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Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Deepsquat (Mid Stakes)

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Oh hai stakes ballurrr

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It might be too light but I think I'd rather c/c the turn with Q8 here rather then c/r semi-b it just because I don't know if there are any hands that we are behind that'll bet the turn and fold. I don't know I'm just not sure that if A8 or K9 bet the turn here that they'll fold dry rivers so if I were to c/r the turn and I'm called I think I prefer chking all rivers - and then we can re-c/r on the good one (i.e 9) and c/c a Q which I'd hate to be raised on if I lead the river, plus he may well turn a small pp or weak Ax into a bluff if chkd to on these high card rivers . The K might be a good card to lead on though if just to make him fold weak pps and Ax though it'll fill in some draws / Kx for him. I think many Kx hands though may call a final bet on an A riv, not sure.

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Nice play on table 2. Hats off to you sir.

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Yeh I agree that it's probably a call on table 2, a lot of people get confidence issues with vbetting an A here, though I don't think they should. Having said that though I think many people will still pause for just a moment to think on the river before betting their A's so when he snap bets the river it looks a lot like something very strong or complete bollocks to me.

It might be too light but I think I'd rather c/c the turn with Q8 here rather then c/r semi-b it just because I don't know if there are any hands that we are behind that'll bet the turn and fold. I don't know I'm just not sure that if A8 or K9 bet the turn here that they'll fold dry rivers so if I were to c/r the turn and I'm called I think I prefer chking all rivers - and then we can re-c/r on the good one (i.e 9) and c/c a Q which I'd hate to be raised on if I lead the river, plus he may well turn a small pp or weak Ax into a bluff if chkd to on these high card rivers . The K might be a good card to lead on though if just to make him fold weak pps and Ax though it'll fill in some draws / Kx for him. I think many Kx hands though may call a final bet on an A riv, not sure.

I think its probably too light to c/c w/out a read but its close. Are we going to SD UI on brick T+R?

I think we need to think beyond just what villain may bet the turn with that we are behind and think about our own range and what we want to do with certain parts of it. Obv we need to consider whats in villains range too.

The problem is, all the options on this turn are bad for us being oop. We cant b/c imo, c/f sux so does b/3b, c/c is not ideal as we cant really sd ui and we risk getting bluffed off our hand. So this hand fits into the the part of our range that benefits or wants the turn to get checked through. I also feel this is the part of our range we should start looking for a cr.

The benfefits of cbetting just arent there as much as they would be with say a hand like 87s for.ex.
Im not saying we cr 100% of the time, but these are the kind of hands we should be putting into our "bluff" range.

Any FE we may have from betting the turn we will still retain with a cr and in most cases we avoid being bluff raised by a worse hand, so there are some definite positives. We are going to fold out alot of his bluffs that would cause us to c/f which and occasionally we fold a better hand. Id be checking the majority of rivs if he calls the turn cr fwiw.

Its the best of a shitty scenario. Remember, some of the times we will hit on the riv too

Yeh I agree that it's probably a call on table 2, a lot of people get confidence issues with vbetting an A here, though I don't think they should. Having said that though I think many people will still pause for just a moment to think on the river before betting their A's so when he snap bets the river it looks a lot like something very strong or complete bollocks to me.

Totally agree mate

Time Link to 00:40:51

You raise a limper and an overlimper with 87s OTB, I think this could be worth some discussion... you were hovering over call also (which would be my default). I'm thinking this will be 4-handed so often that I'd actually like to have something stronger to raise with, now you have neither equity edge nor anything showdownable.

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CR river (not that it's the first though in my mind game time)? The 7 and the clubs should look pretty scary to him if he's valuebetting light and you have a pretty good hand for the move.

I don't see people betting their 8's or especially worse pairs here too often... the only bluff hands that would make sense are KT/QT/65 and does he 3! all of those pre? Also, if villain does bet 99+ here for value he's also going to be able to bluff most of his air and you can't do anything about that.

I don't think it's an especially bad fold, it's going to be close either way. Obv with a very barrely read against a weak valuebettor or more info about his 3! preflop range things could change.

The timing tell mentioned above was kind of interesting... but to counterargument that, I think that also removes some of his bluffs from the equation. I mean, would he be snap barreling KT without seeing what the river brings?

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What about folding to this turn raise right away (table 2)? I'd rather take a calldown line with any Ace or King than the Sevens. He could possibly have 66-33 with a club and plan a FSR but that's not a big part of his range. When he actually has a hand you have 0-4 outs, maybe 2 is a good average. And if he's semibluffing even the three Jacks put him ahead of you.

