interested to see what others think as I've actively tried to cover some spots in "more depth" - trying to talk about some other alternative/non-standard lines etc, where applicable. I guess how useful this series/if it's worth watching also depends a lot on what your personal skill level currently is too. "Established" regs and stuff would probably benefit less than guys who are newer and of course I expect a second series to be marginally less benefitial (although still hopefully benefitial) to all players overall anyway.

Is there anything in particular you would like to see? (Other than going over more standard/common spots faster). Will do what I can - like I said, would love others to comment too, I won't take anything personally etc so feel free to be honest etc.

Gl

Well I just think the more spots the better. You're probably right that more experienced players won't find a lot of spots really interesting. And liveplay is always easier to watch and follow imo.

Sorry had very little internet the last few days! Thanks for the feedback again, will definitely try take into consideration what you said, let me know if you have any questions or comments at anytime, gl

Dont know how to make 'time link' but im really interested in hand 1:19 - the twos.
Firstly i was - woooow i've made so many mistakes in past insta calling this versus as aggro regs like derlude etc. Bu t after that i've opened stove and :
vs 40% steal (i think he's pushing there even wider but nvm) we have 46,6%
vs 30% steal (which is ridiculus for derlude here) we have 45,%

as replayer says, we need about 42% to call.. so I really dont know why we insta fold this and thinking about 55 only? I'm really interested, what am I missing

about series and topics: firstly I want to say really thank you man, your previous series made me I think v. good winning reg (its a topic for a long conversation, because I've just discovered sth sad for me ... I'm at 60% roi @ 3r, 3% roi @ 8s, and around -10%roi@ 15s .... I explain to myself its just variance.. but what do you think, is it possible to be that good at 3r and that suck at others 180s ? not sure, would love to hear you opinion - samples are about 2k games per stake)

so : less hand histories with other players (im saying about going thru whole tourney of 1 player), maybe a film, where you analize a single hands from DC users ?

Well the 3rs you should have a higher roi because it's deeper so therefore in general you should have a bigger edge. That being said it still could be variance even with that sample size. I did consider doing a video looking through 2p2 and DC hands but I don't think there will be enough. Perhaps you could consider a single hour of coaching or something just to see if it's just variance or whatever, you should get something else out of it anyway. Gl, and let me know if you have any questions at all

Did you get the time wrong? We are looking at sharkscope at 1.19

The hand im talkin about is on 1:19:00 , at the end of the video, not at the beggining

Are you offering coaching? I would be really interested

Also I have really no idea how to use EdgeC in sng wizard, could you explain it please in your further video?

Oh that hand, well SB and BB can occasionally overcall with better hands (esp higher pairs) and that significantly reduces our equity.. That is why we can call in the BB with 22 (even ignoring the discount of the BB) but we shoudn't really iso 22. I do coach add omgclaydol on skype if you are interested.

Will talk about cEV shortly, could type it but I'll put it in next vid so everyone can see

I don't really remember the top 0.56% much because I watched it like 6 months ago. But I do know that I wasn't really making money back then and I had a nice little 40% ROI $30/hour heater yesterday at the $2.50 after watching the first 2 episodes
And I do like how you go more in depth with pokerstove. I'm used to looking it up in SNG wizard (mark the hands that I'm not sure of and "analyze in SNG wizard") just to know the ranges I should be calling/pushing with without really knowing why or the math behind it.

Good series!

Haha thanks man

Hi Rui,
I am coming to the 180s from experience in the STT arena and there have been many useful tips/spots in the vids so far. One of my needed adjustments is learning to call wider in the BB - in STTs there is usually a sizable ICM adjustment and I now have to develop a more chip ev call range. The J3s hand (time from about 7:30 'till late ) is quite an interesting one. As you state a decent reg would easily be shoving 70%/80% or so from the Btn and you did notice this but started with saying "obviously a fold" then give a great explanation to the ranges and it is actually a call versus decent regs. J3s vs 70% range is about 42%, it is still a call against any half decent or loose player, it's about chip break even upto about a 50% range.
So this is the type of spot I think I need to get closer on, so thanks for the explanation. I think I will try a few SnGWiz quizzes as practice on these BB calls.

At 43:00 PokerStove was taking a long time to enumerate the results, at these points you can just switch to Monte Carlo mode and do a few million in a couple of secs, it gets close enough really fast, 2 or 3 secs should do, remember to hit stop sometime or it continues forever. It is still good to mutl-table stove though.

This looks like another great series - thanks.

Yeah there is a huge difference in 9-man calling ranges in the BB vs. 180-man calling ranges in the BB, mainly because of ICM (BTN shoves tighter, BB has to call tighter too) and antes later (BTN shoves wider due to more dead money, BB can call wider because it's cEV mostly, and because BTN is shoving a wider range, and because there is more dead money creating better pot odds)

Thanks for the positive feedback, appreciate it btw. Had no idea about Monte Carlo mode, what difference does it make?

Thanks for the positive feedback, appreciate it btw. Had no idea about Monte Carlo mode, what difference does it make?

Instead of enumerating every possible combination and then calculating the chances of each the s/w just repeatidly randomly plays out cards and keeps track of the outcomes. This m-c way is not absolutely exact but within a few million it is just about perfect, you can see the % stabilise and this happens very very quickly ie, within 10 secs you are probably within 3 decimal places of the true result.

Hi! Great Vid It really helped me. Simple question, I'm rolled for 2.50 180 mans and i've watched your videos and reviewed my sessions but i'm currently on a 20BI downswing. I feel for the most part i've been unlucky, busting AK>KQ and losing flips but should I consider this variance or should I stop playing and try to relearn the game. Was very confident in my game before this D/s but no cashes what so ever worries me.

Thanks
Squid

Hey a 20BI downswing is super super super standard (don't mean this in a rude way at all) and even 100BI+ downswings are beyond standard. Unless you meant 200? It really depends on what your sample size is and your general financial situation too, depending on if you should move up/take shots and such.

No i meant a 20BI downswing. I have managed to hit an upswing now so all is good. Thanks for the response and for brilliant videos!

Time Link to 00:40:43

What does Nash say here to shove when your M=2?

Time Link to 00:40:37

According to Nash you should only shove 31.5% so i think the shoving range you put those regs on is way to loose. I mean its a huge difference like 20% so its an important concept to get this right.
I see why you should push tighter since you will be looked up so often, but than again you might say that this is not the case and people are way to tight to call you in that spot as Nash is suggesting.

sometiems nash ranges are so off cev or icm wise cause peopel calling ranges are usually much tighter than unexploitable ranges

Time Link to 01:00:31

If he is folding that much (70%) you can easily 2.5x him with a wide range of hands when 20bb deep. Why not consider that line?

Time Link to 00:54:22

we have like 15 bb
can you maybe do the cEV calculation here? (like we lose X percentage of time # BB, and and... and solution is + or - BB)
I understand the math behind al these calculations, have programs to do this. but I want to able to do i manually but always missing something I think and dont get the right solutions. and having this calculation with the solution would be very helpfull

Time Link to 01:10:15

also good example of cEV calculation, but not capable of doing calculations myself

Time Link to 00:26:31

i think this analysis with 22 is great and so informative. your videos really are so good!