You raise a limper and an overlimper with 87s OTB, I think this could be worth some discussion... you were hovering over call also (which would be my default). I'm thinking this will be 4-handed so often that I'd actually like to have something stronger to raise with, now you have neither equity edge nor anything showdownable.

I think it is definately worth discussion. I havent really nailed down this spot as it doesnt come up often for me. Old school thinking used to be that we can raise suited connectors and suited Ax and prob overlimp with one-gappers.

If i dont think im going to get 3b and opponents are poor or foldy then raising may be better. If its likely to get raised or I have no FE postflop then prob overcalling is good.

I think its a spot that doesnt get discussed much these days.

What are your thoughts?

What about 98s or A5s?

CR river (not that it's the first though in my mind game time)? The 7 and the clubs should look pretty scary to him if he's valuebetting light and you have a pretty good hand for the move.

I don't see people betting their 8's or especially worse pairs here too often... the only bluff hands that would make sense are KT/QT/65 and does he 3! all of those pre? Also, if villain does bet 99+ here for value he's also going to be able to bluff most of his air and you can't do anything about that.

I don't think it's an especially bad fold, it's going to be close either way. Obv with a very barrely read against a weak valuebettor or more info about his 3! preflop range things could change.

The timing tell mentioned above was kind of interesting... but to counterargument that, I think that also removes some of his bluffs from the equation. I mean, would he be snap barreling KT without seeing what the river brings?

Def interesting, i didnt consider a bluff raise. I think generally the top of our folding range is good for this (and that hand fits that description at the time) and looking at the board now, its really hard for us to be bluffing.

I like

What about folding to this turn raise right away (table 2)? I'd rather take a calldown line with any Ace or King than the Sevens. He could possibly have 66-33 with a club and plan a FSR but that's not a big part of his range. When he actually has a hand you have 0-4 outs, maybe 2 is a good average. And if he's semibluffing even the three Jacks put him ahead of you.

Its pretty gross spot.

I think we need to be clear about what rivs we are prepared to call. We cant call a club, a 9,T,Q

Ill have a think about it a bit more but folding is probably a good plan tbh

What about 98s or A5s?

Yeah it's pretty rare online 6max, not going to make a big difference overall.

I think I'm raising there with JTs, no real theory behind that except for the couple of extra percantage points of equity (it's pretty much going to be break even or sligtly better against any number of players and ranges that do not start back capping preflop). I just feel that there's not going to be much use of fold equity when it's going to be 4+ handed 90% of the time.

The weak Axs hands have a bit more equity but playability is much worse, I generally overlimp a lot with those. When the A hits I don't want to have any extra fold equity

I guess the more experienced full ring players should chime in.

Just wanted to say I like your videos and reasoning/thought processes a lot. Especially liked the parts about coldcalling.

Just wanted to say I like your videos and reasoning/thought processes a lot. Especially liked the parts about coldcalling.

TYTY for the nice feedback, very much appreciated

Time Link to 00:35:13

Table 1 (Top Left): I think I understand the merits to not 3-betting out of the big blind vs a small blind open, but I don't understand why we're employing this strategy against a bad maniac style opponent. Seems like these are the type of opponents where we're sacrificing too much preflop by not 3-betting.

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Table 3 (Bottom Left): Not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of checking my entire range on this 4 flush turn. I really hate the idea of giving free cards to hands like AJ no club. I guess if we think we can induce bluffs from all his no pair/no flush hands checking becomes a lot better, but I'm not really sure that is always the case.

Table 1 (Top Left): I think I understand the merits to not 3-betting out of the big blind vs a small blind open, but I don't understand why we're employing this strategy against a bad maniac style opponent. Seems like these are the type of opponents where we're sacrificing too much preflop by not 3-betting.

Hey mate, sorry didnt see all these posts until BBB told me!

Yeah, vs a maniac we should 3bet if we think he will cap pf or go nuts vs a 3b.

If hes not going to cap light and will cbet every flop then we dont really lose much, and in fact may benefit if he is an awful hand reader.

Its a good point, and if we dont know the answer, we should just 3b. I dont think it makes a massive difference vs bad players unless they are likley to spew like u said

Table 3 (Bottom Left): Not sure I'm comfortable with the idea of checking my entire range on this 4 flush turn. I really hate the idea of giving free cards to hands like AJ no club. I guess if we think we can induce bluffs from all his no pair/no flush hands checking becomes a lot better, but I'm not really sure that is always the case.

Yep, in hindsight i agree.

I think we should bet all our good hands, i mean not betting NF is bad. I think we should have some weak clubs in our range to c/c with. Im going to have a think about how best to construct a betting range on this turn and get back to u